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View Poll Results: Will Kaka belong to Berlusconi?
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Old 30-01-2016, 11:05   #23301
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'Better' refers to pretty much every footballing statistic you can think of in this case - the least subjective thing.

Whereas, what you describe as pleasing is ironically the most subjective thing.
You are confusing 'Successful' and 'Effective' for 'Better'. Cristiano has had a far more successful and more effective career than Kaka. It's an output judgement - that's what statistics make.

'Better' is something with many more layers. For me, 'better' always remain a slightly childish thing to say in a football debate. Footballers will always have their own style, circumstances, choice of clubs etc. There's no better or worse.

Pleasing is the most personal way to describe how a footballer's game has affected you. I've long since discarded attempts to compare how one player affects one against how the same player affects a different person. For me, therefore, footballers are best evaluated by how they please me in whatever aspects I like while watching football. Kaka's game pleases me a lot more than Cristiano's. And that's really all that matters to me. Not Kaka's career choices or goals scored.


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Old 30-01-2016, 11:18   #23302
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You are confusing 'Successful' and 'Effective' for 'Better'. Cristiano has had a far more successful and more effective career than Kaka. It's an output judgement - that's what statistics make.

'Better' is something with many more layers. For me, 'better' always remain a slightly childish thing to say in a football debate. Footballers will always have their own style, circumstances, choice of clubs etc. There's no better or worse.

Pleasing is the most personal way to describe how a footballer's game has affected you. I've long since discarded attempts to compare how one player affects one against how the same player affects a different person. For me, therefore, footballers are best evaluated by how they please me in whatever aspects I like while watching football. Kaka's game pleases me a lot more than Cristiano's. And that's really all that matters to me. Not Kaka's career choices or goals scored.
Then that's a definition problem.

My definition of 'better' is 'effective' and 'successful' (given the context) because I see football as a sport of W, D, and L's. That's why I could appreciate the Italian game when I started watching it over the other leagues because they emphasized the same things. Aesthetics are a different branch of comparison altogether in my view. I can appreciate both but I put way more emphasis on the former in questions of better.

(Enrique and Guardiola's Barcelona combine both aspects for me that's why they are a better club compared to other recent European winners.)

Kaka' was more aesthetically pleasing to watch than CRon. But by my definition CRon is better. (Iniesta and Messi are both more aesthetically pleasing to watch than Kaka' along with being "better".)

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Old 30-01-2016, 11:25   #23303
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If u ever play football..playing in the midle is harder than in the wing... I rate kaka higher than iniesta, because he could adapt in any system or teams.

If u dont agree, play football first.

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Old 30-01-2016, 11:28   #23304
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Isco >> iniesta

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You are confusing 'Successful' and 'Effective' for 'Better'. Cristiano has had a far more successful and more effective career than Kaka. It's an output judgement - that's what statistics make.

'Better' is something with many more layers. For me, 'better' always remain a slightly childish thing to say in a football debate. Footballers will always have their own style, circumstances, choice of clubs etc. There's no better or worse.

Pleasing is the most personal way to describe how a footballer's game has affected you. I've long since discarded attempts to compare how one player affects one against how the same player affects a different person. For me, therefore, footballers are best evaluated by how they please me in whatever aspects I like while watching football. Kaka's game pleases me a lot more than Cristiano's. And that's really all that matters to me. Not Kaka's career choices or goals scored.
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