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Old 19-12-2011, 14:33   #81
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I understand what you're saying.

BUT, you shouldn't underestimate the France 98 NT and Zidane was out almost the entire tournament (red card against S. Arabia I think?). That NT was ridiculously talented. Skippers like Deschamps and Desailly, young hungry players like Thuram and Henry, Petit having a hell of a tournament, Lizarazu being one of the better left backs of his generation (bar Maldini and R. Carlos obviously), the creative genius of Djorkaeff in midfield, etc... Zidane decides the final on his own, yes, but the rest of the tournament it were the other guys. Credit where credit is due.

And the France 06 NT wasn't sh*t, come one Fiero. I remember that final distinctively, and just like Gattuso said in an interview a few months after that game, I was thinking the same: "Dayyum, those guys look huge and unbeatable, what the f*ck are we gonna do against THOSE guys?". Everytime Henry or Malouda got the ball, I was totally afraid of what was going to happen. Every. Single. Time. They looked so confident, dangerous and badass. Same goes for Zidane ofcourse, who looked untouchable, he was almost floating around the pitch, totally controlling the game. And then France also had Ribery, who wasn't the player he is now, but a diamond in the rough, everybody could see that. He was a constant attacking threat. They had the experience in the centre of the pitch with Thuram, Makelele, Gallas and Viera, and Abidal was rock solid those years. Not a bad team at all, on the contrary. Zidane was the undisputed leader, but again, he had an awesome team to lead.

Singlehandedly carried his team in those two WC's you say? I have some doubts. France was a force back then.

One of the greatest and unique players ever? Yes, defintely.
98, I agree. 2006, however, I really disagree. First of all Domenech already proved to the world how clueless he is in the following tournaments. Second of all, they struggled in qualifications and needed Zizou's help, and they struggled in the group stages as well. Then in the knockout rounds, everybody expected Spain to win, but Zidane ran the show. Vs Brazil, Zidane put on of the greatest individual performances ever in a World Cup game, vs Portugal it was Zidane who scored the winning penalty, and in the final again it was him who scored for France and before his red card he almost made it 2-1 for France. No Zizou, no party.

I agree they weren't completely shit. Ribery was really good (IMO better than these days!), and Henry is the king no matter what, but they were an aging team coached by a clueless moron and it was Zidane who carried them all the way. No other player could do that.

Like in EURO 2000, they had arguably the strongest squad in the tournament, but when you look at Zidane's effect, it was huge. Scored a brilliant free kick vs Spain in the knockouts, scored the winning penalty vs Portugal in the semis as well as orchestrating all the games and pulling all the strings brilliantly.

World Cup 2002 was more or less the same squad, yet they went out of the group stages with an injured Zidane rushed to play the final group game vs Denmark. EURO 2004, Zizou scored a penalty and a free kick in the dying minutes to win the game for France after they were losing. There's many incidents that show he was a player who made the difference for his team. Not only was he the leader and organizer of play, but he was also the man that finished the job. He was the brain and the heart. Pure genius.

EURO 2008 France had the same coach and arguably the same core of players from 2 years before, but with no Zidane they went out in shame in the group stages.

This guy had everything. I repeat it again, it's an insult to compare him to any modern footballer. He was complete. A little mad, but no genius is sane. Nevertheless, he had flawless technique, unmatchable creativity, a rare intelligence, amazing leadership, and the guts to always decide the most important games.

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Old 19-12-2011, 15:41   #82
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I agree that cristiano's big game choker tag is overrated, but it is true, he completely choked against bartha last week, while messi was fighting and playing like a true WC player.

Messi being average with argentina is def. overrated, I've seen a lot of argentina games, the guy rarely ever has a bad or even average game, he always plays well, but if he's not scoring then most people will think he is having a shit game/being average.

I'm not saying he never had an average/poor game for argentina, but he plays well 90% of the time, whether he scores or not is down to his luck, because I think it's fair to say he's been unlucky at times with them.


zidane had a great france team around him and same goes for ronaldo, the team messi has around him has too many weaknesses.

Sage, you sir truly understand the beautiful game.
Not like some of these idiots.
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Old 19-12-2011, 23:46   #83
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lol@ messi getting compared to true legends like Zidane and Ronaldo. Messi isn't even in the same league with Ronaldinho ffs.


