The Red & Black Forums | An AC Milan Community The Red & Black Forums | An AC Milan Community The Red & Black Forums | An AC Milan Community

Go Back   The Red & Black Forums > AC Milan > AC Milan Transfers

AC Milan Transfers Everything related to AC Milan's transfer market goes in here. AC Milan rumours, dream signings and more.



View Poll Results: Who should lead Milan's attack in 17/18 ?
Aubameyang 88 39.82%
Diego Costa (year-long loan/buy) 31 14.03%
Belotti 56 25.34%
Kalinic 14 6.33%
Cristiano Ronaldo (CL pre-agreement) 23 10.41%
Other 9 4.07%
Voters: 221. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 19-09-2017, 14:13   #23241
SuperP
World Cup Winner
 
SuperP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Default `

Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruda View Post
thats the opinion of the 750k compared to the 15 million fan boys


ffs PES gameplay hasnt changed since Winning eleven 4


So Despacito is the best song ever? Popular ≠ better.
SuperP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-09-2017, 14:15   #23242
Jasper
Maldini tier
 
Jasper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Mt. Paektu
Fav. Players: 3; Marat Safin; Tiziano Crudeli; 2Pac; Christian Bale; Martin M??rsepp; Mario Balotelli
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thenebra View Post
AC Milan won’t finish top four’

No secret Mino Raiola is not on good terms with AC Milan executives, especially the rossoneri director of football Massimiliano Mirabelli. The Italian agent has already revealed that he doesn’t believe in the project of the diavoli and Raiola’s brother Enzo has pretty much confirmed Mino’s view.

Enzo is also a football players’ agent and he is the formal representatives of some of Mino’s clients.

Talking to Areanapoli.it, Enzo Raiola said he doesn’t believe AC Milan finish top four this season.

“I like Napoli but I honestly think Juventus are still ahead. Inter play no European games during the week and that could be an advantage for them. I think the actual table reflects the value of clubs. I think Juve, Napoli, Inter and Roma. If I’d think with my heard I’d say Napoli will finish first.

AC Milan spent over € 220 million last summer to acquire 11 new players. The rossoneri also managed to reach an agreement for the contract extension of Raiola's client Gigio Donnarumma who is now on a € 6 million-a-year at the San Siro.
Go To Comments
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Seriously what is the logic of this guy?
Competition is tough. I like to hear doubters. Should be nailed in the dressing room.


Signature
Must follow tumblr - http://milanpeaboss.tumblr.com/

Jasper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-09-2017, 14:17   #23243
SuperP
World Cup Winner
 
SuperP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Default

I'm starting to like the rotation. It keeps everyone on their toes and keeps players fit in case of injuries.
SuperP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-09-2017, 14:19   #23244
ROSSONERI7
National Team Player
 
ROSSONERI7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: New York
Default

Why are some reacting to the suggestion of selling bonaventura to reinforce the midfield with someone who is actually a midfielder with the right characteristics needed for the role as if it was a sin worthy of capital punishment?



1. gotta be pragmatic sometimes. no one is questioning Bonaventura's talent. it's just a matter of fit. i think (hope) we definitively embraced the 3 5 2 (with some variation of it).
where does he fit? the type of midfielder needed to make the midfield 3 function with fluidity is not Bonaventura. with Biglia and Kessie cementing their place at their role, the 3rd had to be the one picking out runs of the forwards, especially that we now have forwards making smart runs. Hakan has shown he can do that and surprisingly working hard without the ball as well.
he does not have the vision to spot the runs, and doesn't even have the presence of mind to pass during counters, his instincts is to run with the ball. well the ball gets much faster in front of the opponent goal when sent rather than when carried there.

we saw that in europa league with those assists from Hakan. Bonventura would have not have those instincts to slip those balls forwards.

There are a lot of games and Bonaventura will get his chances and will probably score some goals and shine as he used to when he regains his fitness.
but for the team play, especially when going agaisnt worthy opponent, it'll better to have a central midfielder that does central midfield stuff rather than hope for Jack's moments of brilliance

sure, there are worst players in midfield in the squad but no one has any value that would allow us to invest into a proper midfielder to actually add real value to the squad.
he is 28, perfect time to able to get a good sum for him to REINFORCE THE TEAM (that's the goal, isn't it?)

that's why i'm happy that the club is owned by people that see the club as a business, and i hope they will make decisions that make sense.
a Gabbiadini type of deal from a premiership side would yield a decent sum.
hopefully, we're not gonna let players value go to Zero anymore, even Real Madrid Sell players to reinforce their team.



