The Rumour Commode XXXI: The Panther Era

[Super22]

My guess is soon UEFA will realise that they cant prevent it from happening and casting out those founders team will indirectly weaken the value of their own UCL competition and money and TV rights will flow out from UCL into the Super League. They are aiding their enemy and hastening their demise. The commercial money follows the big teams and so in the end i guess Milan will still participate in Serie A and Super League. maybe the UCL too.

The wisest thing UCL can do is to retained the big teams and fight Super League for the commercial money.

 

[hopetorture]

cant wait for commercial changes in soccerLeague since its owned by clubs
it will be for better experience of fans of course.

like timeouts for coaches so they can shove 4x5 minute advertisment blocks into us? cant wait for the americanization of soccer.

 

[VooDooDoll]

Especially it also gives an opportunity to break up the strict national systems, you can have a south-central European group with teams from Italy, Switzerland, Austria, Czechia. Croatia, Serbia ... for example and play in Milan, Turin, Z?rich, Vienna, Prague, Belgrade, Zagreb ... doesn't sound that bad.

there are alerady talks about 1 leauge with belgium-holland, scandinavian league, baltic state league etc. with some basic accept from uefa.

 

[Tobinho]

I think there's a lot of negotiating to be done. I don't really know if the founding clubs do hold all the cards. If UEFA and the FAs can remove teams from domestic and UEFA competitions can the Super League really replace all of that money? Seems doubtful to me, the amount of money (debt) put in by JP Morgan doesn't even equal a single year's revenue for the 12 clubs.

Even if the Super League TV deals could equal all the TV rights those 12 clubs get from domestic and UEFA competitions could it be an increase of enough to make the risk and debt worthwhile? Or enough of an increase to actually allow massively increased transfer and salary spends? Surely it only works if the clubs can stay in their domestic leagues, otherwise the SL will need to expand immediately to keep clubs playing nearly the same amount of games they play now. And if it does rely on involvement on domestic leagues then the FAs and UEFA hold quite a lot of cards to negotiate with.


Can also see the proposed format getting quite boring. Suppose Inter for example were bottom of their group of 10 with zero points and a few games left, but they're immune from relegation while a couple of other clubs who might be 4th, 5th and 6th are battling to avoid relegation. Or suppose clubs stay in their leagues and you could have the same 3 English clubs fighting for the top places in the EPL and in their SL group, playing each other at least 4 times a year and maybe 8 or 9 if domestic cups are kept too. How dull would that be after a few years?

Just saw a segment on Sky News with the sports business analyst at Deloitte saying he doesn't see how the business makes sense with mid-week games that aren't at friendly viewing times for the US and Asian markets.

 

[VooDooDoll]

hope at least all players will kneel before first whistle.

 

[Congo Powers]

Sure, it's fun when it happens. But it's so extremely rare so you can't base an argument on it. What, we gonna have status quo just so every 15th year some small teams surprise us?

no, lets have 12 clubs play each other instead, every match will be between legendary clubs, it will be epic

 

[whiskey]

 

[beegees]

@Pingu please share the streaming link for European Super League

 

[milanheart]

Super League can easily backfire. The same teams playing against each other can become repetitive and boring. People already complain that it?s the same games in CL.

It?s already clear which teams will be at the top. Some teams will participate and get trashed every week. This will only increase the gap between the bottom and top teams. Especially in fandom.

None participating teams, fans or countries will all hate this idea because they are left out.

I always liked the cl format, even the early games. It?s the whole journey that makes you love the team. It?s more likeable and satisfying to earn your succes. Being guaranteed of a spot and fail every year makes you a joke team. I doubt you will get many new fans like this.

I was always for the super league, but this just doesn?t sound like the right way. It?s not interesting enough.

True, but i think there may be a way to reach a compromise even though its a long shot. Imagine a scenario where the best 4 teams in the champions league and the best 4 teams in the Super league compete for a single trophy, say the European super Cup. The excitement will be mind-blowing. The element of surprise will be there still.

Even smaller teams can aspire to win the tournament through qualifying from their domestic leagues. With the absence of traditional big teams, the top 4 in every country will be contested with teams that right now are midtable teams.

Now imagine a team like Atalanta getting to the semi final of the champions league and earning about ?100M. A team like Atalanta with its brilliant scouting and player development can with ?100M compete with a bigger team that earns ?300M end even upset them.

