Clarence Seedorf Thread

Dravidian · May 10, 2012

Ashish said:
NOw platini is fucked

crazy4milan · May 10, 2012

I used to have a love-hate thing for Seedorf, but came to just love during the 07 CL run, what I'm gonna say indicates he should've left earlier, but at least in the last 3 seasons I refuse to put him down on "lack of effort" considering his age and his style of game.

And in fact I don't ever think he was unprofessional in general, yes he was more motivated for bigger wednesday night games than a game vs Novara, on Sunday at 3:00 pm, it's not the best attitude to have, but I also don't believe for one second he entered the pitch with the intention to not help Milan at all. I know him + the other senatori gave their best years to Milan, and I'll always be grateful to each one of them, and eventhough some prolonged their stay more than others, I'm not happy their leaving...but after going through all the stages of grief, I'm thankful to all of them and I know this is all for the best.

Anyway for Clarence, his an amazing midfielder, and we actually got to witness his very very best performances for Milan...guess the moment I'll never forget is the 07' game vs Bayern in Munich, that was just pure dominance and class, I actually remember telling my brother earlier before that game "Seedorf is going to shine", when I saw him scoring and assisting, I remember my brother looked back at me with a "he's the man" look on his face. Thank you Clarence, and good luck dominating football at its diplomatic level :proud:

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ELMAGO99 · May 10, 2012

Sod-Lod said:
AC Milan News ‏ @Milanello

Nesta: "To start a new winning cycle, Milan must find the right people. People like Pirlo and Seedorf who have done so much for Milan."

I don't think anyone is stupid enough to deny Seedorf was a GREAT CM for AC Milan. I think at the same time one must be quite silly to think he's contributed anything of value in the last 4-5 years besides his infamous waive as he strolls off the pitch.

Pirlo was not finished but was un-motivated. Seedorf has been just SHIT for years now. He made it tough for fans to cry when he left, the way Nesta has.

Casualista · May 10, 2012

@necro
We will have to agree to disagree then.

I dont believe giving 100% and having fun and aesthetics are anti-thesis of each other. Its what i see in barcelona, juve, and even madrid to a great extent week in week out really. Their players give 100% and they play good football. This is why maybe i like Conte because he understands the value of effort as was clear from his speech and his results. He has an average team but he gets the best out of them purely because he is able to motivate them to go the extra distance which Milan did not/could not.

And there are players at milan who do give 100% every game and any player who does not does great disservice to his team mates and he undermines their effort. Its a lack of respect more than anything to the badge, ur team mates and your fan regardless of how talented you are what trophy cabinet you boast.

No 100% effort is a deal breaker for me. For the same reasons i mentioned above. Its just a character flaw.

Maybe for you now. But i remember far too clearly what pirlo at 50% looked like and what van bommel does when he is at 100%. What he did in milan derby against leonardo i will never forget.

necromancer · May 10, 2012

crazy4milan said:
Anyway for Clarence, his an amazing midfielder, and we actually got to witness his very very best performances for Milan...guess the moment I'll never forget is the 07' game vs Bayern in Munich, that was just pure dominance and class, I actually remember telling my brother earlier before that game "Seedorf is going to shine", when I saw him scoring and assisting, I remember my brother looked back at me with a "he's the man" look on his face. Thank you Clarence, and good luck dominating football at its diplomatic level .

He was absolutely on top of the world that game. His best game for us, and for me, the best performance by any player in that Champions League season.

Dravidian · May 10, 2012

ELMAGO99 said:
I don't think anyone is stupid enough to deny Seedorf was a GREAT CM for AC Milan. I think at the same time one must be quite silly to think he's contributed anything of value in the last 4-5 years besides his infamous waive as he strolls off the pitch.

Pirlo was not finished but was un-motivated. Seedorf has been just SHIT for years now. He made it tough for fans to cry when he left, the way Nesta has.

Dorf was always a BGP. He has the composure to let things work out which is needed when the nerves are jangling.

Did you see the handshake between Dorf & RVP at the start of 1st leg this year? I was sure we will win the match as soon as I saw that.

Yeah he didn't do much in the match. But right from the Handshake, Arsenal were made to feel like schoolboys out of their playground.The pitch didn't have as much to do with the result as the mental state.

He doesn't like to be benched. So doesn't Inzaghi. Rino keeps saying he feels like a 25 year old and wants to feel important. If he hadn't got the arrogance, he might not have become the great CM. It would have been great if he had been a combination of the 2. But that doesn't stop him from getting the respects of the fans. People on this forum (and possibly elsewhere) seem to attribute his slow movement to lack of motivation which might not have been the case had we been winning more matches. Eventually, he isn't a one man show and needs the team to do their bit.