2.
Quote:
Originally Posted by milanator View Post
he is also an italian high-profile identification player. Selling him makes you look bad.
i disagree with this. sure he is considered a good player by italians but his God-like Status is only with Milan fans, and rightfully so, as he carried the team (with Suso)...like Menez, Balo did in the past, even though they don't get as much recognition because they are not so likeable ,...
i never had that feeling that Italians see him as flagship player, they Think Verrati, Florenzi and even Players like Pellegrini and Gagliardini are slowly taking more importance in the Azzuri. not mentioning Derossi for obvious reasons. (just to talk about midfielders)

if Montolivo, doesn't impede Locatelli's minutes, and he continues to progress he could become more of a flagship Italian player than Bonaventura after Derossi leaves in a year.

he is 28 with less than 10 apps...we can't call him a flagship italian player.
and that's not because he is not good, he is great, but he simply doesn't fit seamlessly in any modern formation.
ROSSONERI7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-09-2017, 14:27   #23245
SuperP
World Cup Winner
 
SuperP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Default

Jack isn't going anywhere. Get that out of your deluded minds. He'll fit in as a midfielder, when he gets match fit.

And even if he doesn't fit? Why sell him? For 25m? Thats pennies, you wont buy a player of Jacks quality for that much anymore.

Jack is a jolly, he can play a lot of positions. Why even think asbout selling such a valuable asset?


People wanting to sell one of our important players
SuperP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-09-2017, 14:38   #23246
rossonero1
AC Milan Icon
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nonsonoqui View Post
It certainly isn't at the level of Spain and Germany when it comes to the national team, and there is generally a deficit of talent in key areas. But I would argue that even when Italy won its last World Cup the team was only above average and cohesive. It wasn't a spectacular team in any way. 2002 Italy was much better in theory.

The real achievement of Italian football when it comes to international competitions isn't laying down years of success (like France 1998/2000 or Spain 2008/10/12), but rather being competitive more often than not. For example, Italy played the Final in 2012 and were demolished by a much better team. But they played the Final. They were there or thereabouts. In 2016, they beat Spain pretty convincingly despite having no player in the midfield who could hold the ball, and came within inches of beating Germany. In 2010 and 2014, of course, they collapsed completely.

Gli Azzurri have surged at different moments. In 1982 they caught fire and went all the way. In 2006, they came together despite the football falling apart at home. Even during the years you characterize as Italy's strong years, they reached the Final only once after 1982 and before 2006.

But what have other national teams done in the last 10-12 years (apart from Germany and Spain)? France have done nothing. Since 2002, neither have Brazil in the WC. And England...well...didn't qualify in 2008, shit the bed in 2014, have been beaten twice by Italy (2012, 14) and...Iceland.

As for club football, yes, there is a lot of work to be done. No one can deny that. Inter, Fio/Napoli (EL), and Juve apart Italian football has done little in Europe in the last 7 years.
No sense in labeling NTs. Italy, just like Germany, Spain, France, etc. will always be a giants in Europe and the world. If they happen to match up in a World Cup or Euros, it could always go either way.

In terms of Serie A, it's slowly starting to gain the competitive nature that it had pre-Calciopoli. You look at this season there could be 6-7 teams that could be competing for top 4.

Last edited by rossonero1; 19-09-2017 at 14:48.
rossonero1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-09-2017, 14:58   #23247
Sorriso Sempre
AC Milan Icon
 
Sorriso Sempre's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperP View Post
Jack isn't going anywhere. Get that out of your deluded minds. He'll fit in as a midfielder, when he gets match fit.

And even if he doesn't fit? Why sell him? For 25m? Thats pennies, you wont buy a player of Jacks quality for that much anymore.

Jack is a jolly, he can play a lot of positions. Why even think asbout selling such a valuable asset?


People wanting to sell one of our important players


Signature
Sorriso Sempre is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-09-2017, 14:58   #23248
nonsonoqui
Io non ho cugini
 
nonsonoqui's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by rossonero1 View Post
No sense in labeling NTs. Italy, just like Germany, Spain, France, etc. will always be a giants in Europe and the world. If they happen to match up in a World Cup or Euros, it could always go either way.

In terms of Serie A, it's slowly starting to gain the competitive nature that it had pre-Calciopoli. You look at this season there could be 6-7 teams that could be competing for top 4.
Yes, that is what I was saying. To be in that position, where you can give the top teams a game and come home with a win, is a privileged one, and Italy are in that position more often than not.

And if you're in that position, you will record a success every so often. Italy has reached the WC Final, for example, every twelve years since 1970.

Serie A is in transition, but I am optimistic. However, they still have to prove it. The last few seasons in Europe have been disappointing on the whole.


Signature
Grazie per avermi fatto rossonero!
nonsonoqui is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 19-09-2017, 15:02   #23249
forward
AC Milan Icon
 
forward's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: San Siro
Fav. Players: Montolivo
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thenebra View Post
Heard so much about bonucci, so far he has not impressed me.

But let`s give him time.

Let`s give everybody time!
Bonucci is doing great.
He is leading a defense that never played with each other, in a team that never played with each other.

We are 4 weeks into the season and fans aren't impressed.
You deserve Galliani and Paletta.


