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Old 19-01-2020, 23:48   #821
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No one is saying Rebic is a LM.
We are saying lets choose a tactic where Rebic can play while Hakan & Suso arent fielded.
Ss or a winger , he is better than both.
As a LM he isnt suitable but Bona or Hakan arent good enough to justify a formation that require a LM.

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Old 20-01-2020, 02:17   #822
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Maybe Leao can be our LM? That way, Piatek can pair with Ibra.
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Old 20-01-2020, 03:18   #823
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Old 20-01-2020, 04:35   #824
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0.04s - 0.05s, Ibra clearing the way for rebic was key imo, gave him an extra yard of space to dribble past
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Old 20-01-2020, 08:02   #825
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Is this serious?
I was calling for Rebic to start, as support striker, since he's not a LM.
Then at half-time, being a goal down and witnessing a relic on the left flank I said I wouldn't mind Rebic coming on for the relic(Bona) since Udinese would park the bus and Rebic would become more of a LWF.
He comes on, the team switches to 4-2 fantasia, Rebic spends even more time in the final third than against SPAL, and he scores twice in a striker manner.
Haha, no only light-hearted. But you had made this post previously which was what Hitchens had referred to:

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Agree completely on Rebic. It's mind-boggling that some here still want to see him start at LM in the next game.
I know you had him starting in front of Leao and at half time you did agree that Jack was awful and that Rebic should come on. Rebic for relic, I liked that. I also was actually in favour of not starting Rebic on the left, but Jack was even more useless than I thought as well.

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Rebic was a wing-forward, or a second-striker when he came on. If it was up to me he would've started in that position, but tbf Leao also showed he deserved to start.

If you want to know why I think Rebic at LM is a bad idea, then focus on Rebic during Udinese's equalizer. Now imagine if Rebic had been on the pitch for 85 minutes and not 40, and imagine this wasn't a home game against a bottom table team.
He might have ended up playing as LWF rather than LM but I don't really think the differentiation is such a big deal. He came on to replace the LM and we adjusted the formation to suit Rebic and he played on the left side. Yes there were problems with him tracking back but there were problems of all kinds with Jack and the are when Hakan plays too.

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No one is saying Rebic is a LM.
We are saying lets choose a tactic where Rebic can play while Hakan & Suso arent fielded.
Ss or a winger , he is better than both.
As a LM he isnt suitable but Bona or Hakan arent good enough to justify a formation that require a LM.
Yes, that is exactly the crux of it. Our squad is quite unbalanced, the second half team yesterday got all our best-performing players on the pitch (especially considering Hakan was out), the first half team had a useless Jack in it for the sake of maintaining a 4-4-2 and an in-form Rebic on the bench.

I don't know what Pioli will do now. We can call the 2nd half team a 4-2-4 if you like, although Samu was still tracking back as he did in the 4-4-2 - his role didn't change a lot so it's somewhere in between the two and also looked like a 4-2-3-1 at times and also a 4-1-4-1 occasionally, very fluid positionally as Pioli keeps saying. Anyway, if we stick with those personnel then we're really light on any replacements for the front 4 and from that showing either a lot of work needs to be done with Rebic defensively, or we need a new midfielder, or both. Otherwise we keep it in reserve for occasions like you mentioned and bench one of Leao or Rebic to play Hakan or Jack.

But I agree with what Wild says, especially Jack isn't good enough right now to be on the pitch and the formation should be such that he isn't.
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Old 20-01-2020, 08:36   #826
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The 2nd half team will get destroyed by most Serie A teams who can finish. Even Udinese could have comfortably scored 3 goals against us in the 2nd half alone. So Pioli risking that lineup from the onset would be some new level of suicidal management.

When Hakan is fit, he will always start in this Milan squad. Balance is always important for managers (rightly so).


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Old 20-01-2020, 09:07   #827
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Glad pioli put Rebic in at LM since Jack is not a LM, he has to either be a winger or an AM. Doesn't have the legs to beat his man for pace these days. That said, I know we're all loving the 4-4-2 but I truly think that if we want to get the absolute best out of this lineup we should make the switch to a 3-4-1-2, or at least run this formation when we think the middle of the field is going to be overly exposed and need more bodies in the mid.


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Old 20-01-2020, 09:22   #828
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The 2nd half team will get destroyed by most Serie A teams who can finish. Even Udinese could have comfortably scored 3 goals against us in the 2nd half alone. So Pioli risking that lineup from the onset would be some new level of suicidal management.
Yes, and they're the 2nd lowest-scoring team in Serie A.
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Old 20-01-2020, 10:25   #829
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The 2nd half team will get destroyed by most Serie A teams who can finish. Even Udinese could have comfortably scored 3 goals against us in the 2nd half alone. So Pioli risking that lineup from the onset would be some new level of suicidal management.

When Hakan is fit, he will always start in this Milan squad. Balance is always important for managers (rightly so).
Donnarumma sort of forced our hands since he literally gave them an early lead
and we had to put on the offense gear right at the start. With both theo and conti pushed up high, Kessie being a passenger and us having two slow CBs left us incredible vulnerable for counter attacks.


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Old 20-01-2020, 10:51   #830
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Donnarumma sort of forced our hands since he literally gave them an early lead
and we had to put on the offense gear right at the start. With both theo and conti pushed up high, Kessie being a passenger and us having two slow CBs left us incredible vulnerable for counter attacks.
Absolutely, it was the right thing to do yesterday.


