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OneUnited 12-07-2011 21:21

I actually forget that they sponsor the league. Capitalist pigs.

Ashish 12-07-2011 21:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senatore_M84 (Post 1044813)
I have a different theory on it. Serie A is stone age cause of finances mostly. Today the van basten's desailley's of there time would go to epl cause of money.

Serie A teams have been forced to try to find players otherways....
be it finding a steal like players from regions less scouted, take advantage of market opportunitieS (like zlatan/robinho... or etoo/sneijder or... huntelaar :) ), or using older players with class and attempting to scheme a way to make up for there declining physical nature.

It's all tied back to money

agree but not completely

talent mehhhh
shit laws
shit administration
cheaters all around
mad bosses
and then stupid marketing strategy
Fetish for geriatric players :o he can play till he dies rule :lol: exemplifying lippis lattest team
stupid fans ... napoli fans going berserk in a train station :star:
Serie A is shit .. god if only they took Milan to another league :lol:

Senatore_M84 12-07-2011 22:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashish (Post 1044866)
agree but not completely

talent mehhhh
shit laws
shit administration
cheaters all around
mad bosses
and then stupid marketing strategy
Fetish for geriatric players :o he can play till he dies rule :lol: exemplifying lippis lattest team
stupid fans ... napoli fans going berserk in a train station :star:
Serie A is shit .. god if only they took Milan to another league :lol:

true the system of developing sucks when you compare to germany who have found how to build a higlhy competitive league without heavy spending.

unfortunately, italy hasn't because until recently they were the big spenders, so they just bought what they needed.

it comes down mostly to money. 10 years ago a kid like Sanchez would have been bought up by milan, inter or jube.

Today he's going to epl.

teams like arsenal, man utd can take gambles on big time prospect players like ronaldo, nani, nasri (all who showed themselves in smaller leagues) for fees in 16-20 euro realm.

Milan has to pull its teeth to pay that much for anyone, and when they do, they better be proven.

Now that italy doesn't have the money they need to find different ways, like german model.

TheWire 13-07-2011 01:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashish (Post 1044866)
agree but not completely

talent mehhhh
shit laws
shit administration
cheaters all around
mad bosses
and then stupid marketing strategy
Fetish for geriatric players :o he can play till he dies rule :lol: exemplifying lippis lattest team
stupid fans ... napoli fans going berserk in a train station :star:
Serie A is shit .. god if only they took Milan to another league :lol:

Arsenal most expensive signing is only 13m, rather miniscule compared to Chelsea,ManU,Pool etc.

PL is a brillant comp for developing foreign talent, bit of a shame the local lads are overrated and appalling. "It's not as if we have an incredible group of players coming through. Whoever takes over will have a tough job." Harry Redknapp on the U21 squad. Don't understand why Harry has been lambasted in the media for making such comments, is he making it up? English football excel at mediocrity

The Serie A has the legacy and the talent to overcome all challenges and will one day reclaim the top of the throne. Clear as day the Brits are lacking emotionally, physically, and mentally. Haye and Murray are perfect recent examples of this. The Brits are great at the arts, but terrible at sports.

Senatore_M84 13-07-2011 01:09

nasri cost 14 mil pounds (17.8 mil euros).

Arshavin cost 16.5 mil pounds ?

TheWire 13-07-2011 01:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senatore_M84 (Post 1044986)
nasri cost 14 mil pounds (17.8 mil euros).

Arshavin cost 16.5 mil pounds ?

I thought Arshavin was 12mil with add ons. Hard to believe that Arshavin is more expensive than Henry, Fabregas, Vieira,Bergkamp etc. like a transfer from bizarro world.

Consider Villa and Spurs have traditionally spent more in recent years, i think Le Arse have done a stellar job

manutd fan 13-07-2011 01:42

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Originally Posted by TheWire (Post 1044995)
I thought Arshavin was 12mil with add ons. Hard to believe that Arshavin is more expensive than Henry, Fabregas, Vieira,Bergkamp etc. like a transfer from bizarro world.