If they qualify as one of the best 4 teams in the champions league, they will stand a chance of winning the European super cup which teams from the super league will also participate in. This will be all the more exciting where the knockout stages would take the format of single fixtures at neutral venues like the world cup. Countries will even have the right to bid to host the European Super Cup finals the same way they bid to host the world cup finals.

This compromise retains the element of surprise, gives big teams the money they want and also gives smaller teams the opportunity to aspire for the ultimate trophy. Its a very good compromise that will make every happy. I doubt however that Uefa will accept it

 

[Tobinho]

The big question is how far UEFA's threats of not allowing Super League teams into their domestic league goes. If it's actually a thing, then we'll only have midweek games and domestic leagues will suffer. As someone said, viewership and fanbase numbers for these 12 clubs make up a majority share. Add in Bayern, BVB, PSG in the mix down the line and then those leagues and European competitions become worthless. Stripping clubs of titles doesn't affect history, it just makes them not want to join back at any point. If this Super League can be financed this way, what's to say the backers/someone else can't just create a new domestic league system as well? Or a new international team competition? So many questions.

If the SL clubs really were kicked out of domestic leagues and still carried on with it then they would surely move the games to weekends straight away. I'm sure the SL would then have to be expanded a lot because it can't be possible for a club to generate as much TV revenue playing maybe only 18 games in a season compared to 50+. They'd have to either expand the number of teams, or make it a single league of the 20 teams instead of 2 groups of 10 and then have cup competitions within the league as well.

 

[Charbel]

True, but i think there may be a way to reach a compromise even though its a long shot. Imagine a scenario where the best 4 teams in the champions league and the best 4 teams in the Super league compete for a single trophy, say the European super Cup. The excitement will be mind-blowing. The element of surprise will be there still.

Even smaller teams can aspire to win the tournament through qualifying from their domestic leagues. With the absence of traditional big teams, the top 4 in every country will be contested with teams that right now are midtable teams.

Now imagine a team like Atalanta getting to the semi final of the champions league and earning about ?100M. A team like Atalanta with its brilliant scouting and player development can with ?100M compete with a bigger team that earns ?300M end even upset them.

If they qualify as one of the best 4 teams in the champions league, they will stand a chance of winning the European super cup which teams from the super league will also participate in. This will be all the more exciting where the knockout stages would take the format of single fixtures at neutral venues like the world cup. Countries will even have the right to bid to host the European Super Cup finals the same way they bid to host the world cup finals.

This compromise retains the element of surprise, gives big teams the money they want and also gives smaller teams the opportunity to aspire for the ultimate trophy. Its a very good compromise that will make every happy. I doubt however that Uefa will accept it

You think CL can afford to give that money out if the big 12 are not playing?

 

[Tobinho]

@Pingu please share the streaming link for European Super League

www.jpmorgan.com

 

[Pingu]

Mourinho sacked by Tottenham

Right before Super League

 

[bacon d'or]

can a cl participant earn 100m from cl if the big clubs aren't there?

 

[Nevermore]

Mourinho sacked by Tottenham

Right before Super League

How dare they, after Mourinho dragged them into ESL

 

[Neo'82]

Milan would be the peasant club in the Super league with the lowest social media following. The disparity between clubs will still exist within the new structure. It's basically a popularity contest that further bankrolls the existing commercial giants. Powered by greed.

 

[Super22]

I support this move. Fuck UEFA! And these leagues think they can threaten clubs with banning them from domestic competitions?
Let's see how La Liga does without Real, Barca, and Atletico. How Seria A does without, Milan, Juve, and Inter. EPL where the biggest clubs left would be West Ham and Leicester.
350 million into Milan's coffers just to start this thing? And hundreds of millions more each year? This is the way

That right! who stand to lose more if Milan, Inter and Juve are kick out? Can they even afford to kick us without having their TV rights plunging. And where does this tv rights money goes to? the super league.

They are in denial but soon they will come around. My bet is Milan will still continue in the Serie A.

 

[Tobinho]

You think CL can afford to give that money out if the big 12 are not playing?

Also if the CL would continue and be played on the same midweek days as the SL then how much can TV revenue really be for the SL?

