English Premier League Thread

[manutd fan]

Originally Posted by Kalac#16

Isn't that your players fault? Nothing to do with the media, it WAS Beckham and Beckham only's fault for the sending off, leaving us with 10 men, same thing for Rooney.

I don't actually think it was Bewchams fault as he barely connected at all with Simione. In a full 90 minutes you get tons and tons of little kicks by other players and Beckham barely even brushed him with his foot. It wouldn't have even knocked a toddler off his feet. Simione cheated there IMO.

and even if if was Beckhams fault, the treatment he got afterwards was a disgrace. Both from the media and the English fans. He was getting death threats, his picure burned in public, his head being put on darts boards, bascially everything possible to make his life a misery. Luckily for him Manutd fans stook by him, just like they did with Ronaldo.

It may have been Rooney's fault for getting himself sent off, but again the treatment of Ronaldo was a disgrace. He was the one being blamed, not Rooney. Again we stuck by him though.

Originally Posted by Kalac#16

The bit about Ferdinand wasn't any critisism at all on Rio. Infact the blame was on the ref.

I'm talking about critisism of him in general, not one or 2 particular incidents. The last year or so has seen things change but before then if ever we conceded a goal it was Rio's fault - despite the fact that he was our best player in the WC 2002(along with Nicky Butt strangely enough) + WC 2006.

Originally Posted by Kalac#16

Wes Brown gets low ratings because he doesn't do anything outstanding for England he's been solid, yes but never done anything worth decent ratings.

I'm not talking about ratings. I'm talking about general criticism.

Originally Posted by Kalac#16

Rooney gets the dramatic rating changes because it's either world class Rooney or ameteur Rooney.

Again I'm not talking about match ratings. If you go back to before the Croatia game there was talk about how "Rooney had peaked, he was in decline" ect.

The day after the game there were articles saying how Rooney was "living up to his incredible potential". Its one of two extremes for him.

Originally Posted by Kalac#16

I don't see Villa fans making anti - England chants because Vassel got criticisim for missing the deciding penalty.

I also don't see England fans all stand up saying "Stand up, if you hate Villa", wheras they often go "stand up if you hate Man U".

I've also never seen Villa players treated by the media as badly as our players have.

Originally Posted by Kalac#16

Wouldn't surprise me if 70% of utd fans "support" Spain, Brazil, Argentina. Unpatriotic, unpassionate disloyal arrogant twats, a very fair percentage of them.

Wrong. All the English support England - but why should we take crap and not give it back?

Originally Posted by radioactivenerd

Did you watch that sunday supplement a few weeks back when some idiot reporter was campaigning for gerrard to play at right back, and lampard in his usual position, cos 'you would rather have gerrard as a right back than not at all'.

Yeah I saw that It amazes me how some of these pilocks are allowed to embarass themselves in tv.

[Ashish]

Originally Posted by manutd fan

and even if if was Beckhams fault, the treatment he got afterwards was a disgrace. Both from the media and the English fans. He was getting death threats, his picure burned in public, his head being put on darts boards, bascially everything possible to make his life a misery

you should see indian cricketers after wc

[LIVERPOOL FC]

Milan confirm Agger interest

Italian giants tracking Reds defender

Adriano Galliani has revealed that AC Milan are keeping tabs on Liverpool defender Daniel Agger.

The Danish centre-back, who moved to Anfield in 2006, has been in fine form this season.

Rafa Benitez recently rubbished reports suggesting Agger wants to leave Liverpool, although the 23-year-old has yet to put pen-to-paper on a new deal.

Milan have been monitoring the situation with interest and have now confirmed that Agger is one of their targets for the January transfer window.

"We are going to sign a new defender in January, there's is no doubt about that," Milan vice-president Galliani told Denmark's tipsbladet.dk.

"We have kept a frequent eye on Agger and his situation at Liverpool and have of course noticed the problems that Agger and Liverpool have on agreeing on a new contract.

"We have a list of three or four names that could be used in the defence. Agger is one of those names.

"We will for sure make a bid for one of them in January."

Milan are rumored to be considering a bid of 7.5million (£6.6million) euros for Agger.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...619943,00.html


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HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!


Milan are rumored to be considering a bid of 7.5million (£6.6million) euros for Agger.



LMAO, they wish

20m plus pato maybe...

[Soldier]

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20 Million plus Pato?
I'll take Baresi, thank you.

[Milano84]

Originally Posted by LIVERPOOL FC

HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!