Consider Villa and Spurs have traditionally spent more in recent years, i think Le Arse have done a stellar job

Different market to be fair. 12M now worth much more than now than it was15 years ago.

neutral 13-07-2011 09:19

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Originally Posted by manutd fan (Post 1044999)
Different market to be fair. 12M now worth much more than now than it was15 years ago.

Other way around? 12M now worth much less than it was 15 years ago?

Footiefan 13-07-2011 10:33

Obviously. 3.5Million got you Keane 20 years back and it can get you 1/5th of Henderson now :D

Ash 13-07-2011 10:35

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Originally Posted by neutral (Post 1045095)
Other way around? 12M now worth much less than it was 15 years ago?

I think what ManUtd fan meant is that the market is way more inflated now. 12m 15 years back would get you someone like Kaka or Ronaldo. Now that amount wont even get you a Witsel....

neutral 13-07-2011 11:36

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Originally Posted by Ash (Post 1045148)
I think what ManUtd fan meant is that the market is way more inflated now. 12m 15 years back would get you someone like Kaka or Ronaldo. Now that amount wont even get you a Witsel....

Yes so he did write it the wrong way around. Thats what i thought ;)

Edit : Lol @ Ac Milan for being an option to win the PL..

Footiefan 13-07-2011 11:58

Riise signed for Fulham..

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Fulham confirm the signing of former Liverpool defender John Arne Riise on a three-year deal.

Sage 13-07-2011 12:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Footiefan (Post 1045184)
Riise signed for Fulham..

great signing for them, quality LB.


Roma are idiots.

Ash 13-07-2011 12:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sage (Post 1045197)
great signing for them, quality LB.


Roma are idiots.

Honestly!

Do those idiots really expect some kid who just had his first full season in La Liga last year to tear it up in Serie A?

Atleast could have kept Riise as a backup :o

And is Didac more highly rated than Jose Angel?

Sage 13-07-2011 12:27

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Originally Posted by Ash (Post 1045204)
Honestly!

Do those idiots really expect some kid who just had his first full season in La Liga last year to tear it up in Serie A?

Atleast could have kept Riise as a backup :o

And is Didac more highly rated than Jose Angel?

who the fuck is jose angel? :lol:

Ash 13-07-2011 12:31

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Originally Posted by Sage (Post 1045207)
who the fuck is jose angel? :lol:

Roma's new LB and Riise's replacement. Signed from Sporting for 4m euros

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%...el_Vald%C3%A9s

Barcelona were after him also...

And he is backup to Didac in the Spanish U21 team...

Sage 13-07-2011 12:35

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Originally Posted by Ash (Post 1045209)
Roma's new LB and Riise's replacement. Signed from Sporting for 4m euros

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%...el_Vald%C3%A9s

Barcelona were after him also...

And he is backup to Didac in the Spanish U21 team...

Never seen him play, but both ways its stupid to let riise go, hes only 30 and its very hard to find a proper FB these days.


Sabatini is a good sporting director though, so angel might have the right qualities.

Ash 13-07-2011 12:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sage (Post 1045212)
Never seen him play, but both ways its stupid to let riise go, hes only 30 and its very hard to find a proper FB these days.


Sabatini is a good sporting director though, so angel might have the right qualities.

I think he is more of a Luis Enrique signing...

KujaIX 13-07-2011 13:16

He's pretty good on FM, I hear. :D

acmilan4ever 13-07-2011 13:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ash (Post 1045204)
Honestly!

Do those idiots really expect some kid who just had his first full season in La Liga last year to tear it up in Serie A?

Atleast could have kept Riise as a backup :o

And is Didac more highly rated than Jose Angel?

Angel is more highly rated than Vila, whether he actually is better than him or not in the serie A remain to be seen.

Riise was so damn awful for them, specially in the CL.

They also signed Loic Nego [20] who is a highly rated RB in France.

It will be interesting to see Enrique's back up plan should Angel flop...

