The Rumour Commode XXX: Return of the King

[Ash]

Originally Posted by IL Diavolo 3

Have you seen the meltdown at FiF?

It's majestic, heartwarming & viagra level of satisfaction.

Not surprising

Happens when you overrate the quality of your players

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[MILAN 4EVER]

FACT: In the last 14 games in the CL merda got 2 wins. They have qualified the last 3 seasons for the CL but never couldnt reach the next round

[mrki]

Originally Posted by Australiano1980

His career will be very short only playing like this.

Big true... Theo needs to have more freedom. Thats why its important to have a rb who can play cb on the same level.

[Alo88]

Originally Posted by Australiano1980

His career will be very short only playing like this.

Marcelo disagrees

[Chiko]

Originally Posted by Ash

Not surprising

Happens when you overrate the quality of your players

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While true, they have a decent enough squad. Just Conte is pathetically poor.

[Birsaforever]

I think Conte is the most overrated coach of the last 10 years.

[VultureSheva]

Originally Posted by Birsaforever

I think Conte is the most overrated coach of the last 10 years.

When Juve moved from Conte to Allegri you could see the difference in Europe. Conte was always trash in Europe.

[Pingu]

Good morning and fuck Inter. Can't wait to see them dumped out of CL for the third season in a row but this time not even make it to EL spot in 3rd, and then miss out on CL in the league. Top 4 imo will be us, Juve, Napoli, Roma. Atalanta and Lazio have had shaky starts but who knows, Fiore are trash, Sassuolo don't know if they have what it takes to keep this momentum. Inter already in a bit of a struggle and December hasn't even begun.

[Ronin]

Originally Posted by Birsaforever

I think Conte is the most overrated coach of the last 10 years.

on par with Fraudiola probably, although that one was lucky to have one of the best squads in history and win some gold

[Chiko]

Originally Posted by Birsaforever

I think Conte is the most overrated coach of the last 10 years.

I think not so much overrated, but he is a great coach, but a horrible manager. He gets too involved in the transfer window and has shown time and time again he has no idea what he is doing on that end.

When he was with Italy it was fine, you get what you get and you work with it. His biggest issue is feeling the need to not work with what he has and with that comes his downfall. Forcing everything into his specific style, unwilling to change anything.

I was on the Conte train but this guy has lost it, his ego is way too big. His stock at big clubs has fallen and I don?t think he will ever get this much power at any club and only a fool would give him this much power again.

[Birsaforever]

Originally Posted by VultureSheva

When Juve moved from Conte to Allegri you could see the difference in Europe. Conte was always trash in Europe.

Conte is just an average coach who dominated the most poor, lazy and uninspired Serie A ever existed with a top european quality team.

[Birsaforever]

Originally Posted by Pingu

Good morning and fuck Inter. Can't wait to see them dumped out of CL for the third season in a row but this time not even make it to EL spot in 3rd, and then miss out on CL in the league. Top 4 imo will be us, Juve, Napoli, Roma. Atalanta and Lazio have had shaky starts but who knows, Fiore are trash, Sassuolo don't know if they have what it takes to keep this momentum. Inter already in a bit of a struggle and December hasn't even begun.

Atalanta always has shaky starts, but once they get their best form they become very strong. Them, Napoli and Juventus are the teams that i fear most.

Lazio and Roma seems like they lack the depth to succeed in the long run.

I hope too that Inter will fail to qualify for next CL.

[VooDooDoll]

Originally Posted by VultureSheva

When Juve moved from Conte to Allegri you could see the difference in Europe. Conte was always trash in Europe.

yep, but conte had pretty shit squad and allegri was getting good/top players each year of coaching in turin

[Birsaforever]

Originally Posted by VooDooDoll

yep, but conte had pretty shit squad and allegri was getting good/top players each year of coaching in turin

Conte had a top defence and midfield, Tevez, Vucinic, Llorente.

The only good player Allegri got in his first year was Morata, and he reached CL final.

And as good as Morata can be, it's not like a top player that changes everything alone. Ditto for other good players they signed next, like Cuadrado, Mandzukic, Pjanic, etc. most of which came on cheap deals.

They could afford expensive players after their results in Europe and selling Pogba (also operations like signing Kingsley Coman for free and selling next year gave them a little financial boost).

[Ronin]

Originally Posted by Birsaforever

Conte is just an average coach who dominated the most poor, lazy and uninspired Serie A ever existed with a top european quality team.

He had made them into a pretty well-oiled machine, but has proved since to be very one-dimensional and dependent on a system and particular type of players. Very inflexible

[Birsaforever]

Originally Posted by Ronin

He had made them into a pretty well-oiled machine, but has proved since to be very one-dimensional and dependent on a system and particular type of players. Very inflexible

He made them into a team that was painful for yes with the advantage of not playing in Europe in his first year and not having opponents in the other years.

Outside Italy he struggled even against Nordsj?lland.

[Alo88]

Originally Posted by Birsaforever

He made them into a team that was painful for yes with the advantage of not playing in Europe in his first year and not having opponents in the other years.

Outside Italy he struggled even against Nordsj?lland.

However I remember back then how many people and fans were downplaying Allegris coaching, especially Milan fans, saying he's basically riding on what Conte has built and for a while it seemed like every success of Allegri was Contes.

I don't know. Conte has kickstarted what became the strongest team in Italy for almost a decade, made Italy at one of its lowest point talent wise look very decent and he won also a PL title. Wouldn't say he's an average coach. Overrated, maybe. But not average.

[VultureSheva]

Originally Posted by VooDooDoll

yep, but conte had pretty shit squad and allegri was getting good/top players each year of coaching in turin

Pogba-Pirlo-Vidal-Marchisio - Best midfield in Europe.
Chiellini-Barzagli-Bonucci - Probably the best defence in it?s time.
Tevez, Coman

“Shit squad”

https://www.transfermarkt.com/juvent...saison_id=2014

Allegri only added Dybala, Cuadrado and Sandro, and reached final. Conte couldn’t do more than group stages.

[Master Smurf]

Originally Posted by Chiko

I think not so much overrated, but he is a great coach, but a horrible manager. He gets too involved in the transfer window and has shown time and time again he has no idea what he is doing on that end.

When he was with Italy it was fine, you get what you get and you work with it. His biggest issue is feeling the need to not work with what he has and with that comes his downfall. Forcing everything into his specific style, unwilling to change anything.

I was on the Conte train but this guy has lost it, his ego is way too big. His stock at big clubs has fallen and I don?t think he will ever get this much power at any club and only a fool would give him this much power again.

Facts - and that is why I was never on the train.
When his name was flirted I thought 'good if he comes that means we actually have money...but I dont want him to be the manager because he will just bitch and moan and be out shortly after that'


Looks like I may have thrown too much dirt on the special one too as Spurs are riding high but the season is long. If Jose has them humming again next season then maybe the game actually hasnt passed him by.

[Birsaforever]

Originally Posted by Alo88

However I remember back then how many people and fans were downplaying Allegris coaching, especially Milan fans, saying he's basically riding on what Conte has built and for a while it seemed like every success of Allegri was Contes.

I don't know. Conte has kickstarted what became the strongest team in Italy for almost a decade, made Italy at one of its lowest point talent wise look very decent and he won also a PL title. Wouldn't say he's an average coach. Overrated, maybe. But not average.

People back them blamed Allegri for not winning CL with Kevin Constant.