Under the current announced set up it would still be possible IMO for the CL to have more watchable games than the SL on occasion, especially if Bayern and PSG didn't join straight away. Those 2 playing a knock-out tie could for sure still be more appealing than SL games in a basically already decided league among teams you've already seen play each other multiple times that year.

So CL games wouldn't be worthless for broadcasters, and they can only show so many games at once.

 

[milanheart]

can a cl participant earn 100m from cl if the big clubs aren't there?

In this case, the Super league should make some solidarity payments towards making the champions league attractive enough. They could agree to contribute to the prize money to make it a little better for the remaining participating teams in the champions league

 

[Charbel]

Also if the CL would continue and be played on the same midweek days as the SL then how much can TV revenue really be for the SL?

Under the current announced set up it would still be possible IMO for the CL to have more watchable games than the SL on occasion, especially if Bayern and PSG didn't join straight away. Those 2 playing a knock-out tie could for sure still be more appealing than SL games in a basically already decided league among teams you've already seen play each other multiple times that year.

So CL games wouldn't be worthless for broadcasters, and they can only show so many games at once.

I think you are overestimating the worthiness of CL without those teams. But if it does go through as it is, I think part of it will have to do with how long either tournament can remain before it is not sustainable.

 

[MilanMB]

no, lets have 12 clubs play each other instead, every match will be between legendary clubs, it will be epic

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[MilanBG]

can a cl participant earn 100m from cl if the big clubs aren't there?

CL money will drop with 90% once the big clubs leave. Everybody is there because of the big clubs. No serious sponsor cares about Atalanta or Shakhtar and their small fanbases. UEFA and FIFA have absolutely no leverage.

Same for the domestic leagues. Why would any TV company pay big money to broadcast PL when the biggest games are Everton-Southampton and Leicester-Leeds? Domestic leagues will commit suicide if they do kick out the big clubs. No league can afford to do it. After the current TV deals expire they will quote them 1/5 of what they used to. The clubs will go bankrupt in 2-3 years. They are not that stupid. They will all kneel before the Super League. It is inevitable.

UEFA are just mad they got fucked over money. They are used to control all the money in European football and now out of nowhere they are left with like 10-15%. Nobody owes them anything. The big clubs have every right to make their own league and nobody can stop them. We just need the domestic leagues to realize it and everything will be fine in 1-2 months.

 

[MilanMB]

The winner of future CL should get an invitation to ESL.

 

[milanator]

What is also interesting is that it could mean different playing rules. For example the FIFA change of the offside rule that's coming up could backfire enormously if the Super League doesn't adapt it and it turns out to be shite.

 

[bacon d'or]

In this case, the Super league should make some solidarity payments towards making the champions league attractive enough. They could agree to contribute to the prize money to make it a little better for the remaining participating teams in the champions league

that's interesting

but I think the whole point of establishing esl is to not share anything with the smaller clubs

 

[MilanMB]

What is also interesting is that it could mean different playing rules. For example the FIFA change of the offside rule that's coming up could backfire enormously if the Super League doesn't adapt it and it turns out to be shite.

what change

 

[milanator]

what change

https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/football-offside-rule-proposal-arsene-wenger-7220405/

Not completely through yet but it is in the making.

It would mean that an attacker can be almost one step ahead of the defender as his back heal can put him onside.

 

[Shiby]

I don't know but you think Chinese and Indians are supporters of their domestic clubs or European clubs? They have no football culture in those countries.

This is so ignorant that its brilliant

 

[King George]

My prediction :

With 12 teams committing, it should be enough to make seria a, la liga and epl irrelevant, and create a pathway for other leagues and CL to the same inevitable outcome regardless of any pushback by uefa or domestic league authorities.

The remaining large clubs refusing to join will face the harsh reality that money will dry up soon. Sooner or later they will also have to change their business model to be a feeder club to the super league teams. They can't hold on to talents because the incentive to play in CL against big teams has been stripped off. They also won't make enough money to be able to retain talents.

The new reality for the super league will be quite similar to the nba in the sense that all the best talents in the world will want to compete in the super league for the money and prestige. The role for other leagues will only be to identify and supply talent to the super league. If teams like bayern/psg won't commit, they will end up like fenerbahce or some euro basketball club supplying luka doncic to the nba.

The only way super league doesn't move forward is if uefa bends over and give more money to the clubs.

 

[brk]

Silver lining: Parma probably won’t get relegated anymore so Conti won’t be coming back.