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Old 17-09-2020, 21:43   #561
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Old 17-09-2020, 21:48   #562
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Old 17-09-2020, 22:32   #563
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Old 17-09-2020, 22:43   #564
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Thing samu haters have to realize is he isn’t meant to be that flashy, goal scoring hybrid wide forward. He’s a midfielder, while rebic and Leao are forwards, even if they play opposite each other in the formation.

Now I’m not saying Samu was great today, and I’m not saying he isn’t a player we should consider upgrading. But while Leao and Rebic are judged on their dribbles, assists and goals, you can’t compare that to Samu. He is a midfielder, and the stats he puts up are far less flashy, chances created, key passes, crosses completed, ball recoveries, pass success. And he does actually a lot better at those than people realize. Today I was disappointed with him because I thought a player with his skill and speed couldn’t beat his man enough, he was too weak. I’ll never get why he doesn’t add some mass to his frame. But even then, he put some dangerous balls in the box, his pressing forced some errors and won the ball back a few times I noticed, and he’s good at winning fouls under pressure. He also comes into the midfield to help overload the central positions, something which allows Theo and Rebic to stay closer to the box. Less flashy stats but important still.

If people want some kind of RW similar to rebic or Leao on the field, it probably means dropping a CAM and going more of a 433, as the two center mids we play now will he caught out every match. And that’s something we should avoid. Samu is not a great player, but he is a good one. He is much less of a problem then several of the other players we’ve had that people like to shit on. And if Maldini wants an upgrade at RW, it has to be someone who can do what Samu does(but better).
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Old 17-09-2020, 23:11   #565
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This was not Tonali debut. I claim debut in serie a game when one plays more then 20 min. The rest is nothing.


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Old 17-09-2020, 23:32   #566
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Thing samu haters have to realize is he isn?t meant to be that flashy, goal scoring hybrid wide forward. He?s a midfielder, while rebic and Leao are forwards, even if they play opposite each other in the formation.

Now I?m not saying Samu was great today, and I?m not saying he isn?t a player we should consider upgrading. But while Leao and Rebic are judged on their dribbles, assists and goals, you can?t compare that to Samu. He is a midfielder, and the stats he puts up are far less flashy, chances created, key passes, crosses completed, ball recoveries, pass success. And he does actually a lot better at those than people realize. Today I was disappointed with him because I thought a player with his skill and speed couldn?t beat his man enough, he was too weak. I?ll never get why he doesn?t add some mass to his frame. But even then, he put some dangerous balls in the box, his pressing forced some errors and won the ball back a few times I noticed, and he?s good at winning fouls under pressure. He also comes into the midfield to help overload the central positions, something which allows Theo and Rebic to stay closer to the box. Less flashy stats but important still.

If people want some kind of RW similar to rebic or Leao on the field, it probably means dropping a CAM and going more of a 433, as the two center mids we play now will he caught out every match. And that?s something we should avoid. Samu is not a great player, but he is a good one. He is much less of a problem then several of the other players we?ve had that people like to shit on. And if Maldini wants an upgrade at RW, it has to be someone who can do what Samu does(but better).
Samu was terrible. Hakan would have played better than him in the RW, maybe Paqueta too. They are midfielders too.

Samu was shit, don't try to support him.
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Old 17-09-2020, 23:43   #567
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Not sure if some here are just bad at trolling or overreact a bit much.

Tonali had 8 minutes to run around the field in a new team, in a new formation, and not do anything stupid. Would it have been nice if he assisted and scored a goal? Ja, sure. However, the game was already won. He will have time to ease into the starting 11.

Overall, the team played well considering it's the first competitive game and we were missing a few starters and/or first-choice subs.

The areas needing upgrade in quality were, and are, obvious. However, everyone (including those who we think should be upgraded) worked hard on and off the ball. You can't take that away from them. Even Hakan was spent before the sub but still scored a goal.

2 goal win away with a clean sheet. On to the next one.
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Old 17-09-2020, 23:45   #568
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Thing samu haters have to realize is he isn?t meant to be that flashy, goal scoring hybrid wide forward. He?s a midfielder, while rebic and Leao are forwards, even if they play opposite each other in the formation.

Now I?m not saying Samu was great today, and I?m not saying he isn?t a player we should consider upgrading. But while Leao and Rebic are judged on their dribbles, assists and goals, you can?t compare that to Samu. He is a midfielder, and the stats he puts up are far less flashy, chances created, key passes, crosses completed, ball recoveries, pass success. And he does actually a lot better at those than people realize. Today I was disappointed with him because I thought a player with his skill and speed couldn?t beat his man enough, he was too weak. I?ll never get why he doesn?t add some mass to his frame. But even then, he put some dangerous balls in the box, his pressing forced some errors and won the ball back a few times I noticed, and he?s good at winning fouls under pressure. He also comes into the midfield to help overload the central positions, something which allows Theo and Rebic to stay closer to the box. Less flashy stats but important still.

If people want some kind of RW similar to rebic or Leao on the field, it probably means dropping a CAM and going more of a 433, as the two center mids we play now will he caught out every match. And that?s something we should avoid. Samu is not a great player, but he is a good one. He is much less of a problem then several of the other players we?ve had that people like to shit on. And if Maldini wants an upgrade at RW, it has to be someone who can do what Samu does(but better).
Thats why we want chiesa
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Old 18-09-2020, 00:03   #569
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el qualifications would be good place to play leao... its sad he isnt available
also - would laxalt be really worse than saele tonight??