Edit: Just read that they've agreed for and with Carlos Kameni as their new GK. Another import from Spain.

LimerickMilan 13-07-2011 13:34

J A Riise was good player about 3 years ago.

manutd fan 13-07-2011 16:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by neutral (Post 1045095)
Other way around? 12M now worth much less than it was 15 years ago?

Yeah, my bad.

Charbel 13-07-2011 16:44

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Hammers open to Parker loan

West Ham would be open to loaning out Scott Parker for a season and then having him back if they win promotion.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,20876_7034918,00.html


Quote:

Corinthians won't up Tevez bid

Corinthians president Andres Sanchez insists they will not raise their offer for unsettled Man City star Carlos Tevez.
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,,20876_7034418,00.html

neutral 13-07-2011 17:18

Lol @ Barton, cant go to America.

manutd fan 13-07-2011 19:29

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Originally Posted by neutral (Post 1045362)
Lol @ Barton, cant go to America.

Neither can Ravel Morrison. Serves them right for being twats.

neutral 13-07-2011 20:08

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Originally Posted by manutd fan (Post 1045435)
Neither can Ravel Morrison. Serves them right for being twats.

Also for police record?

Dunno if any of you know about the videos Hargreaves has put on youtube to prove he is fit.




Ash 14-07-2011 00:11

Quote:

Liverpool agree fee with Aston Villa for Stewart Downing

Jul 14, 2011 12:20:00 AM

Liverpool have confirmed on their official website that they have agreed a fee with Aston Villa for winger Stewart Downing.

The Anfield side were understood to have had a £15 (€17m) million offer for the England international turned down earlier this summer but have now come back with an increased bid to land their man.

Arsenal reportedly made an enquiry for the winger but Downing favoured a move to Anfield with Kenny Dalglish keen to add to his growing English contingent following the January arrival of Andy Carroll and the summer acquisition of Jordan Henderson.

New Aston Villa boss Alex McLeish was keen to keep Downing after losing Ashley Young to Manchester United within days of joining the club, but the midfielder is now free to discuss terms with Liverpool after they agreed a reported fee of around £20m (€22.7m).

Liverpool have also recently completed the signing of former Blackpool midfielder Charlie Adam, who made his debut in a 4-3 friendly victory over Guandong in Asia on Wednesday.

The signing of Downing would take the club's summer spending far beyond the £40m (€45m) mark as they aim to mount a challenge on the top four next season.
:fp:

Is Comiolli the dumbest DS in football or what, dude has overpaid for almost every player they bought. And what is with Dalglish's English fetish?

Carroll - 35 million pounds

Henderson - 20 million pounds

Adam - 9 million pounds

Downing - 20 million pounds

The only one worth the money is Suarez, who ironically is the ONLY one who isnt English...

:lol: :lol: :lol:

hdcantona 14-07-2011 00:13

Adam is scottish, and was 6.5 million pounds which is a good deal, agree with the rest though - 75 million for Carroll Downing and Henderson is laughable

acmilan4ever 14-07-2011 04:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ash (Post 1045680)
:fp:

Is Comiolli the dumbest DS in football or what, dude has overpaid for almost every player they bought. And what is with Dalglish's English fetish?

Daglish is building a good squad albeit the project is proving to be expensive. It wont matter if they secure top 4 though and they certainly can if they sign a defender, a top class CB will go a long way for them.

As for Comolli, he is actually a pretty good DS, just that he overpays quite a bit - the players he gets usually do end up performing well - Kolo Toure at Arsenal, Bale, Modric, Berba and a host of players at Spurs. Even hyped some Saint Etienne talent and made them a good buck. This is by far the biggest project and more money, he just needs to learn to control and negotiate better - time will tell if all the expensive domestic imports pay dividends.

acmilan4ever 14-07-2011 06:40

Tottenham's Luka Modric puts in transfer request to force Chelsea move
• Croatian stuns Spurs while on tour in South Africa
• Midfielder's request follows Spurs' rejection of £27m bid

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...equest-chelsea

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Liverpool's Conor Coady excels in China in absence of Steven Gerrard
• Liverpool youngster stars in win over Guangdong Sunray Cave
• Steven Gerrard remains focus of locals' adulation on tour

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...-gerrard-china

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West Ham want £4m to loan Scott Parker to Chelsea for season:lol:
• Chelsea need short-term cover for injured Michael Essien
• 'We'll loan him and he can return when we are promoted'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...st-ham-chelsea

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Wesley Sneijder could join Manchester United from Inter Milan for £35m within the next 48 hours after agreeing personal terms of £190k-a-week.