Signature

Last edited by forward; 19-09-2017 at 15:13.
forward is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-09-2017, 15:06   #23250
ChinaMilan
Primavera Player
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ROSSONERI7 View Post
Why are some reacting to the suggestion of selling bonaventura to reinforce the midfield with someone who is actually a midfielder with the right characteristics needed for the role as if it was a sin worthy of capital punishment?



1. gotta be pragmatic sometimes. no one is questioning Bonaventura's talent. it's just a matter of fit. i think (hope) we definitively embraced the 3 5 2 (with some variation of it).
where does he fit? the type of midfielder needed to make the midfield 3 function with fluidity is not Bonaventura. with Biglia and Kessie cementing their place at their role, the 3rd had to be the one picking out runs of the forwards, especially that we now have forwards making smart runs. Hakan has shown he can do that and surprisingly working hard without the ball as well.
he does not have the vision to spot the runs, and doesn't even have the presence of mind to pass during counters, his instincts is to run with the ball. well the ball gets much faster in front of the opponent goal when sent rather than when carried there.

we saw that in europa league with those assists from Hakan. Bonventura would have not have those instincts to slip those balls forwards.

There are a lot of games and Bonaventura will get his chances and will probably score some goals and shine as he used to when he regains his fitness.
but for the team play, especially when going agaisnt worthy opponent, it'll better to have a central midfielder that does central midfield stuff rather than hope for Jack's moments of brilliance

sure, there are worst players in midfield in the squad but no one has any value that would allow us to invest into a proper midfielder to actually add real value to the squad.
he is 28, perfect time to able to get a good sum for him to REINFORCE THE TEAM (that's the goal, isn't it?)

that's why i'm happy that the club is owned by people that see the club as a business, and i hope they will make decisions that make sense.
a Gabbiadini type of deal from a premiership side would yield a decent sum.
hopefully, we're not gonna let players value go to Zero anymore, even Real Madrid Sell players to reinforce their team.



2.

i disagree with this. sure he is considered a good player by italians but his God-like Status is only with Milan fans, and rightfully so, as he carried the team (with Suso)...like Menez, Balo did in the past, even though they don't get as much recognition because they are not so likeable ,...
i never had that feeling that Italians see him as flagship player, they Think Verrati, Florenzi and even Players like Pellegrini and Gagliardini are slowly taking more importance in the Azzuri. not mentioning Derossi for obvious reasons. (just to talk about midfielders)

if Montolivo, doesn't impede Locatelli's minutes, and he continues to progress he could become more of a flagship Italian player than Bonaventura after Derossi leaves in a year.

he is 28 with less than 10 apps...we can't call him a flagship italian player.
and that's not because he is not good, he is great, but he simply doesn't fit seamlessly in any modern formation.
i think your post has alot of contradiction, while you admitting jack ability you are at the same time want him out, why? because he should be the one who is picking up the runs? we have both bonucci and bilgia to do so, not to mention it is not the LM main duty to pick up runs, usually it is happening from the anchor(biglia), also 28 is the players prime, you want to sell him at his prime for what 25 M or? so that we can have a player who might worth double than than and maybe flop, if the renato (bayren flop) worth 45 M, what do you think a WC mid would worth?..

i can't really understand milan fans in this forum, Jack has been our best player in the past 3 years without a doubt, he just come out of 2 injuries, one of them could be a career ending one, and he is playing with new players and change of formulation, give him a chance for god's sack, you guys want to sell him after 1 game?? and not that he was bad either, he just wasn't at his best, and no disrespect to Hakan, and not to take anything from him, he did an excellent job in the EL game and i hope he keeps it, but it was a weak opponent, and also he was one of our worst players against Calgiari game, for me at least it should take full bad season from Jack before i would Consider selling him, and as a true milanista, i SHOULD stand by the player who supported our colors in the bad days, and was our only hope more than any other player, especially knowing how talented he is, not asking for his head after 1 average performance....
ChinaMilan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-09-2017, 15:15   #23251
Thenebra
National Team Player
 
Thenebra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by forward View Post
Bonucci is doing great.
He is leading a defense that never played with each other, in a team that never played with each other.

We are 4 weeks into the season and fans are impressed.
You deserve Galliani and Paletta.
Not hating. Just saying with all the hype i expected a kaka like impact from

him.

When you are no.1 in the world...
Thenebra is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 19-09-2017, 15:17   #23252
milanator
World Cup Winner
 
milanator's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Austria
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ROSSONERI7 View Post
Why are some reacting to the suggestion of selling bonaventura to reinforce the midfield with someone who is actually a midfielder with the right characteristics needed for the role as if it was a sin worthy of capital punishment?



1. gotta be pragmatic sometimes. no one is questioning Bonaventura's talent. it's just a matter of fit. i think (hope) we definitively embraced the 3 5 2 (with some variation of it).
where does he fit? the type of midfielder needed to make the midfield 3 function with fluidity is not Bonaventura. with Biglia and Kessie cementing their place at their role, the 3rd had to be the one picking out runs of the forwards, especially that we now have forwards making smart runs. Hakan has shown he can do that and surprisingly working hard without the ball as well.
he does not have the vision to spot the runs, and doesn't even have the presence of mind to pass during counters, his instincts is to run with the ball. well the ball gets much faster in front of the opponent goal when sent rather than when carried there.

we saw that in europa league with those assists from Hakan. Bonventura would have not have those instincts to slip those balls forwards.

