AC Milan's Financial Situation Thread

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Is Taci Oil gonna be our shirt sponsor now? Does the sale of Milan shares be good?
No, they aren't gonna be our shirt sponsors. Fly Emirates already have a deal for that for a few years (not sure when it ends). Not sure what they are called [ if they have a specific name ] , but the "banners" that pretty much surround the field and have names of companies in them...well Taci Oil's name was present there.

Not sure about shares.
 

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Milan is 100% with Berlusconi. There's no share at all.
 

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Milan is 100% with Berlusconi. There's no share at all.
I thought he meant that the price of the shares will go high because of the sponsorship deal.
 

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Im talking about this...

AC Milan president Silvio Berlusconi considering overseas investment into the club following financial hit - report
By Livio Caferoglu

If this happens will it be good or bad?
 

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Im talking about this...



If this happens will it be good or bad?
Depends on what way you look at it. Someone buying a huge number of shares and deciding to invest is of course a good thing ....can't see the negative other than the fact that we'd be less "Berlusconi". + I don't see it happening unless it's someone Berlusconi is a big friend with...too much pride for Berlusconi to see someone other than him buy Milan players and help them succeed and him [ Berlu ] not being able to really say that was all him.
 

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Im talking about this...


If this happens will it be good or bad?

Oh, now I got it.


It's hard to say. It can attract some investment in short time, but also can be harmful in the long run. It all depends on how it's done.

Though at this point they problably give up on this idea already.
 

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No, they aren't gonna be our shirt sponsors. Fly Emirates already have a deal for that for a few years (not sure when it ends). Not sure what they are called [ if they have a specific name ] , but the "banners" that pretty much surround the field and have names of companies in them...well Taci Oil's name was present there.

Not sure about shares.

The deal with Fly Emirates ends after the 2014-2015 season.
 

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From Deloitte's Football Money League 2012:

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AC MILAN financial situation 2010-11

total revenue for 2010-11)the annual list compiled by accounting firm Deloitte
1. Real Madrid $637 million
2. Barcelona $598 million
3. Man. United $487 million
4. Bayern Munich $427 million
5. Arsenal $333 million
6. Chelsea $332 million
7. AC Milan $312 million
8. Inter Milan $281 million
9. Liverpool $270 million
10. Schalke $269 million
11. Tottenham $240 million
12. Man. City $225 million
13. Juventus $204 million
14. Marseille $200 million
15. Roma $191 million
16. Bor. Dortmund $184 million
17. Lyon $176 million
18. Hamburg $171 million
19. Valencia $155 million
20. Napoli $153 million
http://www.socceramerica.com/article/45608/real-madrid-and-barcelona-head-rich-list.html
AC MILAN has no stadium,no revenues from the stadium as the first 6.So,AC Milan does pretty well.Surprised by the place of Marseille.After all, AC MILAN isnt a poor team as we might think,seein the transfer they made...mesbah.:fp:
ps sorry,didnt see it:D
 
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So Capo's picture shows us that we are only 15m behind Bayern in which I hardly believe. It's more likely Deloitte is on the right track.
It's not our revenue what is the problem, we are doing fine there, yes we can do better I would say with our own stadium but our expenditures are huge. I mean if Bayern can be 100m in plus so can we. But, first we must set our costs. I don't know where is going all of our money?
 

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AC MILAN bringed mesbah,maxi lopez its a low cost team.:fp:
most of the money goes to over 30 players.the old senatores and garbage players such as antonini,bonera.:fp:
bayern who doesnt know,its a HUUUUUUUUUUUUGE thing in germany.In everything.For me, they are the real deal in football.I've took a look at bayern's online store.WOW....
barca is only c.ronaldo and messi marketing.or mostly:)
 

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Yes, Bayern has real deals. Unlike us...Interesting stuff about the stadium.
Allianz Arena
Financing
Of the 280 million euros invested in its construction, 90 billion were invested by the insurance firm Allianz, which will keep the rights to the name of the stadium until the year 2021. The rest was shared by the two Munich clubs, while the city and the state of Bavaria were responsible for the infrastructure (roads, accesses).