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Old 19-12-2011, 23:50   #84
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Zizou is the definition of single handedly carrying a team on the biggest occasions for almost a decade. It's an insult to him to compare him with over hyped modern day footballers that haven't done shit on the international stage.
thuram, makelele and vieira want to speak with you in private.

Personally, i wouldn't wanna be surrounded by those 3 if they're upset

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That france team conceded 3 goals in entire tourney. Zidane led attack and was leader and catalyst of entire side, but they were VERY good defensively.

none of them played in euro 2008. That was a huge thing. They missed Zidane in attack, stringing it all together. They also did not have anywhere near the defensive core they had during the prime france years (98, 00, 06)


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Old 20-12-2011, 09:28   #85
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thuram, makelele and vieira want to speak with you in private.

Personally, i wouldn't wanna be surrounded by those 3 if they're upset
Thats the typical skinny white boy living in the US mentality...

solution to the problem: take out a joint and talk shit, always works with big black dudes
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Old 05-01-2012, 04:30   #86
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Old 05-01-2012, 08:44   #87
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Old 05-01-2012, 09:21   #88
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Great video J, thanks!
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:38   #89
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I didn't really know that Zizou was such a fan of Francescoli. Never figured that his son was named after him either.

In this video he says he was his youth hero (in his time in France in the 80s) and that he tried to copy his style and moves. He meet him personally for the first time in the Intercontinental in 96... He was very happy to get Francescoli shirt - that his son dressed to sleep that night.

Francescoli kindly says it's the case of the pupil surpassing the master


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Old 12-09-2012, 06:39   #90
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dude could have easily played for 5 more years he is fit as a bull ... damn i kinda miss him

not involved 100% of the game but when he is in he is great
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Old 29-10-2013, 20:06   #92
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WTF, all 4 of his sons are now in the Real Academy

imagine a team with 4 Zidanes


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Old 22-11-2013, 02:54   #94
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Pele says Zinedine Zidane was a better player than Lionel Messi when he was at his peak but revealed he would vote for the Barcelona star ahead of Cristiano Ronaldo to win the Ballon d'Or.

Zidane lifted the World Cup and European Championship with France during his playing days as well as the Champions League and then the Ballon d'Or with Real Madrid.

Messi has been widely-heralded as arguably the greatest player of all-time having won the Ballon d'Or a record four times, but Brazil legend Pele does not share that same point of view.

He told reporters: "Individually, I think Zidane was better than Messi. Zidane was amazing and the team-mates he played with were not the same standard as Messiís; he plays with Xavi and Iniesta at Barcelona."
BS! At the time they were sum of the best players on the planet. Pele can be suck a dick.


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Zidane's so overrated... Prefer Rui

Also, he should be compared to Iniesta instead of Messi... Imo Iniesta is better, Zidane was terrible at chosing clubs

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Old 22-11-2013, 15:40   #96
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iniesta vs zidane, thats actually a very good comparison, both have won everythimg there is to win, but zidane has won the ballon dor
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Old 22-11-2013, 16:49   #97
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Kids these days
Rui Costa?
Iniesta?

Have you guys actually SEEN Zidane?
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Old 22-11-2013, 17:23   #98
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? iniesta has won the world cup, euros back to back, 2 ucls, 4 la ligas. zidane Is better I agree but the comparison isnt as one sided as u make it out to be. rui is so overrated though for sure
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Old 22-11-2013, 17:29   #99
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Kids these days
Rui Costa?
Iniesta?

Have you guys actually SEEN Zidane?
Yes, have you?

When he was best him, Figo and Rivaldo were seen as being fairly equal; he was compared to those guys, not Maradona, Cruyff or Pele. And when fat-Ronaldo wasn't injured everyone agreed that he was a level or two above Zidane,Figo and Rivaldo; I don't think he was ever the undisputed best in the world.

After WC2006 people started having a completed rose-tinted view of him as a player and started listing him as one of the absolute best players ever which he totally wasn't. Especially WC98 got revised too the narative that Zidane carreid France to through the tournament, which is bullshit. Ronaldo was the best player in that tournament, and aside from the final Zidane didn't even play that well...

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Old 22-11-2013, 18:52   #100
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such BS.... typical denmark.


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