It is a shame that the team wasn't properly rejuvenated. We wouldn't have been having this discussion if Seedorf just was as much a bitch & slow mover had we been winning CLs (with Dorf as a part of a more dynamic midfield)

However, Dorf has to be man enough to admit that he signed up for this dissing when he renewed his contract with a project that was not likely to win CLs.

ELMAGO99 · May 10, 2012

Dravidian said:
Dorf was always a BGP. He has the composure to let things work out which is needed when the nerves are jangling.

Did you see the handshake between Dorf & RVP at the start of 1st leg this year? I was sure we will win the match as soon as I saw that.

Yeah he didn't do much in the match. But right from the Handshake, Arsenal were made to feel like schoolboys out of their playground.The pitch didn't have as much to do with the result as the mental state.

He doesn't like to be benched. So doesn't Inzaghi. Rino keeps saying he feels like a 25 year old and wants to feel important. If he hadn't got the arrogance, he might not have become the great CM. It would have been great if he had been a combination of the 2. But that doesn't stop him from getting the respects of the fans. People on this forum (and possibly elsewhere) seem to attribute his slow movement to lack of motivation which might not have been the case had we been winning more matches. Eventually, he isn't a one man show and needs the team to do their bit.

It is a shame that the team wasn't properly rejuvenated. We wouldn't have been having this discussion if Seedorf just was as much a bitch & slow mover had we been winning CLs (with Dorf as a part of a more dynamic midfield)

However, Dorf has to be man enough to admit that he signed up for this dissing when he renewed his contract with a project that was not likely to win CLs.

Let's assume he's running as much and fast as he can. He's Slow. Along with Gattuso, Aquilani, Van Bommel, Ambrosini, there's no dynamic movement. There's VERY little creativity. Seedorf is not the player he was 5 years ago, period. Combined with an old and slow midfield and Prince being injured all of the time, it was ugly. It doesn't change the fact that he should retire. He's 36 years old.

Falkryr · May 10, 2012

Hes 36 fucking years old ... only in Meelan we have this kind of charity time for him to leave or fans will soon jeer him FUCK OFF ! like couple of his recent matches :mad:

nuttela · May 10, 2012

Goodbye Seedorf and good luck wherever you go

:proud:

Dravidian · May 10, 2012

ELMAGO99 said:
Let's assume he's running as much and fast as he can. He's Slow. Along with Gattuso, Aquilani, Van Bommel, Ambrosini, there's no dynamic movement. There's VERY little creativity. Seedorf is not the player he was 5 years ago, period. Combined with an old and slow midfield and Prince being injured all of the time, it was ugly. It doesn't change the fact that he should retire. He's 36 years old.

So totally not my point. He didn't run non-stop even when we were winning.

He obviously isn't the player that he was. The fact that an entire generation of our players declined at around the same time & we didn't replace the wingbacks or Sheva or Kaka adequately (and at the same time) meant that we never had a team to win CLs.

Each player in squad of the early 2000s had unique attributes which when meshed together formed the strong team. The first crack came when Sheva left and we didn't fill that crack immediately. Gila wasn't ready to bear the burden of leader of attack and the slide began. yes we won the CL next year - but we only had a handfull of good performances. The story repeated over the years with the cracks only widening and hence the odd good performances from out senators getting sparse.

We will never know if either he or Pirlo or Gatt individually in presence of a more mobile team would have put in great performances to win CL in spite of their decline as we never tested that out.

Had we played with such a team & won people would have been praising Dorf for his big game ability and ignoring his poor performances in the matches vs small teams.

Hopefully, we get sensible recruits now and solve this issue.

ladro · May 10, 2012

necromancer said:
I totally do not resonate with the way you view football or any other work. This is not a military drill that's happening here. This is a game that you should enjoy when you play, thereby transmitting that enjoyment to your fans. That doesnt mean you can laze around, but that also doesnt mean 100% effort is the be all and end all. I would naturally like to see players give their all on the field, but if they occasionally don't, I completely understand as they are human beings.

Motivations are key for human beings, and if Seedorf gets motivated only by the Champions League music, so be it. I would love watching him in those matches. He has been key to at least the 07 CL if not the 03 CL.

And this is a man who has won 4 Champions League trophies with 3 different teams. The top 4 teams in EPL put together does not have that kinda numbers.

What I'm saying is - 100% effort is great, but not a dealbreaker for me. If you entertain me while playing for my favourite club, and if you help the club in winning trophies, you are a legend in my eye.

And of course, one can be purely aesthetic as well. A Pirlo playing at 50% is still a far better treat to watch than a Van Bommel or a Nocerino or a Muntari playing at 100%. But that's a different discussion.