Milan are rumored to be considering a bid of 7.5million (£6.6million) euros for Agger.



LMAO, they wish

20m plus pato maybe...

oh cmon... as it stands ur prescious carragher and skrtel r first choice. We all know agger is better than carra but carra gets the starts (injuries to agger dont help) Pool is also very cash strapped.

lets give them kaladze too. Benitez almost signed him from us, and likes him. His goonish style fits the premier league....

[Kalac#16]

Originally Posted by manutd fan

I don't actually think it was Bewchams fault as he barely connected at all with Simione. In a full 90 minutes you get tons and tons of little kicks by other players and Beckham barely even brushed him with his foot. It wouldn't have even knocked a toddler off his feet. Simione cheated there IMO.

It wouldn't of, there was minimal contact, but contact all the same, he kicked back after what could of been a straight red got himself sent off and we lost. Doesn't really matter weather or not he made contact, he still did it.

and even if if was Beckhams fault, the treatment he got afterwards was a disgrace. Both from the media and the English fans. He was getting death threats, his picure burned in public, his head being put on darts boards, bascially everything possible to make his life a misery. Luckily for him Manutd fans stook by him, just like they did with Ronaldo.

You stook by Ronaldo eventually. I remember him getting booed at every match for the first few games, but the smarter fans would of realised Rooney was getting sent off before that incident anyway.

It may have been Rooney's fault for getting himself sent off, but again the treatment of Ronaldo was a disgrace. He was the one being blamed, not Rooney. Again we stuck by him though.

Tbh the media did make alot out of not that much with Ronaldo, but he's not English so, how would this spark anti -England chants?

I'm talking about critisism of him in general, not one or 2 particular incidents. The last year or so has seen things change but before then if ever we conceded a goal it was Rio's fault - despite the fact that he was our best player in the WC 2002(along with Nicky Butt strangely enough) + WC 2006.

Your best player in the WC 2002? He was at Leeds then. I seem to recall him moving to ManU after the WC. Nicky Butt was never seen as a bad player for England, one of our best then and the media knew it. When was there any criticism involving him?

Ferdinand too, i can't remember him getting much critisism, and it's not like utd players are the exception, Gerrard and Lampard have both being critisized for not giving there all, along with Cashley, every goalkeeper, Owen and Heskey (until Capello)

I'm not talking about ratings. I'm talking about general criticism.

You were talking about ratings actually, what criticism has Brown and Ferdinand got that's been harsh? Neville got it deservedly after scoring an own goal.

Again I'm not talking about match ratings. If you go back to before the Croatia game there was talk about how "Rooney had peaked, he was in decline" ect.

The day after the game there were articles saying how Rooney was "living up to his incredible potential". Its one of two extremes for him.

Because people are expecting so much of him, and he has such ability, yet for 4 months a year Rooney is invisible and how often has he put in world class performances for England? Euro 2004 and these qualifiers so far, that is all. It's one of two extremes because that reflect his England performance perfectly

I also don't see England fans all stand up saying "Stand up, if you hate Villa", wheras they often go "stand up if you hate Man U".

I've also never seen Villa players treated by the media as badly as our players have.

You're right there, Gabby's England performance was decent but nothing spectacular, yet the media made it out to be pretty special, same for Barry, though he's been consistent and gets the best out of Lamapard/Gerrard.

What have other fans got to do with you shouting anti - England stuff though?

Wrong. All the English support England - but why should we take crap and not give it back?

It's doubtful, while obviously theres no proof, theres a few that hate there own NT and gladly adopt a new country every couple of year when there playing well.

[Kalac#16]

Eboue is said to be looking for a way out of Arsenal now, would love him at Villa, would do quite well at Milan too with the way there FB's play.

[Milano84]

Originally Posted by Kalac#16

Eboue is said to be looking for a way out of Arsenal now, would love him at Villa, would do quite well at Milan too with the way there FB's play.

and the way he gets back on defense .... him + janku would be suicide fbs. sorry kaladze/bonera.. you'll have fun cleaning up there mistakes

[LIVERPOOL FC]

Originally Posted by Milano84

oh cmon... as it stands ur prescious carragher and skrtel r first choice. We all know agger is better than carra but carra gets the starts (injuries to agger dont help) Pool is also very cash strapped.

lets give them kaladze too. Benitez almost signed him from us, and likes him. His goonish style fits the premier league....

How do you know ? One of those three have always been injured, first it was Agger then when he returned it was Skrtel!