There are a lot of games and Bonaventura will get his chances and will probably score some goals and shine as he used to when he regains his fitness.
but for the team play, especially when going agaisnt worthy opponent, it'll better to have a central midfielder that does central midfield stuff rather than hope for Jack's moments of brilliance

sure, there are worst players in midfield in the squad but no one has any value that would allow us to invest into a proper midfielder to actually add real value to the squad.
he is 28, perfect time to able to get a good sum for him to REINFORCE THE TEAM (that's the goal, isn't it?)

that's why i'm happy that the club is owned by people that see the club as a business, and i hope they will make decisions that make sense.
a Gabbiadini type of deal from a premiership side would yield a decent sum.
hopefully, we're not gonna let players value go to Zero anymore, even Real Madrid Sell players to reinforce their team.



2.

i disagree with this. sure he is considered a good player by italians but his God-like Status is only with Milan fans, and rightfully so, as he carried the team (with Suso)...like Menez, Balo did in the past, even though they don't get as much recognition because they are not so likeable ,...
i never had that feeling that Italians see him as flagship player, they Think Verrati, Florenzi and even Players like Pellegrini and Gagliardini are slowly taking more importance in the Azzuri. not mentioning Derossi for obvious reasons. (just to talk about midfielders)

if Montolivo, doesn't impede Locatelli's minutes, and he continues to progress he could become more of a flagship Italian player than Bonaventura after Derossi leaves in a year.

he is 28 with less than 10 apps...we can't call him a flagship italian player.
and that's not because he is not good, he is great, but he simply doesn't fit seamlessly in any modern formation.
1. That his characteristics are very different to Calhanouglu´s is not necessarily negative, we need some 1:1 replacements in the squad but having players who are different is important too.
Bonaventura is able to do the things Calhanoglu isn´t so good at and vice versa.
We need to have some variety to react to situations and to perform tactical changes.
For example Bonaventura is much better at dealing with a lack of space, so for Serie A alone this can be crucial in some games.

2. I agree about the national team but he is a flagship player for Milan, thats enough for me personally and enough to influence our fan base.
milanator is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-09-2017, 15:19   #23253
Berlusconi
AC Milan Icon
 
Berlusconi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: San Siro
Default

the nationality argument was more relevant when youth players were staying in their respective countries for growth before moving to a new club. Now teenagers under 18 are switching clubs left and right so it doesn't matter anymore.

If you buy a brazilian that's been in England since he was 11 and one thats never left brazil, you'll get 2 players with very different styles and mentality of the game.


Signature
Berlusconi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-09-2017, 15:58   #23254
Curupira
AC Milan Icon
 
Curupira's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by joyrider View Post
Cagliari midfieder Nicolò Barella is courted by Milan, according to Gazzetta dello Sport


Was really active against us and gave us lots and lots of trouble. Would be a good pick up.


Signature
Curupira is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-09-2017, 16:18   #23255
ROSSONERI7
National Team Player
 
ROSSONERI7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: New York
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by milanator View Post
1. That his characteristics are very different to Calhanouglu´s is not necessarily negative, we need some 1:1 replacements in the squad but having players who are different is important too.
Bonaventura is able to do the things Calhanoglu isn´t so good at and vice versa.
We need to have some variety to react to situations and to perform tactical changes.
For example Bonaventura is much better at dealing with a lack of space, so for Serie A alone this can be crucial in some games.

2. I agree about the national team but he is a flagship player for Milan, thats enough for me personally and enough to influence our fan base.
thanks for explaining your position.

1. having midfielders with different characteristics is never a bad thing, if in addition to these characteristics he had more CM like characteristics like playmaking and/or defending, he'd be a beast central midfielder. but with his characteristics, id get more excited if we were talking about a SS or Trequartista.
but for a central midfielder, i'm looking for different things first. maybe that's personal

2. evidently, this is something very important to you and part of the fans, not for me and part of the fans.
imo, it's really irrelevant.
he has the status he has because of what he did for us and Suso has the same status.
would have made a little more sense to me if he was a player that transcended Milan colors by being a Flagship player for Italy therefore for all italians. then, Having a pillar of the national italian team would have that "extra" value.
ROSSONERI7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-09-2017, 16:30   #23256
SixOneFive
Long Live Don Silvio
 
SixOneFive's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Nashville, TN
Fav. Players: Morgan Freeman, Peyton fucking Manning, Tom Hanks, Kendrick Lamar, PK Subban
Default

I come in here for the first time in a few weeks you motherfuckers are talking about wanting Jack out of here...


