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Carlos Bacca Thread
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Fusiproe12
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Yes, played very well, scored 18 goals (+ 7 assists) in the last season... leave pls... we need more Silva, Lapadula and Kalinic
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Bacca should stay. We can't get too much money for and he can be useful for us. He has different characteristics than our other strikers, which we need.
Bacca should stay. We can't get too much money for and he can be useful for us. He has different characteristics than our other strikers, which we need.
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What if, in an alternate reality, Bacca was our starting striker for this season?
Yes, I know he had a bad attitude when Montella was our allenatore, and he really wanted to go back to Spain and he dissed us from Villarreal last season.
Yes, I'm really happy we have Higuain who is unquestionably world class and the best striker we have had since Zlatan. Higuan can make his own chances, has a better attitude and is a better team player.
But it would be interesting to have a crystal ball to see how Bacca would do in a similarly zero sum mercato.
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Plizzari
Calabria Musacchio Romagnoli Laxalt
Conti Zapata Gomez Rodriguez
Kessie Biglia Mr.X1
Bertolacci Montolivo Bonaventura
Suso Bacca Calhanoglu
Borini Cutrone Mr.X2
I wonder which team would do better, considering we would have a bit of actual funds - 15m from Kalinic and 35m from Juventus who would have sold Rugani to Chelsea instead to fund their Bonucci purchase, plus 5m from Andre Silva loan and 2m from Locatelli's loan - 57m for two different players, say Promes for 25m and Mousa Dembele for 30m (sums that were thrown about, of course in real life could be transfer fees would be more expensive, players might not want to come, demand excessive salaries, signing on fees, agents fees etcetera) together with Laxalt's 3m in addition to Lapadula's 11m gives us a balance of -1m.
No wonder those football management simulation games are so popular, even though real life has so many more variables.
Anyway, I hope we achieve CL this season so we don't have to look back at "what if"s like this.
Yes, I know he had a bad attitude when Montella was our allenatore, and he really wanted to go back to Spain and he dissed us from Villarreal last season.
Yes, I'm really happy we have Higuain who is unquestionably world class and the best striker we have had since Zlatan. Higuan can make his own chances, has a better attitude and is a better team player.
But it would be interesting to have a crystal ball to see how Bacca would do in a similarly zero sum mercato.
G.Donnarumma
A.Donnarumma
Plizzari
Calabria Musacchio Romagnoli Laxalt
Conti Zapata Gomez Rodriguez
Kessie Biglia Mr.X1
Bertolacci Montolivo Bonaventura
Suso Bacca Calhanoglu
Borini Cutrone Mr.X2
I wonder which team would do better, considering we would have a bit of actual funds - 15m from Kalinic and 35m from Juventus who would have sold Rugani to Chelsea instead to fund their Bonucci purchase, plus 5m from Andre Silva loan and 2m from Locatelli's loan - 57m for two different players, say Promes for 25m and Mousa Dembele for 30m (sums that were thrown about, of course in real life could be transfer fees would be more expensive, players might not want to come, demand excessive salaries, signing on fees, agents fees etcetera) together with Laxalt's 3m in addition to Lapadula's 11m gives us a balance of -1m.
No wonder those football management simulation games are so popular, even though real life has so many more variables.
Anyway, I hope we achieve CL this season so we don't have to look back at "what if"s like this.
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No thank you.
Bacca was severely limited.
His link up play was nonexistent. His passing was worse than Zapata. His attitude was disgusting, including storming off to the dressing room when he'd been utterly garbage.
He scored some goals, fine, but we can't pretend he wasn't a negative to the rest of the team.
He put some in the net, but he also killed plenty of attacks through passing it to the opposition.
Higuain is twice as good as Bacca.
Bacca was severely limited.
His link up play was nonexistent. His passing was worse than Zapata. His attitude was disgusting, including storming off to the dressing room when he'd been utterly garbage.
He scored some goals, fine, but we can't pretend he wasn't a negative to the rest of the team.
He put some in the net, but he also killed plenty of attacks through passing it to the opposition.
Higuain is twice as good as Bacca.
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All good points.
If anything it goes to show what a good job Leo did on the market given there were such difficult circumstances.
If anything it goes to show what a good job Leo did on the market given there were such difficult circumstances.
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Excellent. But you know, for some calshio experts Silva/ElSha/Balo/Pato/Taarabt/Calhanoglu fanboys Higuain is the best, complete striker, with 16 goals last season in Serie A (1 every 176 mins) and 7 assists... Bacca with 15 goals in La Liga (1 every 167 mins) and 6 assists is toxic and severely limited
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Excellent. But you know, for some calshio experts Silva/ElSha/Balo/Pato/Taarabt/Calhanoglu fanboys Higuain is the best, complete striker, with 16 goals last season in Serie A (1 every 176 mins) and 7 assists... Bacca with 15 goals in La Liga (1 every 167 mins) and 6 assists is toxic and severely limited
Him scoring goals and him being toxic are not mutually exclusive...
He was toxic, and he scored goals.
He was also utterly inept at anything other than shooting in the six yard box.