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Old 20-01-2020, 11:15   #831
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I'd be perfectly happy with us playing the exact same team as started yesterday, but with Hakan instead of Bonaventura going forward.

Suso needs to fuck off. I'd like Paqueta to play but he puts in less of a shift than Hakan and isn't strong enough in the middle over Kessie.

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Old 20-01-2020, 18:21   #832
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Because of one good game Rebic doesn‘t become a good player. I‘m not saying to not play him but overall I‘d clearly prefer Bona as LM.
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Old 20-01-2020, 19:33   #833
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Because of one good game Rebic doesn‘t become a good player. I‘m not saying to not play him but overall I‘d clearly prefer Bona as LM.
He was highly rated with Frankfurt and is just now gaining play time. I say lets try him out . It's not like you can show anything with 10 min subs.
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Old 20-01-2020, 23:08   #834
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He was highly rated with Frankfurt and is just now gaining play time. I say lets try him out . It's not like you can show anything with 10 min subs.
Of course, I personally don't think he is a good player but yeah if he does something keep playing him. But still it is only one good game, each of the players he is competing with had at least a good game somewhere in the season.
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Old 21-01-2020, 04:26   #835
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Because of one good game Rebic doesn‘t become a good player. I‘m not saying to not play him but overall I‘d clearly prefer Bona as LM.
Bonaventura is the definition of trash. What is it with desiring mediocre players in this club and having some sort of emotional attachment to them? The guy should leave this club immediately as he isn’t good enough
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Old 21-01-2020, 21:02   #836
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Because of one good game Rebic doesn‘t become a good player. I‘m not saying to not play him but overall I‘d clearly prefer Bona as LM.
I agree that one game doesn't make a player not trash BUT to the rest of your post:

- for LM, Jack is no good (otherwise I like Jack, just not in this type of position), he cannot beat his man for pace and his workrate is low-medium = NOT A LM. That said, he is good with his feet, creative, and has a good shot. This means he needs to be further up towards goal, either LW or AM, not a RM, so for RM I definitely prefer Rebic since he has legs to run hard and beat his man as well as help out in defense which is needed for LM.

- ideally I'd like to get somebody else altogether for this spot who actually fits the role but for now we should give Rebic some more chances and see if he becomes solid given some consistency. He may not, and I wouldn't be surprised, but what do we have to lose.. if he underperforms, just put Jack there again.


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Old 22-01-2020, 14:51   #837
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He might have ended up playing as LWF rather than LM but I don't really think the differentiation is such a big deal. He came on to replace the LM and we adjusted the formation to suit Rebic and he played on the left side. Yes there were problems with him tracking back but there were problems of all kinds with Jack and the are when Hakan plays too.



Yes, that is exactly the crux of it. Our squad is quite unbalanced, the second half team yesterday got all our best-performing players on the pitch (especially considering Hakan was out), the first half team had a useless Jack in it for the sake of maintaining a 4-4-2 and an in-form Rebic on the bench.

I don't know what Pioli will do now. We can call the 2nd half team a 4-2-4 if you like, although Samu was still tracking back as he did in the 4-4-2 - his role didn't change a lot so it's somewhere in between the two and also looked like a 4-2-3-1 at times and also a 4-1-4-1 occasionally, very fluid positionally as Pioli keeps saying. Anyway, if we stick with those personnel then we're really light on any replacements for the front 4 and from that showing either a lot of work needs to be done with Rebic defensively, or we need a new midfielder, or both. Otherwise we keep it in reserve for occasions like you mentioned and bench one of Leao or Rebic to play Hakan or Jack.

But I agree with what Wild says, especially Jack isn't good enough right now to be on the pitch and the formation should be such that he isn't.
It's all about balance.

Rebic on the left in a 4-2-3-1 with 3 other attackers that don't slack in the defensive phase, a strong midfield duo and a conservative left-back? Balanced.

A front 4 that features Ibra, Leao & Rebic, an unreliable midfield duo(Kessie-Bennacer) and a wing-back at left-back? Unbalanced. A good option when you're trailing and desperately chasing goals though. Maybe also a good option from start in games against minnows if Rebic can keep this up, but if our "LM" is outscoring our second-striker(Leao) then it's probably time to bench Leao.

There are issues with Hakan as well, although not nearly as much as with Bona, who seems to have lost the tiny bit of athleticism he had. But if we're facing Roma or Lazio then I know who I'd pick for the left-midfielder spot every single time. He plays at a fast pace, he can cover a huge amount of ground like Samu and he's okay as long as you have 2-3 more dependable goal scorers than him on the pitch.


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Old 22-01-2020, 16:14   #838
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People are talking as if Rebic played LM when he came on last game, but to me, it looked more as if Rebic played alongside Ibra and Leao moved down to LM position when Rebic came on.


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Old 22-01-2020, 16:29   #839
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People are talking as if Rebic played LM when he came on last game, but to me, it looked more as if Rebic played alongside Ibra and Leao moved down to LM position when Rebic came on.
Leao moved behind Ibra and between Rebic and Samu after HT.
He spent the last quarter on the right flank, when Krunic replaced Samu.
We finished the game in a 4-2-3-1 with Krunic as CAM, flanked by Rebic and Leao.


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