Owners
The arena was commissioned by the Allianz Arena München Stadion GmbH, founded in 2001, and was owned in equal parts by the two football clubs that call it home. The GmbH's CEO was Karl-Heinz Wildmoser, Jr. until the unraveling of the stadium corruption affair (see below). Since then, Bernd Rauch, Peter Kerspe, and Walter Leidecker have led the company. In April 2006, FC Bayern Munich bought out TSV 1860 München's 50% share in the arena for a reported 11 million Euros. 1860's managing director Stefan Ziffzer stated that the deal prevented insolvency for the club. The terms of the agreement gave 1860 the right to buy back their 50% share of the arena for the price of sale plus interest anytime before June 2010. In November 2007, TSV 1860 München resigned that right. In advance, the income of two friendly-games both clubs shared equally instead of having that money going to Allianz Arena GmbH. Due to financial turbulences of TSV 1860 München, FC Bayern Munich took over all the shares and now owns 100% of the Allianz Arena.

Cost
The cost of the construction itself ran to €286 million but financing costs raised that figure to a total of €340 million. In addition, the city and State incurred approximately €210 million for area development and infrastructure improvements.

Why can't Milan and Inter build their own stadium?
 
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Yes, Bayern has real deals. Unlike us...Interesting stuff about the stadium.
Allianz Arena
Financing
Of the 280 million euros invested in its construction, 90 billion were invested by the insurance firm Allianz, which will keep the rights to the name of the stadium until the year 2021. The rest was shared by the two Munich clubs, while the city and the state of Bavaria were responsible for the infrastructure (roads, accesses).

Owners
The arena was commissioned by the Allianz Arena München Stadion GmbH, founded in 2001, and was owned in equal parts by the two football clubs that call it home. The GmbH's CEO was Karl-Heinz Wildmoser, Jr. until the unraveling of the stadium corruption affair (see below). Since then, Bernd Rauch, Peter Kerspe, and Walter Leidecker have led the company. In April 2006, FC Bayern Munich bought out TSV 1860 München's 50% share in the arena for a reported 11 million Euros. 1860's managing director Stefan Ziffzer stated that the deal prevented insolvency for the club. The terms of the agreement gave 1860 the right to buy back their 50% share of the arena for the price of sale plus interest anytime before June 2010. In November 2007, TSV 1860 München resigned that right. In advance, the income of two friendly-games both clubs shared equally instead of having that money going to Allianz Arena GmbH. Due to financial turbulences of TSV 1860 München, FC Bayern Munich took over all the shares and now owns 100% of the Allianz Arena.

Cost
The cost of the construction itself ran to €286 million but financing costs raised that figure to a total of €340 million. In addition, the city and State incurred approximately €210 million for area development and infrastructure improvements.

Why can't Milan and Inter build their own stadium?

Because they are fine as they are.
 

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over the last few years,its been said the moratti is willing to move from san siro,,to build a stadion for shit inter.
 

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I found all the answers in here...

Juve stadium

This stadium is constructed to reduce energy consumption from non-renewable energy sources by reducing waste and optimizing the resources available. The stadium can produce the electricity it needs using solar energy captured through photovoltaic panels; it produces warm water which heats rooms, changing rooms, kitchens and football field through a network of district heating, heats hot water for the dressing rooms and kitchens of restaurants using solar thermal systems.

So they cut the costs.