We would be mad to let him go especially for that much! If rio was worth 30m then Agger is worth double that!

Agger and Skrtel are the future of Liverpool, Carragher is getting old so you have no chance , a staright swap for Kaka and 5m (to us) and we might just listen

THATS how highly Liverpool fans and staff rate him!!!!!

[Kalac#16]

Scousers aren't the smarter people but 60mil for Agger? LOL. That's a joke. He's a quality player but 15mil right now would be about right, if he was to perform consistently well and without injuries for the rest of the season than 20mil maybe.

Agger's no better than Curtis Davies

[LIVERPOOL FC]

Originally Posted by Kalac#16

Scousers aren't the smarter people but 60mil for Agger? LOL. That's a joke. He's a quality player but 15mil right now would be about right, if he was to perform consistently well and without injuries for the rest of the season than 20mil maybe.

Agger's no better than Curtis Davies

LMAO...

[manutd fan]

Originally Posted by Kalac#16

You stook by Ronaldo eventually. I remember him getting booed at every match for the first few games, but the smarter fans would of realised Rooney was getting sent off before that incident anyway.

Not by our fans he wasn't. Go and check the first game of the season vs Fulham and check out the reception he got.

Originally Posted by Kalac#16

Tbh the media did make alot out of not that much with Ronaldo, but he's not English so, how would this spark anti -England chants?

Because he's our player. Club > Country. IMO atleast.

Originally Posted by Kalac#16

Your best player in the WC 2002? He was at Leeds then. I seem to recall him moving to ManU after the WC. Nicky Butt was never seen as a bad player for England, one of our best then and the media knew it. When was there any criticism involving him?

by "our best player" I meant as in Englands best player. The point I was making is that despite the fact Rio had proved himself to be a top player on the biggest stage he was still getting criticized.

Originally Posted by Kalac#16

Ferdinand too, i can't remember him getting much critisism, and it's not like utd players are the exception, Gerrard and Lampard have both being critisized for not giving there all, along with Cashley, every goalkeeper, Owen and Heskey (until Capello)

I'm not talking about work ethic. I'm talking about questions about players ability. I gave you an example of Rooney earlier. 1 minute he's on the decline and the next minute he's gods gift to fooball.

Originally Posted by Kalac#16

You were talking about ratings actually, what criticism has Brown and Ferdinand got that's been harsh? Neville got it deservedly after scoring an own goal.

That was Robinsons fault, not Neville. I know Robinson got a lot of the blame but Neville shouldnt have had any at all. Neville though is one of the few players who didn't get critisized too much.

You just hear what the journo's say. Like I said earlier the press seem to have accepted Rio in the last year, but before that there was always uestion marks over him - when there shouldn't have.

A good example though of when t came back for a bit was when some journo's said he shouldn't have been England captain because of the missed druggs test and because he has a few speeding tickets to his name from earlier in his career. The same Journo's wanted Terry to be captain - despite the fact that he has too been arrested for speeding + has also been in prison for beating and innocent man up and leaing him in hosptial. - Biased against Rio.

Originally Posted by Kalac#16

Because people are expecting so much of him, and he has such ability, yet for 4 months a year Rooney is invisible and how often has he put in world class performances for England? Euro 2004 and these qualifiers so far, that is all. It's one of two extremes because that reflect his England performance perfectly

A massive reason is because he has been played out of position. He can't play to his full potential if he's in the wrong position.

Originally Posted by Kalac#16

You're right there, Gabby's England performance was decent but nothing spectacular, yet the media made it out to be pretty special, same for Barry, though he's been consistent and gets the best out of Lamapard/Gerrard.

To be honest Barry is starting to grow on me slightly. I still think Carrick should be in there though

Originally Posted by Kalac#16

What have other fans got to do with you shouting anti - England stuff though?

Do you mean when we chant "Argentina!"? Thats just banter with the other fans and also to cheer for Tevez.

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[Kalac#16]

Originally Posted by manutd fan

Not by our fans he wasn't. Go and check the first game of the season vs Fulham and check out the reception he got.

Must of been a hell of alot of away fans there then, i remember watching some documentary late last season on ITV about Ronaldo, in which it showed his first few games and all the boos he were getting were fairly loud.

Because he's our player. Club > Country. IMO atleast.

