I think every team play with the weapons they got... Barça got the physichaly lightest team between top European clubs.
Other teams know this very well, and they try to go physical against them... To try to get fouls out of the contact is something they can do to match the tactics against them. You can use muscles against skills and you can use brains against muscles.
I think that when a defender resort to physical contact he is taking that risk.
I don't know if it's a deliberate tactic from Barça, but it can totally not be the case. It's the way small players learn to cope with physical contact (and they got a lot of those), if you see those small dribblers in South America, they will learn to deal with stronger players, they will try to use everything else, from skills to acting. Just like stronger players will make a good use of their bodies, in some morally questionable ways like violence.
It's no different than the DM who hide his fouls. Or when you kill a counter with a dirty foul, or provoke the opposite player... All very questionable tactics, but it happens all the time and my opinion let the game more interesting.
(unless your team is a victim of it course )
Same. Though I think it depends on how it's used and how well it's done (though granted I think we both believe dive is a good resource if your rivals go out to kick you and they get away with it, then you have to counter it).Also, I do value a good diving. Football is played first mentally.
I think every team play with the weapons they got... Barça got the physichaly lightest team between top European clubs.
Other teams know this very well, and they try to go physical against them... To try to get fouls out of the contact is something they can do to match the tactics against them. You can use muscles against skills and you can use brains against muscles.
I think that when a defender resort to physical contact he is taking that risk.
I don't know if it's a deliberate tactic from Barça, but it can totally not be the case. It's the way small players learn to cope with physical contact (and they got a lot of those), if you see those small dribblers in South America, they will learn to deal with stronger players, they will try to use everything else, from skills to acting. Just like stronger players will make a good use of their bodies, in some morally questionable ways like violence.
It's no different than the DM who hide his fouls. Or when you kill a counter with a dirty foul, or provoke the opposite player... All very questionable tactics, but it happens all the time and my opinion let the game more interesting.
(unless your team is a victim of it course )
Actually you said it better in the previous post. Its not diving per se, but tactical diving thats the problem, or diving as part of the tactics. Diving out of trouble as I would put it.
thats exactly the 'mes que un club' pretentious high and mighty attitude that Barcelona represents.This thread is it does not reflect Milan fans
or, lets not be that lame to compare to Inter forums in the first place. What is lame is that people suggest Milan fans are somehow above hate and flame threads and still we have the most hated players here.lets not be lame like inter forums and have a "haters paradise'
I couldn't honestly say I see that more from Barcelona than I do from Milan. Seedorf, for example, is a master of diving out of trouble; so was Pirlo.
I couldn't honestly say I see that more from Barcelona than I do from Milan. Seedorf, for example, is a master of diving out of trouble; so was Pirlo.
Very true, this does fall under my "smart diving" (or for ex. the way Ambro and Kaka used to fall over the slightest naive defending move). It's when there's no trouble, or in the midfield where it does annoy me (for ex. there's a guy in my CR team that does that sooo much, fuck he annoys me, he can do so much more and prefers to take a dive, and 9 out of 10 times he never gets called, stupid diver).
I had to read that twice to get it. "CR"
Very true, this does fall under my "smart diving" (or for ex. the way Ambro and Kaka used to fall over the slightest naive defending move). It's when there's no trouble, or in the midfield where it does annoy me (for ex. there's a guy in my CR team that does that sooo much, fuck he annoys me, he can do so much more and prefers to take a dive, and 9 out of 10 times he never gets called, stupid diver).
Again, I suggest you read my post. Its collective diving thats the problem within a certain team, in other words an entire squad being groomed to dive.
thats exactly the 'mes que un club' pretentious high and mighty attitude that Barcelona represents.
Was about to post this.Mods please delete this thread,its beyond pathetic and small time mentality club.
We dont even have a thread for Merda or Ladri on this note,and we have for Barca?Pff
lets not be lame like Merda forums and have a "haters paradise'
Edit. Really close this. It's not a matter of Milan fans being klaaaass is a matter of just not showing inferiority complex.
This thread is what happens when Fiero has a nervous breakdown
Love the people who are 'against' this thread yet continue to post in it. Again and again and again. Newsflash: Don't like the thread, fuck off.
Hey! You're still here! It's okay, it's okay, you could cry for some more attention.
Barcelona gave us Ronaldinho, Zambrotta and Zlatan, true champions.
Don't tell me to FO as you are the one who need to stop this BS, really it is only show the wrong side of your attitude and reflects this unacceptable behaves at us in this forum.
Also hate to be that guy, but guess what, you guys need to stop living in your own bubble. "Classy Milan fans", I don't know what gave you this image? Real Milan fans, i.e.: ones that regularly go to the stadium, are so very "classy" indeed. Among many of their incidents is when they killed a Roma supporter sitting in the Sud, or when they killed a Genoa fan. Just last game "classy" Milan fans threw smoke bombs at Genoa's fan section.
"Oh yeah we're so classy!" Guess what, you're not fucking special.
Sorry, but had to burst that bubble.
Now keep on trolling, attention whores.
This team cheated the team you support out of a Champions League final in 2006 and a draw at San Siro last month. Shows what a great fan you are.
Look, those who are against this thread have made their point clear. More than once. So why are they continuing to post? Now it's just borderline fishing for attention.
You've made your point, now move along. Otherwise it's just trolling.
And I knew this thread would butt-hurt many members and that's why I asked David long before I opened it.
In each team have slim fans, but Milan in general and been known as class fan, and if you represent one of slam people, then let me tell you, that you pick the wrong forum to do that!
well then I will ask david to put this down or move it to other thread as it is not labeled as Football ones.
Mod must move it to "Off Topic" and then I can understand that, but else i could not agree.
I don't give S***, this a Milan's Fan Forum, and we are Milan members do not get down to this low level.
fucking kid is teaching you lessons.Clearly you are so classy and have high levels of respect for other clubs, that's why you call them Ladri and Merda.
This team cheated the team you support out of a Champions League final in 2006 and a draw at San Siro last month. Shows what a great fan you are.
fucking kid is teaching you lessons.
Hey buddy, if you wanna feel good about yourself that's your business. Just don't expect everyone to try to render the truth to feel good about themselves. Guess what, Juve and Milano's weaker teams have their fair share of classy fans as well and their fair share of douche bags. Milan is no different.
I'm sorry I'm not perfect and I hate some other clubs. Clearly you are so classy and have high levels of respect for other clubs, that's why you call them Ladri and Merda.
So hey, next time you want to be judgmental, start with yourself. Cheers.
David himself told me to open it in the football forum. Sadly you don't run this place, he does.
Everyone has the right to do whatever he wants. I don't see any definition of a classy Milan fan in the rules that everyone has to abide to. Milan fans are not somehow different than any other club's fans. Just like Barca isn't different than any other club.
Seriously, sodlod you don't like the thread, sod off.
fucking kid is teaching you lessons.
So it's not okay to express our hate to other clubs? So it's not classy to hate other clubs? What classy fan is? A saint? I don't care classy or not i love Milan and hate other clubs such as merda, madrid, barca, etc.