Naming rights

Juventus signed an agreement with Sportfive Italia which gave the company "exclusive naming and partial promotional and sponsorship rights for the new stadium." In the agreement, Sportfive was given the rights to the name of the stadium and to market the sky boxes and VIP seats

Stadium Tour
A 70-minute guided tour of the stadium is offered everyday. Guests are taken around to see the dressing rooms, facilities, museum and the pitch.
[edit]Area12 Shopping Centre
On October 27, Area 12, a shopping centre adjacent to the stadium was opened. It has over 60 shops, 2 bars, 3 restaurants and the first E.Leclerc-Conad hypermarket to feature a drive-through service, allowing customers to do their shopping online and collect their pre-packed goods.[14] The new Juventus Store, at 550 square metres, is the biggest sports club shop in the country. It was designed by Giugiaro and architect Alberto Rolla.
The shopping centre has 2,000 parking spaces, of which 800 are covered, and was provided by San Sisto (sole owner), a company which sees the agreement between Nordiconad from Modena, the Nothern Italy Cooperative of Gruppo Conad, Cmb from Carpi (MO) and Unieco from Reggio Emilia, two Italian companies in the field of shopping centre building.

More stuff about the stadiums...


Every fan of Calcio knows just how detrimental it is for a club not to own its own stadium. Not only does a club not have a functional stadium to use and to rent out for other purposes, it has to pay the council rent to use the stadium; a fee that come sometimes amount to millions of dollars for top stadia. This is simply unheard of outside Italy.

At the moment the FIGC, CONI and Italian councils all seem to be against the building and privatization of new stadia in Italy. They enjoy a regular stream of income from football clubs and get to keep the stadium at the end of each season. They can also hire out the stadium to various functions such as music concerts and the like leaving the stadium with a destroyed pitch. When a club wants to renovate and upgrade the stadium they must first go through the council and through all the problems that go with that.

Furthermore, there is a law now being pushed to be passed by the government, one that would change the current waiting time to build stadiums from EIGHT YEARS to only one year, would make the privatization of stadiums easier and make credit to build stadiums more accessible. The councils are doing everything they can to stop this. They do not want to be left with an outdated stadium that is of no use to them.
Ok I think we are all well aware that while clubs like Manchester United and Real Madrid are pulling in figures of around 150m euro's in matchday revenue alone, the table toppers Milan and fierce rivals Inter have to settle for around 30-40m euro's.

But Juve's capacity on that stadium is ridiculously low.
 

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Well Juve has kicked our ass in this one area.

Milan or Inter should put an stop to this co-ownership nonsense. The pitch's quality is awful and there's no special hype about San Siro among fans anymore.

You want fans? Then you better wish Italy wins Euro and Milan-Juve dominate Europe like they did in 90's. No one has taken Serie A as serious as they should since Clacio poli. Milan and Juve also need to build new stars. Then things will go back to normal. Right now like 80 percent of the non-euro market belongs to EPL and La Liga, and Serie A and Bundesliga must be fighting to gain back the fame.
 
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Yes, Bayern has real deals. Unlike us...

I can tell you why Bayern has real deals: Their management floor has competence. We don't even have a proper medical staff or qualified fitness coaches. Some of our injured players travel to Munich to see their doctors.

Bayern don't renew the contracts of done players like we do. Hoeneß, Nerlinger and Rummenigge don't promise champions when they don't intend to buy some.

Believe me, when they fully own Allianz Arena they will be the biggest force in European football.

The main factor why it works for them and not for us is competence off the field. Unfortunately.
 

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@MonsterKane- Don't they already own the whole stadium? It says that in that article?

@Costanza
San Siro isn't in ownership of Milan or Inter neither. The city owns him, and both of Milan clubs pay the rent. So not only that we don't have full profit of tickets we also don't get profit of renting our own stadium to other purposes, cause of the stupid low. Even if Milan and Inter would own their own stadium that would be a lot better than the current situation. We're like 100mil in minus when it comes to this. And building a stadium would cost us from £90mil like Juve's 41 000 seats to 470mil for a stadium like Emirates 60 000. Emirates stadium brought new £115 million to around £170 million to Arsenal when it comes about year turnover.
Now we have the advantage in here, cause we don't have to loan our money course of the our rich owner. We can borrow that money from our own company and build that. Than the interest would be a lot smaller.
The only problem is law, but if Juve could do it so can we.
 

