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Old 15-05-2012, 09:51   #41
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I am willing to bet Italy will have a terrible Euros. Prandelli has been very average IMO.

Many of his call-ups (not just the recent one) are puzzling, and his tendency to use a midget forward partnership instead of a classic CF so that he wouldn't be a 'reference point' annoys me, so does using Montolivo and Giovinco at the tip of the midfield diamond.

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Every midfielder in this list has had a better season than Aquilani. Very justifiable omission.
I highly doubt that. Though I am not sure so I'll ask you this: Has Cigarini, Diamanti, Schelotto, and Verratti had better seasons than Aquilani? I haven't watched them enough to judge.

I like Diamanti but is he really NT material? And I'm aware that Schelotti is a winger. Plus Giac's inclusion is just inexplicable.

Another thing to take into consideration is that Aquilani has been a part of the NT setup over the last 2 years. It really makes no sense to exclude him now and include a majority of new faces right before the tournament. Prandelli is still stuck on basing selections over form, while NT's like Germany and Netherlands have proven that running the NT like club football works best.

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It is a solid squad, classic underdogs this time, but that's a situation that works very well for Italy.
I really think it's an incredibly average squad. The defense is just okay. The midfield is quality and has interesting options, but there's no one to play at the tip of the diamond. Montolivo isn't at his best there. But a combination of Pirlo, Motta, De Rossi, Marchisio, and Montolivo is definitely class no doubt. And the attack is definitely the worst I've seen in Italy's NT since I started watching football.

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The one guy I'd have liked to see in the squad was Quagliarella.
Quagliarella, Matri, Pepe, Mauri, Aquilani, maybe Poli, maybe Ledesma.

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The calls are based on merits, not name. Something I root for.
What about guys like Ranocchia, Giac, and Borini? Hell even Cassano and Balotelli were called up based on their name. Cassano is just back since October and Balotelli hasn't been regularly playing + broke the 'code of ethics' but I guess now when it's Euros time there it's not taken into consideration.

But don't get me wrong, I'm 100% pro Cassano's inclusion, I'm just negating your argument.
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Old 15-05-2012, 10:00   #42
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As I said earlier, Giaccherini is the only one in that squad who can provide ample width and pace.

I don't understand why you're even asking whether the others you listed had a better seasons than Aquilani. They are all key players in their respective teams. I wasn't convinced by Schelotto to be fair - they just keep saying he has amazing potential, but I havent seen it on the field. The rest have had solid seasons. Verratti is one for the future.

Also out of the players whom you've mentioned, only Cigarini plays in the same position as Aquilani. So I don't even see the comparison.

This is the 32-men squad. It is a tremendously young squad which will have no expectations. I like that.

Matri, seriously? He tried his best to ruin Juve's scudetto run with his misses. Mauri might have off-field issues related to Calcioscommesse. Let us see. Poli has played way too little.

Aquilani has played less and havent looked impressive bar his first few matches. There is nothing to suggest that he'll do well in the Euros.
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Old 15-05-2012, 10:13   #43
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As I said earlier, Giaccherini is the only one in that squad who can provide ample width and pace.
Pepe is better and had a far better season.

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Also out of the players whom you've mentioned, only Cigarini plays in the same position as Aquilani. So I don't even see the comparison.
I know but you're the one who generalized and said all midfielders. So you rather Cigarini than Aquilani?

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Matri, seriously? He tried his best to ruin Juve's scudetto run with his misses.
Name me a better Italian CF currently. They're all shit, yes. But a CF is a must. At least on the bench in case Balotelli doesn't score/gets sent off/doesn't bother showing up.

Going to the Euros with a bunch of midgets and Balotelli is suicide. Plus Maggio and Criscito/Balzaretti are crying for a CF.

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Aquilani has played less and havent looked impressive bar his first few matches. There is nothing to suggest that he'll do well in the Euros.
He's still a quality player to have on the bench. Much better than Nocerino (fuck the 10 goals, he's not going to run into the box for Italy and apart from that he does nothing else) and Cigarini.
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Old 15-05-2012, 10:28   #44
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1. Of course I'd rather play Cigarini than Aquilani. Apart from their better seasons, Cigarini has great vision as well. I really like him as a player.

2. That's the style Prandelli plays. I see nothing wrong with the lack of a CF. Many teams play without a tall CF. Why pick a Prima Punta just for namesake if he's not gonna play with one at all? Throughout qualifying, it has been like this.