You also have to look from a economical standpoint. Milan is a club with a yearly deficit of almost 70mil. Not to mention the FFP is coming and we have to sort it out not just for the sake of able to buy better players. So milan right now simply cant afford to keep a player who doesnt perform even remotely of what is expected from someone who earns such high numbers, in the last few years i imagine his presence at the club was nothing but a financial loss. From a economic standpoint he truly made no sense whatsoever.

If he wasnt motivated and he clearly wasnt he should have drastically lowered his wages yet IIRC he earned, what, 5 mil not just a year ago.

Also if he isnt motivated then why get pissed when allegri took him off, didnt play him?

Not particularely fair to the coach or the club. He should have adjusted his salary based upon just how much will he still has to perform(obviously again thats also where galliani comes into play:-/).

Dravidian · May 10, 2012

Illadro80 said:
You also have to look from a economical standpoint. Milan is a club with a yearly deficit of almost 70mil. Not to mention the FFP is coming and we have to sort it out not just for the sake of able to buy better players. So milan right now simply cant afford to keep a player who doesnt perform even remotely of what is expected from someone who earns such high numbers, in the last few years i imagine his presence at the club was nothing but a financial loss. From a economic standpoint he truly made no sense whatsoever.

If he wasnt motivated and he clearly wasnt he should have drastically lowered his wages yet IIRC he earned, what, 5 mil not just a year ago.

Also if he isnt motivated then why get pissed when allegri took him off, didnt play him?

Not particularely fair to the coach or the club. He should have adjusted his salary based upon just how much will he still has to perform(obviously again thats also where galliani comes into play:-/).

So is he motivated or not then?

ladro · May 10, 2012

He is motivated when its time to moan and make scene after being subbed, ill give him that. :proud:

Dravidian · May 10, 2012

Illadro80 said:
He is motivated when its time to moan and make scene after being subbed, ill give him that.

Anguisette · May 10, 2012

It won't be the same without the Republic of Clarence. Never the most consistent player but brilliant on his day.

VPayne · May 10, 2012

falkryr said:
hes 36 fucking years old ... Only in meelan we have this kind of charity time for him to leave or fans will soon jeer him fuck off ! Like couple of his recent matches

gtfo

VPayne · May 10, 2012

peep said:
I'll never understand the constant defense of Seedorf. never.

That's because you are not a true Milan fan.

MilanSpecialist · May 10, 2012

Wish him the best in his next adventure and thank him for what he's done over the years for us..but nows the time to start building for the future..

peep · May 10, 2012

VPayne said:
That's because you are not a true Milan fan.

interesting.

MilanMB · May 10, 2012

I've hated this piece of shit from day one, and I'm so happy he's leaving. I'm keeping it low to not jinx anything.

in mean time, fat child is telling it how it is :thumbsup:

When he finally leaves, I can start to really enjoy Milan.

Senatore_M84 · May 11, 2012

MilanMB said:
When he finally leaves, I can start to really enjoy Milan.

yes the season of nocerino, mvb, muntari was the champagne football i was craving that clarence denied :rolleyes:

MilanMB · May 11, 2012

Senatore_M84 said:
yes the season of nocerino, mvb, muntari was the champagne football i was craving that clarence denied

Yes, when seedorf is on the pitch we see champagne football :fp:

Yoshi · May 11, 2012

tbh, the funniest things about those vids is how long he stays in the game...despite how bad he is

MilanMB · May 11, 2012

ahmedwuzhere said:
tbh, the funniest things about those vids is how long he stays in the game...despite how bad he is

bad is a compliment when it comes to seedorf

MilanMB · May 11, 2012

Best post in this forum ever... I don't understand why it's not quoted on every page in this thread.

MilanMB said:

crazy4milan · May 11, 2012

Because it's disgusting, stupid and facepalm worthy.

Hondayum · May 11, 2012

MilanMB said:
Best post in this forum ever... I don't understand why it's not quoted on every page in this thread.

It deserves a ban.

Not because I'm a big Seedorf fan, but you're comparing him to some of the most evil figures in history.

BAN!

Dottore Joey · May 11, 2012

Bleeding Vaginas are gonna bleed.

melanman · May 11, 2012

Redman10 said:
It can't be without reason though. No one else got booed almost every home game like Seedorf did. Clearly, there is something your doing wrong on the field when fans boo as consistently as they did and I don't think it racial cause there are other black players on the team throughout the years but only Seedorf suffers the wrath of the fans.

I never said anything about him being black, I said "its because he's not Italian". :thumbsup:

somebody that has given the game(Serie A)

so many years of service!!!
10(years)
you would think he would just get a little more overall respect.

Yes! he stayed to long but that was managements overall decision.

Flavio is getting a better send off and he doesnt even have 20 matches for us.

sushanmilano · May 11, 2012

Goodbye Seedorf. Thank you for some wonderful games. :proud:

Good luck in whatever you do next .

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