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Series A: growing debt, now it 's 2.6 billion 29/03/2012

The rise and 'of 14% compared to 2009-2010 (2300000000)
Source: Reuters


(ANSA)-ROMA, 29 MAR-The total debt of the Serie A in 2010-2011 is 2.6 billion and is up 14% over the previous year (2.3 billion).
And 'this one's data' Football Report 2012 ', presented in Rome this morning ABI, by FIGC, Arel and PricewaterhouseCoopers. E 'instead of 428 million euro net loss produced by Italian professional football in 2010-2011, namely +80 million the previous season. Only 19 of 107 clubs have closed with a profit.
 

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Welcome to Earth.

Monetary-based, Flawed, Debt-Based, Resource Stolen, Corrupt System where everyone's in Debt, and if you're NOT, you're a sucker holding cash which is printed by each country now in the Trillions.
 

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I came a cross a interesting article about Serie A Milan and Financial Fair Play
by Brigate Rossonere

Serie A and FFP

I will tell you know, we are in big trouble. Galliani does not joke when he is saying that Serie A can potentially fall behind Ligue 1.

What does Serie A currently have? Global viewership? Not to the extent that EPL / La Liga do. Huge commercial sales? Inter and Milan make about 20% of what Bayern do. This is not all, in fact, those are the smaller problems. The biggest issue for Italian clubs is matchday revenue. We are losing out not only because of old and outdated stadiums that no-body wants to visit, we are losing out because Italy is in a tough financial situation and even with these low tickets prices that Italian giants are currently charging, there is still a falling number of total spectators each year.

A lot of arguments for Serie A still being the third strongest league is that the giants in Serie A are much stronger than the German giants (Bayern, Borussia, Schalke etc) and most definitely stronger than the French giants (Marseille, Lyon etc). Well, once FFP kicks in, the top Serie A sides, especially the two Milan clubs whose owners are constantly covering losses and contributing capital, will suffer most and will be hurt to such an extent that we will no longer be a feared force in Europe.

This is nowhere more apparent than with Inter's current state. They have a team of champions, a team that is basically unchanged since they won the UCL and Moratti was happy with this. The problem with this team is that they are all in the latter stages of their careers and are all swallowing huge wages. Moratti seems to have just realized that their value is quickly depreciating and if he wishes for Inter to break even, they need to get rid of the biggest earners and sell at least one or two of their top assets to recuperate losses. Who have Inter brought in to replace their departing heroes? Ricardo Alvarez? Sneijder's boots are too big for him to fill. Transfer targets? Palacio is not on the same level as Eto'o.

Milan will soon have a similar issue. Nesta, Oddo, Zambrotta, Ambrosini, Seedorf, Gattuso and Pippo are all players who will need to be replaced in the near future (this or next year). If Milan wish to participate in European competition, they will only be allowed a leeway of 45m euro loss each year for three years from when FFP starts in 2014 and even less from then on.

MILAN LOST 70+M EURO'S LAST YEAR.

Who did we purchase? Sure we spent 16m on Robinho, but Ibra only cost us 6m in that year and Boateng was only paid for this year. How can we replace the seven players leaving / retiring in the next two years without going to Berlusconi for yet another capital injection?

The answer is through the two things that FFP does not include, stadium and youth academy development. I know I sound like a broken record, but the only thing that Milan can do to solve their issues is to either buy-out the San Siro (which is costing us 13m euro's a year just to rent) or build a new stadium. It would attract more viewers and eliminate the council fee for renting the San Siro. A loan could easily be taken out to finance the stadium and instead of using 13m annually to rent a stadium, we could be using it to pay off a loan so that in the future Milan own their own stadium and become more self sufficient.

Inter and Roma should both follow a similar path.

Juventus have prepared themselves already for FFP. Their owners have built them a brand new stadium, one with no running track, stands that are as close to the pitch as the FIGC allow and many corporate boxes, all of which have already been sold for the season ahead. Their owners have also injected 100m + in capital to improve their squad before the start of FFP so that they can be compeitive both on and off the field. They are doing everything right at the moment and should be lauded for this.