3. Pepe is someone who has played for Nazionale and sucked enough. Failed experiment.
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Old 15-05-2012, 10:35   #45
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What about guys like Ranocchia, Giac, and Borini? Hell even Cassano and Balotelli were called up based on their name. Cassano is just back since October and Balotelli hasn't been regularly playing + broke the 'code of ethics' but I guess now when it's Euros time there it's not taken into consideration.

But don't get me wrong, I'm 100% pro Cassano's inclusion, I'm just negating your argument.
You're right about Rannocchia, somehow I missed him on the list. But I'm 100% sure he's the first to go, together with Astori. Only 8 defenders will remain (Maggio, Abate, Barzagli, Bonucci, Chiellini, Ogbonna, Criscito, Balzaretti/Bocchetti).

Cassano? Impressed way more since his come back than Aquilani. He contributed in a significant way in the last games of the season, whereas Aquilani was just not his usual self. Out of form and uninspired. Whereas Cassano looked motivated and hungy. His form increased rapidly game after game, he'll peak in the EURO's. That's why he's there.

Balotelli? Maybe not a starter this season, he has harsh competition, but he had a good overall season. He was pretty decisive in Man City's title with his role as super sub. Which Italian striker should've been called up instead? Did Pazzini have a better season? No. Gilardino? No. Amauri? Hell, no. Matri? Good season, but better? Doubtfull. Right choice to call Balotelli IMO.

Most Italian strikers had a bad season, hence a good choice to call up youngsters who have played a good season, they're motivated, eager to impress: Borini and Destro deserve it, although I think one will be scratched from the list (Destro).

6 or 7 midfielders will remain on that list: Pirlo, Marchisio, Nocerino, Montolivo, De Rossi, Motta and maybe Schellotto for width (or else, Cigarini). All deserve it more than Aquilani IMO. Heck, even Rigoni (Novara) or Pinzi would've deserved a call up, they have performed consistantly this season.


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Old 15-05-2012, 10:49   #46
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Borini will be off. Destro will remain. That's my guess.
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Old 15-05-2012, 10:51   #47
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[QUOTE=Fiero;1351803]Going to the Euros with a bunch of midgets and Balotelli is suicide. Plus Maggio and Criscito/Balzaretti are crying for a CF.
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Old 15-05-2012, 10:56   #48
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1. Of course I'd rather play Cigarini than Aquilani. Apart from their better seasons, Cigarini has great vision as well. I really like him as a player.
I really doubt he'll make the final 23, and even if did I hardly see him featuring.

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2. That's the style Prandelli plays. I see nothing wrong with the lack of a CF. Many teams play without a tall CF. Why pick a Prima Punta just for namesake if he's not gonna play with one at all? Throughout qualifying, it has been like this.
Yeah it's a style I don't like. I don't mind no classic CF's but I don't appreciate the support striker fetish. In a forward pairing, a support striker has to partner either a classic CF or an out and out striker. Balo is one but the rest are midget support strikers. Should have called up either Matri or Quagliarela or both. And he has used Matri and Pazzini in the qualifications. Needless to say, Pazzini already made everything possible not to be included.

Also thankfully G. Rossi is going to miss the tournament. I know you like him, but I don't.

Prandelli is kind of trying to pull a guardiola by using no one in the box, but at least he still has Balotelli. guardiola went full ****** and it cost him the league and the CL. Never go full ******.

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3. Pepe is someone who has played for Nazionale and sucked enough. Failed experiment.
Agreed. Still rather him than Giac though.
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You're right about Rannocchia, somehow I missed him on the list. But I'm 100% sure he's the first to go, together with Astori. Only 8 defenders will remain (Maggio, Abate, Barzagli, Bonucci, Chiellini, Ogbonna, Criscito, Balzaretti/Bocchetti).

Cassano? Impressed way more since his come back than Aquilani. He contributed in a significant way in the last games of the season, whereas Aquilani was just not his usual self. Out of form and uninspired. Whereas Cassano looked motivated and hungy. His form increased rapidly game after game, he'll peak in the EURO's. That's why he's there.

Balotelli? Maybe not a starter this season, he has harsh competition, but he had a good overall season. He was pretty decisive in Man City's title with his role as super sub. Which Italian striker should've been called up instead? Did Pazzini have a better season? No. Gilardino? No. Amauri? Hell, no. Matri? Good season, but better? Doubtfull. Right choice to call Balotelli IMO.