I liked it better during August 30th crisis mode


Signature
SixOneFive is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-09-2017, 16:31   #23257
Sorriso Sempre
AC Milan Icon
 
Sorriso Sempre's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SixOneFive View Post
I come in here for the first time in a few weeks you motherfuckers are talking about wanting Jack out of here

[IMG]data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wCEAAkGBxMSEhAQEBASEhAVEBUVFxUVFRISEBUQFRIWFhURFR UYHSggGBolGxUVITEhJSkrLi4uFx8zODMtNygtLisBCgoKDg0O FxAQGi0dFx0tLS0tKysrLS0tLS0tLS0tKy0tKy0tKy0rLS00LS 0tNy0tLS0tLSstNzctNy0rLSstK//AABEIAOEA4QMBIgACEQEDEQH/xAAcAAACAgMBAQAAAAAAAAAAAAADBAIFAAEGBwj/xABCEAABAwIEAwUFBQYEBgMAAAABAAIDBBEFEiExQVFhBhMicY EyUpGhsRQzQnLBBxUjc5LRNFNisoOio7TD4RZjdP/EABoBAAMBAQEBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAgMEBQb/xAAkEQACAgEEAwEAAwEAAAAAAAAAAQIRAwQSITETQVEyBWFxIv/aAAwDAQACEQMRAD8A8/7wob3oRqWqDphzXKkdARxUS26H3w5oTqy34bqqCxkRKQpgkziJ 4NWfvM+6PmimK0PCkbyW/sbeXzSP71Puj5rDi7vcHzQkwtD4o28vmVNtI3Tw8eqqzi7+DR8 1KLFn3aCG7jnzRtYJ8nqsOrfK30RoddOv6IURtf0+ilGTc+q5H 2bm27eqWkdutVdW1g135cSqx4kk3JA5BbQxORLmkEqa1jeNzyG pST8R5RuPmQEz+78vD5KJozyW0dPEz8jEXYk7/LHxP9lD95Hiw+hurE0Q46IUtGNdE3igLexZlew8bHqjA31CUnp Et3TmatP9j6KJYfg1kosnoZCq5cUkG7G29UM4u/8Ay2/ErLxtFqaLJyjZVv70dxYPiouxU+7809rHuOlhboFPTmPiFxM8x JJBcPUoDnHmfiUeIXkO7c5vvN+IWu8b7zf6guCctNhJTWIXkO/75vvt/qCxcB9nPRYn4kHlZ0LoG+6EF9M3kmlF6LJEX0zeSXlpxwTzhuo ZVSYFS5iiWpydiArskGGKDxZMsCDMmhMXTFPT3LTwzDX1CFc8g rDPZ8Itp4NOGpCH0JdnpubbyWPmIFmjM8jQfqVjhqLI0DgLniu SCuR0+hKkwZz3Bz3WN/NdjhnZiJw8Tz8FS00ut0+MVy7FdSnRDgX/AP8AEmlrQZM2XYagAfHVK1vZUD2XNPTZJQ9oXcCmo8XcdyrUxb CgrcIcy/hO+6qJYbE7WXX1dbn0uq2enZYktCTYtpyk0enABIyWT9c4a7b9 VVSuTIaFKmIG6VZTAg9EzLIl4JbPtz0SkuAXZo0iE+ksrNyHI1 YWaUUk0VkIhW08dwVWPbbRWmJoEAmIWaEoFk7Tjw/FMkXt0WI2VYgZZqPEqblBYlEHhDc1EkUDsqQhZwQJYrappyg8c FSEKMQJE73aVeN1aEwKcf8AeQ/8P6hLBWNHCXmI2IyvbrwIzBD6Euz0KeSwusowTupRR5nNB2vqr QsY32d1jjVI3NwU1whVGGu/CCrOhmG5IT7cQaNALrQaOeiwuT3Smfsr2jXRdC2qc7gFCrpS72 kDOZjdrqVquqfCQFZVVGGi4Gioa2U6gaIEUtUd1U1Dla1ipqh6 pGMkKyOSLnkOB6pxxSNQrbJL9g0v0UXhSg9lv5R9FkgXK+zUVc EjVxcU+5BkF00xMqU9D7I8ktJHqmQPB6LWySCxK+pWIAvHrTlt 6jyWRRFyE9EKG5NACKi7dTKNT0L5NQLNG73eGMebiqSJAsahto XPu6wDBu52jR68fRWbHRR+z/GfzItCPIbu+ira6ofJq9xNths0dABoFS4EwJmij+7HevH4nAhg PRvH1Wqauk7xhc64zjTha/JKBqNQfexfzG/UJvoldnVQdqANHNtqdUV2O5j4TZUWKsDJHtOW1z8CdEg2QA3ab nkEqVGm5nWHGXjW5SsvamZt7HVYzDZMjXvBAI4iyqa5obcAIQ3 ZZt7TVTtnH42TlD2kqWEEucfM3XLw1JGlnHysjCZ/4Wu8rg/JNitnoUOPOl3PotTPBG2q5CidUDWxA6gDRX1LO4jWw8lLLTIVA vcKgqGG9l0LmJSWmu7zQmKSsqPsLiL2J5WQjgFSdRBK4flK6b7 QIdtSFBuIVMmZzZXW4ZdvJNSBQsqqW4aA64IFiDoQeRUpEd873 +KQ3dtfj6oL1k+x1Qs4IRCYIQSkIBMy6NLDaP0C21isq6C0XoF SYjm7BYmMixVYhwjZR4qLpVAylQMm9Ry8EN0pKj3xGo3CpCLCb