The FIGC and Italian government needs to realize the issues with the sport that brings in much revenue to their country and must change the laws so that stadium privatization is easier for sport clubs to achieve otherwise their fear of owning outdated stadiums with no revenue streams will come to fruition anyway as their country will be home to a non-relevant European league.

Doing nothing will kill Italian football.

We (Milan) are in big trouble this coming year's unless B&G do something drastic about team management and financial. i hate saying this but we should be following Juve's path ( not the match fixing part LOL ) to buy san siro or built a new stadium. In might be financially crippling now but in the long - term path we should be seeing us buying big name players if not attracting them to come to play in serie A. Berlusconi as the prime minister should had done something to change laws or reform some of the useless FIGC policies. IMO
 
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Forbes rich list
1. Manchester United - $2.235bn (£1.396bn)
2. Real Madrid - $1.877bn (£1.17bn)
3. Barcelona - $1.307bn (£816m)
4. Arsenal - $1.292bn (£807m)
5. Bayern Munich - $1.235bn (£770m)
6. AC Milan - $989m (£615m)
7. Chelsea - $761m (£473m)
8. Liverpool - $619m (£385m)
9. Juventus - $591m (£367m)
10. Schalke 04 - $587m (£365m)
11. Tottenham Hotspur -$564m (£351m)
13. Manchester City - $443m (£275m)

Found this on the bbc page. Looks like we are doing pretty well.
 

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We are so fucked .. i wont mind sacrificing ourselves for a better stadium or a better league like German league for 5-6 trophy-less years tbh.

The way we look into the club and management does is totally different, alas they are not perfect on solving the issue.

Its totally unsustainable, i dont want sugar daddys or petro dollars to make this club survive. I wont mind a mega rich owner .. but we need to change the way we work. I am just worried about our long term sustainability, we are too big a name to go down permanently but we can go down in financial drain.

I wont mind scraps and rejects, I dont have ego about milan, i only have love but we should efficiently invest, more in youth. more on scouts and stadiums, marketing and a better league, an entrepreneur like berlu knows it. but maybe milan is tool for his political image, and that purpose was fine for last 25 years. its hard to question a winning dynasty but times are changing and berlu is getting old :cry:

what after berlu what without berlu

MILAN LOST 70+M EURO'S LAST YEAR.

Who did we purchase? Sure we spent 16m on Robinho, but Ibra only cost us 6m in that year and Boateng was only paid for this year. How can we replace the seven players leaving / retiring in the next two years without going to Berlusconi for yet another capital injection?

The answer is through the two things that FFP does not include, stadium and youth academy development. I know I sound like a broken record, but the only thing that Milan can do to solve their issues is to either buy-out the San Siro (which is costing us 13m euro's a year just to rent) or build a new stadium. It would attract more viewers and eliminate the council fee for renting the San Siro. A loan could easily be taken out to finance the stadium and instead of using 13m annually to rent a stadium, we could be using it to pay off a loan so that in the future Milan own their own stadium and become more self sufficient.

fuck san siro demolish it.. and take the old horses to barn

start from the beginning ... what about a pitch with more sprinklers?
 
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Milan, increased revenues compared to 2010 04/21/2012

Milan, in the exercise from 1 January to 31 December 2011, has increased over the same period in 2010, with revenue last budget approved yesterday amounted to 266 million 811 thousand euros against 253 million and 196 thousand euros .
The cake of revenue is as follows:



30% Proceeds Audiovisual Royalties and Other Income
18% Commercial
14% Rights and International Cups European Cups
14% Sponsorships
11% Ticket Sales
9% Gains
4% Other Income.
 

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These are unexpectedly decent results actually. Expected us to lose a lot more money when Serie A changed to collective TV rights from the previous system, which was dominated by Milan, Juve and Inter.

Means we have changed the pie contributions wisely. Matchday is still too less (stadium is part of this problem), but the dependence on Broadcasting is less now, and there is a lot more Merchandizing and Sponsorship happening. The Infront partnership looks good.
 

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