Most Italian strikers had a bad season, hence a good choice to call up youngsters who have played a good season, they're motivated, eager to impress: Borini and Destro deserve it, although I think one will be scratched from the list (Destro).

6 or 7 midfielders will remain on that list: Pirlo, Marchisio, Nocerino, Montolivo, De Rossi, Motta and maybe Schellotto for width (or else, Cigarini). All deserve it more than Aquilani IMO. Heck, even Rigoni (Novara) or Pinzi would've deserved a call up, they have performed consistantly this season.
Yeah you misunderstood my point, I wasn't arguing against Cassano's and Balotelli's call-ups.

Nocerino doesn't deserve to make the 23-man IMO. And I don't want Aquilani instead of him, he just doesn't deserve to be called up period.

Guess I'm biased towards Aquilani but most of the selections are shit and he could have made it.
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Yeah you misunderstood my point, I wasn't arguing against Cassano's and Balotelli's call-ups.

Nocerino doesn't deserve to make the 23-man IMO. And I don't want Aquilani instead of him, he just doesn't deserve to be called up period.

Guess I'm biased towards Aquilani but most of the selections are shit and he could have made it.
IMO there aren't any better alternatives than the players Prandelli called up. The team has potential, but it's definitely not the best team in the competition. I just hope Italy confirms their reputation as a team that grows in the tournament, and forget about the 2010 disaster.


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I really doubt he'll make the final 23, and even if did I hardly see him featuring.
Irrelevant, as we were discussing his merits to be in the 32 viz-a-viz Aquilani.

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Yeah it's a style I don't like. I don't mind no classic CF's but I don't appreciate the support striker fetish. In a forward pairing, a support striker has to partner either a classic CF or an out and out striker. Balo is one but the rest are midget support strikers. Should have called up either Matri or Quagliarela or both. And he has used Matri and Pazzini in the qualifications. Needless to say, Pazzini already made everything possible not to be included.
I'd much rather this style than have a useless CF around. A useless CF is the worst thing to see in football. Matri sucks.

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Also thankfully G. Rossi is going to miss the tournament. I know you like him, but I don't.
Not really. I dont like him actually. What gave you the reverse impression?
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Del Piero's 2nd vs Germany from a player-cam and overhead-cam angle. Fascinating to watch. 1:!8 onwards

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More on Verratti.



http://blogs.thescore.com/footyblog/...arco-verratti/
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milan have been on his tale.

unsure where he'd fit in allegri's system...


incredibly intriguing prospect.


His ball control, and play thru midfield (minus long balls), really reminds me a lot of iniesta.


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So is this Verratti that good?


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He seems to have great vision for someone that young, plus significantly more aggressive/physical than Pirlo.

But Juve have almost tied him up already. No chance for us.
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Looking at that video, I wonder what will happen with Insigne and Immobile. Im sort of hopping that if Lavezzi leaves Napoli that Insigne get a chance at Napoli
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He seems to have great vision for someone that young, plus significantly more aggressive/physical than Pirlo.

But Juve have almost tied him up already. No chance for us.
where are you reading that?


His ball control is outrageous. Another non-pirlo attribute. Watch him dribble and tell me you don't see iniesta-like control.
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Those qualities had been observed in the player by Milan’s scouts as early as 2008, during the player’s first year on the books of Pescara’s youth team. After a one-day trial, the Rossoneri offered Verratti a contract, only for it to be turned down by the then 15-year-old, who did not yet feel ready to leave his hometown club.

Milan never abandoned their interest, while others such as Inter, Roma and Udinese have since joined the chase, but Verratti’s preference this summer is for Juventus, the team he supported as a boy. The Bianconeri were reported to have agreed personal terms with the player as long ago as March, but have thus far failed to reach agreement with Pescara, who are said to be value the player as high as €8m and would prefer a co-ownership arrangement to any immediate sale.
It would not surprise me if we try again though. We love to pay for serie B players.


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Its has been many reports about Verrati heading towards Juventus. The deal hasnt been struck mainly because Pescara is asking alot of money for him (romoured around 10 milion €)
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Pescara's official confirmed the rumours today - Pescara dS Daniele Delli Carri:“There are negotiations taking place with Juventus for Verratti"

He'll be expensive, hence probably gonna be a co-ownership deal of some kind. Juve have enough good youth to give away as well. Notably Ciro Immobile, who can simply stay at Pescara.
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