u4Tly97KLXzX7pp5ZfxH5JWpq3ye24kcANGjyaNAtyVEUnjeZW PPtBoa4E89dlDNAOM59IwtKJsGxLyFMukh/8Au/6aC/uOU3xYjaDE3KVB97F/Mb/uCOTBym+LEahEPeR5RLfOLXLbXvxSl0Jdln2gpw6Um2uUBMdkc C76oaCPAzxHl0HxU5mlzyNyXfNdj2UqIqVtnFpeTdxuN+A9Eo9 GsY8j/aHDrRgEaWXnVfhwuV7LLi1NUNsXtb5kLju0eDMALoXhwtwN0Gr imjz5mGXNgryiwkNF76+WqBhtSGSWeF1b69hbpbbok2QkilfFe wOyyUBosFOesbdKPqG7lTYcEo5hxQ6iqFwGpCoqr7KFPvcqqIb L6QNNO9rgATYtPHMDsFX0FFI17A0OF9TobW5lM0lc1paZG52N1 Db2F0Stx0SlxJeNLBjXWZbhfpZSWmJ1wAdZu2vzKSepuOt1F6k TAoTgjFQIQI0xqtsUFov6VWwt1VtjItEPzN+iF2M56yxSssVUK hd07feCg6ob7wW4aZpaDZS+yt5J8Ii2wLqlvNDdUN6/BMmnbyWdw3knaG7EO9HC60ZuiddEOSGYgnYhbP0UHuJOyauoPH FOyWLWPJM4Vfvor/5jfqsTGGazRfnCTfA0dHiTC1wI/Ed+t1WzPcxxF7+qusRcMtzwIt5qjlGZxJICWPlGjFps7/xuHk4j6K1wjvhZvenLzcSTZAYI26ueXdGj9U03FYG7Qv8AV3/pXQ02guKtZbwnXnxSdLXEeElCxKujflMdxrqCg1LbEEKWhNjFR UaoHeEoLzdGiCKIsMxqk7QKTAtSckAxcQjck380xRRaE23Ki9u iLSy5WOPAA+pRscujOeVY2rC2WGO6ZPjyine6Xw3c50Yia13ut JJv5rdRSTC2W7r7gBuh8wUpYZIa1OO6sT7krXcHkgvlfcgk3+G qE5x5rKmbpprgeijsU5jlQxzGhrgTmG3kqElaj3RTE2FWIPeFY qomwVC7wn8xRkDD4yGC+51R05dgjTlAlTcoOQBAqLlu6iVQgZC g5qmtJiBhM4T9/F+cIFkxhY/jR/mSfQ0dNisJdGQ3e4PwKppcJmOrSCF0LtdOio566SMlu9ksMuKN OPZulwCZ27R5nQfVHfhhYHZjHboDp5FJnGJeSFJUPfq91+nBbt g9pGWmF7jW3FZK+6mX8EFwUMzZJgR2IANloy2SENmRajk1STXl xsFZ0sFhcpCuwVZJYeadw2LOC3LcceSR+zOmlaxo0G54DzXSzF tPGGjVxFvM81tBHk63NbUUYahsVm2tyA4I9K4uN1X0NEXHPJck 81fU8YFgArPKnKv9AYhgwnbfaQDR36O5hcTV/wANzmSeF7dwvUIRouM7eYeCWyj2vZPUcFnOCas7/wCN1kt3jl0cw+rb1UWVwBvY/JL/AGYrZp1hSPfD/bGe6/8A5ViS7vosT4AuHSg6NbZo013KiiVAAcQEIqX2MiVFykVEoECc olTchlUhGrqIK2VApiJJnCvvo/zfolE1hP30f5v0KT6BdnWOCp8XHj82hXTklidJnaCDZw+nJZYf 0VkkoxtlKAmmMaq2oc6O+YEfRD+3EcCulomM4tcFnLYJOSUJGS qJUbOPRIlsYkqOAW4oi7c6LIYQE1GEDr6HpYwFa0tI6XQaN4n9 AiYPhJdZ0gIbwHPqV0scQaNvIKowPL1WvUf+YditLTsgZoLfVL U9P3rzI/2R7ITczsx8TSBwVhBDYAWWx4ksj7fZKBmlkgx72SZJADc+Eji3 h6q0ccqRmxBrCXu1DWk+XVBCuRZAhrSToOqoMbeyZjmd4xp4XI 3Gy5rGcemqXZIgWsvp16lCggihGacmWTfJcgetlLO3Dp3jalfI tUwFpsR+oPUHigZUzLXiQ2MbI2X0DQdOupQSFzSjTPosGTfHns hk6LFNYoNzbnXJKiVi0UCMKi5SKgSmBByGVNygVSERKgVIqKYj Scwcfxo/P9Emrjs3QOe8SbMbx5nkEVfBE8kca3SOhYy+gQ6sWsE3VSZQGs 3Jt5Hmka6zQCTc8yrx41E8rPrJZuFwjn8auWP8il+7zNaf9I+i sKtoLSLbgpKD2G9Bb4KpHXpHaoA2nCMIlMWUsyzOtyUeyIC6TA MJ2lePyg8veKq8Hpu8kaCNAbnyHBdp3g6ABaRieRrNZJrbENHG oTygJT95Ag2NtbDqeiZgivqd1qeQ0+2bpmB5zG5tw4J98gaNSl 5qlsTdd1zmI4sXHQ6IFHG5Msa/ExqAVVOqwbtNspBB8iLKsdPfW+iWnqLkAaXNkrO2GChOpxURZo 42nMCQSeirYqoudd51PNOV2HSh7nube/EfVIPYkelBRa4H37A9U3muA7mPmkKYktITsIsACssnRtpnUqJW WLaxc53ha2PK97bWs9w+Dilyvce2PY2GpbmaAyYDRwAF+QdzXj WK4dJA8xysLXD4EcxzC1lFohSTESolSKioKBuUCpvUCqQiLlFS coJgFpYC97WDiflxK7qgYGNDW6AD1XM4BH7T7dB+q6CEraCPF1 +Rylt9IFM457HgPqVWY08mwTldLaQHha3rdAqWDMSdrKmY4YW0 hNkrQ1oePavc2vYW4Dnfiq6J1rjqmKjxWKWyqD03kjCVR9BQ5F Y1QjiTELeYQkcuXI5MtsMeI2E8XfQcEKornO8I2Sj5+C2yQDW6 