Same but for the media to be writing crap about opposing players is normal, the stuff about Beckham was harsh mainly as he's Englands own but Ronaldo isn't so to me, what the English media say about him (or any other player playing against England) wouldn't make me hate England.

by "our best player" I meant as in Englands best player. The point I was making is that despite the fact Rio had proved himself to be a top player on the biggest stage he was still getting criticized.

Mostly because of the drug thing he became quite quickly hated, and just being a general arse made him look very bad, and an easy target, wasn't deserved but he didn't get much of a roasting anyway.

I'm not talking about work ethic. I'm talking about questions about players ability. I gave you an example of Rooney earlier. 1 minute he's on the decline and the next minute he's gods gift to fooball.

I seem to remember around 2 year ago when we were struggling in the euro qualifiers alot of doubts over every players ability and that they were all over rated etc, Rooney was subject to it like everybody else.

That was Robinsons fault, not Neville. I know Robinson got a lot of the blame but Neville shouldnt have had any at all. Neville though is one of the few players who didn't get critisized too much.

Weirdly enough too, IMO he's never performed at international level, not for his last 2 year there anyway, and wasn't special before that, Danny Mills did a better job until he forgot how to play football.

You just hear what the journo's say. Like I said earlier the press seem to have accepted Rio in the last year, but before that there was always uestion marks over him - when there shouldn't have.

A good example though of when t came back for a bit was when some journo's said he shouldn't have been England captain because of the missed druggs test and because he has a few speeding tickets to his name from earlier in his career. The same Journo's wanted Terry to be captain - despite the fact that he has too been arrested for speeding + has also been in prison for beating and innocent man up and leaing him in hosptial. - Biased against Rio.

Journalists are double standard pricks, that doesn't surprise me at all tbh. I'm just glad Gerrard didn't get the captaincy, otherwise i'd of stopped watching games altogether.

A massive reason is because he has been played out of position. He can't play to his full potential if he's in the wrong position.

Sven and Mclaren are to blame for that, Sven put him on his own upfront and Mclaren played him with Crouch/Defoe. Non utd fans aren't interested in that though and saw him as ridiculously underperforming.

To be honest Barry is starting to grow on me slightly. I still think Carrick should be in there though

Surprised Barry is growing on anybody to be honest, not had the best of seasons so far, for club anyway.

[Kalac#16]

The incompetent bitch that announces the Sky Sports CL results deserved to be sacked, can't even pronounce the simplest of names correctly. On top of all that she's not actually hot either, unlike Sky Sports' other presenter Georgie Thompson

[radioactivenerd]

Originally Posted by manutd fan

Because he's our player. Club > Country. IMO atleast.

You mean you would rather see Manu win a league title than see the country of your birth win the world cup? I dont want to sound offensive or rude, but i think that is shameful.

[radioactivenerd]

Originally Posted by Kalac#16

The incompetent bitch that announces the Sky Sports CL results deserved to be sacked, can't even pronounce the simplest of names correctly. On top of all that she's not actually hot either, unlike Sky Sports' other presenter Georgie Thompson

im in love with georgie thompson. i dont know why theyve banished to cover a1 gp of all things. she needs to be on tv more. well, it makes me watch a1gp. maybe thats their plan.

[Kalac#16]

Originally Posted by radioactivenerd

im in love with georgie thompson. i dont know why theyve banished to cover a1 gp of all things. she needs to be on tv more. well, it makes me watch a1gp. maybe thats their plan.

They probably realised she alone has her own fanbase, stick her on some shitty sport and the ratings will go up.

Wish she'd take Andy Gray's job, as his job requires no training or expertise in the sport what so ever, the way he does it.

[manutd fan]

Originally Posted by radioactivenerd

You mean you would rather see Manu win a league title than see the country of your birth win the world cup? I dont want to sound offensive or rude, but i think that is shameful.

The world cup is different as thats the most prestigeous football tournemant there is.
But in the case we were talking about Ronaldo was unfairly rediculed by England fans, but Manutd fans were on Ronaldo's side and were totally against the whole "lets kill Ronaldo" brigade.

I would rather Manutd win the CL than England win the Euro's, but the WC > All.

btw, not sure if its true but there was a rumour that Hargreaves is/was dating georgie thompson.

[Kalac#16]

Honestly, i'd prefer Villa winning the league over England winning the WC. Because us winning it for the first time in 28 years would be abit special AND listening to the media rant on about unstoppable England would be untolerable

[Calum1903]

I could list a lot of things that I would rather see happen than England winning the World Cup. Eating my own testicles, for example.