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Old 18-09-2020, 01:03   #570
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We've lost a bit of the intensity we've had in the high press last 12 games of the past season. We were jogging towards their players this game. In the league we were immediately sprinting towards the player with the ball and closing down the space around him. Hopefully we're just rusy and we get there again.
I haven't followed this thread but surely most doesn't agree with this?

Although the opponent is a weaker team it remained an important game against a physical side as well as our first game. I felt like the way we pressed made them barely ever get a the chance to look like anything other than a local pub club.

Proud of everyone's effort in the team. I find myself thinking less about individual performances when the action on the pitch is more seen as the machinery of one big unit. This is also the way forward when it comes to general evaluation and development. Proud and happy that Pioli and the management seem to recognize this more than anyone.


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Old 18-09-2020, 01:06   #571
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And I must say that I really love this team. It has a lot of sympathetic characters, potential and desire


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Old 18-09-2020, 02:16   #572
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Only bad thing was I couldnt watch on the app - luckily I had my laptop at work so Pingu was MoTM as usual

Samu was disappointing today because the opposition was subpar. I think Saelemakers was actually OK and shouldve scored - he did enough useful things for my liking.

I know Samu will be better but RW really screams for an upgrade even though I dont prefer Chiesa
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Old 18-09-2020, 04:27   #573
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Samu needs to eat more.

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Old 18-09-2020, 05:10   #574
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Calabria is a much better player now

that shot on the 2nd half were quite precise for RB


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Old 18-09-2020, 07:13   #575
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Old 18-09-2020, 09:19   #576
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Thing samu haters have to realize is he isn?t meant to be that flashy, goal scoring hybrid wide forward. He?s a midfielder, while rebic and Leao are forwards, even if they play opposite each other in the formation.

Now I?m not saying Samu was great today, and I?m not saying he isn?t a player we should consider upgrading. But while Leao and Rebic are judged on their dribbles, assists and goals, you can?t compare that to Samu. He is a midfielder, and the stats he puts up are far less flashy, chances created, key passes, crosses completed, ball recoveries, pass success. And he does actually a lot better at those than people realize. Today I was disappointed with him because I thought a player with his skill and speed couldn?t beat his man enough, he was too weak. I?ll never get why he doesn?t add some mass to his frame. But even then, he put some dangerous balls in the box, his pressing forced some errors and won the ball back a few times I noticed, and he?s good at winning fouls under pressure. He also comes into the midfield to help overload the central positions, something which allows Theo and Rebic to stay closer to the box. Less flashy stats but important still.

If people want some kind of RW similar to rebic or Leao on the field, it probably means dropping a CAM and going more of a 433, as the two center mids we play now will he caught out every match. And that?s something we should avoid. Samu is not a great player, but he is a good one. He is much less of a problem then several of the other players we?ve had that people like to shit on. And if Maldini wants an upgrade at RW, it has to be someone who can do what Samu does(but better).
The problem with Samu is how ineffective he is in utilizing situations. Even when he finds himself with an isolated defender, he is incapable of bearing his man. This results in wasted opportunities and slowing our team down.

I?ve never seen a supposedly ?fast? winger unable to ever get past anybody

Also due to his lack of goals or assists, if our other forwards hit a goal drought, we can?t even hope for him to pick up any slack.

He does press well and chase down balls and has a high work rate.

But our RW has to have more and when we start running into quality opposition, the weakness of our right could get more glaring
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Old 18-09-2020, 09:33   #577
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Didn't get to see the game, but I'm glad we started with a win.

Really hope we qualify for EL, on to the next one!


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Old 18-09-2020, 12:58   #578
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Calabria has been really good so far, top 3-4 performers yesterday.
I wouldn't waste money on upgrading RB unless we can get rid of Conti. Otherwise I?d put trust in Calabria and, with a longer time period in mind, Kalulu.


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el qualifications would be good place to play leao... its sad he isnt available
also - would laxalt be really worse than saele tonight??
I don?t see what should be that bad about Saele yesterday, he was a bit rusty but moved and thought well and got an assist.
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Old 18-09-2020, 16:44   #580
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Thing samu haters have to realize is he isn?t meant to be that flashy, goal scoring hybrid wide forward. He?s a midfielder, while rebic and Leao are forwards, even if they play opposite each other in the formation.

Now I?m not saying Samu was great today, and I?m not saying he isn?t a player we should consider upgrading. But while Leao and Rebic are judged on their dribbles, assists and goals, you can?t compare that to Samu. He is a midfielder, and the stats he puts up are far less flashy, chances created, key passes, crosses completed, ball recoveries, pass success. And he does actually a lot better at those than people realize. Today I was disappointed with him because I thought a player with his skill and speed couldn?t beat his man enough, he was too weak. I?ll never get why he doesn?t add some mass to his frame. But even then, he put some dangerous balls in the box, his pressing forced some errors and won the ball back a few times I noticed, and he?s good at winning fouls under pressure. He also comes into the midfield to help overload the central positions, something which allows Theo and Rebic to stay closer to the box. Less flashy stats but important still.

If people want some kind of RW similar to rebic or Leao on the field, it probably means dropping a CAM and going more of a 433, as the two center mids we play now will he caught out every match. And that?s something we should avoid. Samu is not a great player, but he is a good one. He is much less of a problem then several of the other players we?ve had that people like to shit on. And if Maldini wants an upgrade at RW, it has to be someone who can do what Samu does(but better).
A lot of truth in this


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