o5dnNsZE+xdwCk3G3t2VbNPfigZkWV40+x+or3v1c4lLl/NKvqANBqeQTVLhksv+kckD2xj2AlqPwtGZx4BWtF2ckLRJJ7Rs QOSu8E7PNjs4i7uZXRtphbVNI5suqS4ic2zDyQNTc8FT432eDQ 54cA+17cCu8ZTAG6oMUwp8+aS509kcNE2uBafNc1b4OJghsLcU WyJIwtJB0INj5qK5JSbZ9LjxxStEbLFJYpND6aIDtL68uK5ztX 2ajqoyxzRmAu134mu59R0XR1EFvGDpzSdNiMT3yRB7TIy2Ztxm FxfZdrVnOfOWIUjopHxPFntdY/3SpXrf7T+zQkaaqEeNg8QH4mafMLyRy55Ro2i7BvUCpOUHJDIl RWysY25AHE2TRMnSOlw2HLG0dL/FWMTCd9G/MoUFrDkAB52RzMt0fPZXukwGIjw8NFVPqbssedvRWsxBBVBWtt YeaUjr0i4cn6FnkZjkJA5brdLKHdDyUGxG1+f0Wu4skdGSKUUv ZcRQbWW6yzG3O+wSNNXuZuMwS2IVz5DctsBsOAQcag2zbpVDve qWyuKMynvzKDZxRvvx5okNPJJo0ED4Kxw/CL2J+C6ihoA0bJ0c+TNGPQhg2ANbYuFyump6cN2C1ELJmMqkjz cmSUmTa1FBUAVhcmYUGaAsyoGdZ3yBpNHOdqMGveaMageIcx7w 6rkl6h3gO647tFgvdkyxj+GTqPdPPyWGSHtHv/x+tteOZQLFnxWLCmetuX09DZ2gqIB3c0rgxjr5dCBpo5vMC9wO a4XGnT08rZ21ObO4uZM02c4k3s4bg6jQ6a6IuM4kZHEkki+54l dd+yjsrT1Ejq6eRkr4iGshvfu3jXvHjjuLeS75PkwSO2wKSWWk gdVC0zo7uBFjxtcc7W+K8b7YYcKeqlYBZhOdv5XX/VfRU7gdNF5b+1XBszBUsGsejusZ/sfqssi4KgzypygVJygSsTU0U9glIZJBYaDUngEhdP4ZVlhsOKq JjqG9jo64U4A3CC5rfeCrTVuKA+U81tZ4ixP2Wji0cbqnzB7jo sE2jrg5raEfqh07CGOdxcfkobPY0+BRxL++WCz5i47C9h5BRcw lOwUugTDaZUcWTKnJsqu7USFaSUyE2iN0UR5EJsgvwVrR0HRMU lH0V1SU9t0Uc+XN8N0lPlGyda1RJAUHzqzhbbGA6y2JUl3l1B8 tkBtLITrDMqkVKkZ0BsLB9Qh/aOqrnTrTZUD2FoJuqMyTMC06g8OiqmyIrXngUgSadoJ+4af/AC/msUcz/fWJbUa+bJ9PPqq+UOA8N99fW3ApvstiktLOyeIkWPi1sHM4tPN e49ssOilpZKctY1uQ5dAAxwF2uHKx+S8Lr6d0DnQyNyubbYgtI Iu1zSNCCNQUo88n0847Tt8c/aVUSXbTtbTx8D7cv9R0HouQq8UlkJMk0j775nuIPS2yqXTqTJb qjIJKwHbdKOCZzIEx1WU4mkWDTmHQZiTyHzSSu8KZaO/NxPolHsy1EtsCYaR5J3D8P7+nnqI5WExEXjPhe4cSCfoq/EGkxuy7jX4JjsZincz2P3crbHfY6O1br13C1Ry4oKati9JIHgF uhvY31seKZLLusNh9VHEab7NVSxX8LzdpuCNTodCeHVOxR2Sa5 LzZfHh8a9mmMRmxojGojWpnlSkQbCiNgUwpB1kzNsLGwBTFRyS TplqK5QS4/Rp019FNreagyIAXO6DU1OUJgo30Gmnsqmpr7aApStrb8UtTRl7 h5pNnRHFStlrQku8uaPJLwQ62rbCwNb7Sr6aQnUlJMWy+Sx7xT a5Jl6LE+6YnEbD0Zj0oSiZ0yGhvvOq2le8WIJ2nVdoMbc8OY38 XgH5nHKPmV5R2org+pnDfYjf3LP5cI7pvxyE+q7ehqA+WN4N2M jdMeV2i0Y/rc1efdo8ObTzujZIZGkB2Y2zXN7g24/3URVI+nk9/IkZFjHoTASQBuTb1K9awL9mtOY29/I90haCbaAEjYK0mzI8vbMdkReyxfstorX/iudyDmi/qdFOP9lNM7hVt1tvC4eeh2SnBlKSR4sruA2Ywf6V6jN+xSH8FX IPNjSuX7c9inYc2GQTd7G85LkBrmvtcC3EEAqFGjHU3JcHNteq aaLK4tG4OZml9N7J50iWqg4gSEENB0JFgddbHirMNOmnR1WOON ZQU9SMvewAMLgMhLLeE6kX47BKYfOJGNfxO/QjcLOwlW1srqaRwbFMCNbhvi55RckHqEAwGlqZqVxBAdcEG4Og 28wfkm/o9VjtWWgUmlLiRbEiR5VMZzKDnXQs6h3iAUSZ3TdK6wJVc6cDd LT4lYWCRfilLosayvAuqWpqyeKXkqsyA56LOiGBxXQTNdW2HWa C88AqVkg5puoqxkytKVlyxyYCep7yS5PFOskVRFum2yIspwdFg Hpindqq2OVN00m6ZhKI6511tr0qHorjxTMnEYzraUz9ViBbSfZ v7mf8Akt/7hq5PHfvn+ixYk+z6BfkHhP30P86P/eF9EQcVtYtsZmy7puHorWn3CxYrmShxeZft1/w1H/8Aq/8AG5bWLmQT/J43IrPEv8FTf8T/AHlbWIfRlpe2UVP95H+b9Cr7tL/iovIf7QsWKvRpm/LCraxYpPHNqBWLExx7EqpVVRusWKT0MZqJSesWJG4EqK2sQBON GWLEEy6Jx7p2DgsWKjlmMBG/CtrEHOwSxYsVCP/Z[/IMG]
great argument