He was severely limited, Higuain is Modric compared to him.
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Just to continue being devil's advocate :devilrea:
We've seen some of the rumoured figures of our transfer market posted in the commode which suggest a deficit of around 20m and there also are sums saved from wages as well as there is 85m to pay next year if all loan options are taken up.
This is coupled with rumours that Promes was offered to us on a loan (which we were rumoured to have declined so we could get rid of Bacca).
All this suggests that if our arrivals were limited to three - Laxalt for Lapadula and 3m and Promes on loan, we may have got a high class midfielder on expensive loan plus option - take your pick of Sergej Milinkovic-Savic (higher transfer fee, but younger), or Modric (world-class now but with shorter remaining shelf-life).
Yes probably Lotito didn't want to sell anyway, but say he did. And yes, maybe Modric only used Inter's interest to get a better paycheck for his retirement fund and he was never linked with us because his age did not fit Eliot's ideas moving forward - but let's say he wanted to come because he was a fan and his idol Paolo Maldini talked him into joining. And say Real Madrid conceded.
Would we be better off with fewer purchases but a massive signing in midfield with Musacchio or Zapata partnering Ale and Bacca upfront?
Or are we better off now with Caldara and Higuain, Bakayoko and Castillejo - all of whom I have a good feeling about, but yet our current squad just seems to lack an extra special something in midfield.
I know it doesn't help the now and I'm behind Leo and Maldini all the way but I sometimes think about these things and it's nice to hear what other fans think.
We've seen some of the rumoured figures of our transfer market posted in the commode which suggest a deficit of around 20m and there also are sums saved from wages as well as there is 85m to pay next year if all loan options are taken up.
This is coupled with rumours that Promes was offered to us on a loan (which we were rumoured to have declined so we could get rid of Bacca).
All this suggests that if our arrivals were limited to three - Laxalt for Lapadula and 3m and Promes on loan, we may have got a high class midfielder on expensive loan plus option - take your pick of Sergej Milinkovic-Savic (higher transfer fee, but younger), or Modric (world-class now but with shorter remaining shelf-life).
Yes probably Lotito didn't want to sell anyway, but say he did. And yes, maybe Modric only used Inter's interest to get a better paycheck for his retirement fund and he was never linked with us because his age did not fit Eliot's ideas moving forward - but let's say he wanted to come because he was a fan and his idol Paolo Maldini talked him into joining. And say Real Madrid conceded.
Would we be better off with fewer purchases but a massive signing in midfield with Musacchio or Zapata partnering Ale and Bacca upfront?
Or are we better off now with Caldara and Higuain, Bakayoko and Castillejo - all of whom I have a good feeling about, but yet our current squad just seems to lack an extra special something in midfield.
I know it doesn't help the now and I'm behind Leo and Maldini all the way but I sometimes think about these things and it's nice to hear what other fans think.
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We may lack a special something in midfield, but with the signings we made, we have a special something up front and in defence.
It's just moving problems from one position to another.
It's just moving problems from one position to another.
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Yeah it's just like having a small blanket. Cover your body and your toes freeze, cover your toes and can't get your body warm. But yes on the balance of things am happy the way things turned out.
Just gotta trust in the management, get behind the team and enjoy the ride.
Just gotta trust in the management, get behind the team and enjoy the ride.
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You're either a fanboy or hater around here, no middle ground
Bacca had a very good goals to shots ratio, especially in his 1st season and he has worked very hard, at least under Miha.
Stop treating him like he's some sort of Kalinic.
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You're either a fanboy or hater around here, no middle ground
Bacca had a very good goals to shots ratio, especially in his 1st season and he has worked very hard, at least under Miha.
Stop treating him like he's some sort of Kalinic.
Goals to shots is such a bogus ratio, and we all remember how many chances he fluffed because he insisted on trying a fucking rabona.
Iheanacho had an insane goals to shots ratio... look at him now, garbage.
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he did 4 rabonas with us: 1 goal (Milan-Carpi 2-1), 2 shots on goal well saved (Samp-Milan 0-1: Bacca; Milan-Palermo 3-2: Bacca x2) 1 stupid mistake (Verona-Milan 2-1).
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not only ratio, but total number too
20 G+A first season, 15 in second... not bad at all for a fisherman and by far not our worst striker or problem in recent history.
Seriously, don't see why the hate.
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His numbers weren't bad.
I do not fault that.
And he was nowhere near the worst striker we've had.
If he had the attitude of Cutrone and passable linkup play he'd be fine.
But he was ruined in my estimations when he acted like a petulant child and struggled to pass the ball 5 yards.
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he did 4 rabonas with us: 1 goal (Milan-Carpi 2-1), 2 shots on goal well saved (Samp-Milan 0-1: Bacca; Milan-Palermo 3-2: Bacca x2) 1 stupid mistake (Verona-Milan 2-1).
Rabona not allowed in srs calcio
Fans need to understand one thing. Performing a skill isn't always to show boat. Sometimes it's the only play they can do in that moment. Either to keep the move going, or in this case to score the goal without taking that extra touch. Which gives defenders and goalies time to make up the ground and get a block in.
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