Signature
Sorriso Sempre is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-09-2017, 17:02   #23258
Massaro94
AC Milan Icon
 
Massaro94's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: UK
Fav. Players: Weah Gullit Rijkaard Boban Savicevic Baresi Kaka Shevchenko Suarez Tevez
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fodderuda View Post
thats the opinion of the 750k compared to the 15 million fan boys


ffs PES gameplay hasnt changed since Winning eleven 4
Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperP View Post
So Despacito is the best song ever? Popular ≠ better.


Signature
Massaro94 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-09-2017, 17:17   #23259
Qaas
Mystery Guy
 
Qaas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Danmark
Fav. Players: KAKA, Maldini, Nesta, Dida, Inzaghi, Sheva, TSilva, R9, Raul, Casillas, Schmeichel, Messi
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperP View Post
So Despacito is the best song ever? Popular ≠ better.

It is a very good song.. just because it became so popular doesn't mean it is a bad song.

-- fifa is levels above pes interms of everything. And all the units it sells are there for everyone to see.
Only good thing about pes is the player-faces and chl license... that is it.
Qaas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-09-2017, 17:21   #23260
Sage
Reinmēkā
 
Sage's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Default

Milan are with PES? looks like I'm buying fifa 18: icon edition
Sage is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 19:33.





Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
©2002-2011 The Red & Black Forums. These are fan forums and are in no way affiliated with AC Milan S.p.A.