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/tran...#ixzz1S3UY2Ucp

necromancer 14-07-2011 06:46

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Originally Posted by acmilan4ever (Post 1045916)
As for Comolli, he is actually a pretty good DS, just that he overpays quite a bit

That's not being a good Director actually :tongue: As a director, your primary responsibility is in getting 'deals' done - not in pricing everyone out of a market.

For talent scouting, every top club has good scouts. I'm sure all these guys Comolli has signed were known to the scouts of other clubs too.

Comolli seems to be lucky that he is with owners who don't mind overpaying.

acmilan4ever 14-07-2011 07:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by necromancer (Post 1045939)
That's not being a good Director actually :tongue: As a director, your primary responsibility is in getting 'deals' done - not in pricing everyone out of a market.

For talent scouting, every top club has good scouts. I'm sure all these guys Comolli has signed were known to the scouts of other clubs too.

Comolli seems to be lucky that he is with owners who don't mind overpaying.

Sometime you just cant get the deal done without giving in to overpaying, usually in the case of English domestic talent. I mean are Henderson and Jones really each worth 20m quid?

Even our very own Galliani couldn't bring down the price of Criscito in January. Also now hes using youngsters to take of the silly 15m price tag for Ogbonna who plays in the Serie B. El Shaarawy was pretty expensive if you consider the value of that deal, i think its the case in most leagues.

Leo is probably going to be just like Comolli is he starts targeting domestic talent ;)

I dont blame these guys, they do a great job, best possible way that they can.

neutral 14-07-2011 12:22

The press are obsessed with Sneijder to Man Utd. Inter have denied it, Sneijder has denied it and Fergie has denied it yet they still going on about it.

Kalac#16 14-07-2011 14:14

Jesus Villa are going to struggle next year.

necromancer 14-07-2011 14:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by acmilan4ever (Post 1045947)
Sometime you just cant get the deal done without giving in to overpaying, usually in the case of English domestic talent. I mean are Henderson and Jones really each worth 20m quid?

Even our very own Galliani couldn't bring down the price of Criscito in January. Also now hes using youngsters to take of the silly 15m price tag for Ogbonna who plays in the Serie B. El Shaarawy was pretty expensive if you consider the value of that deal, i think its the case in most leagues.

Leo is probably going to be just like Comolli is he starts targeting domestic talent ;)

I dont blame these guys, they do a great job, best possible way that they can.

I'm not sure you got what I meant. A director of sport in a football club is somewhat like a sales/purchase strategy head in a regular firm. Primary responsibilities include a) Targeting what the club needs to buy/sell and b) Doing these sales shrewdly.

Comolli does part a) quite well.

Now, I'm not judging whether Liverpool is overpaying or not - but you said they are. Which was why I said he's not a great Director then, since he's not so successful at part b, which is a crucial part of his job.

If you feel Henderson, Downing etc can't be bought for less than that in the current English market, then Liverpool are not overpaying actually. That IS the market rate and Comolli is doing a decent job. So it's just a matter of semantics.

As for Criscito, Ogbonna, El Shaarawy etc, forget all that. I don't believe most of these market rumours. Believe me, 90% of these things you hear are speculation and not verified. I would be very surprised if we were ever interested in Criscito - not at all an Allegri type player :)

hdcantona 14-07-2011 15:01

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Originally Posted by neutral (Post 1046004)
The press are obsessed with Sneijder to Man Utd. Inter have denied it, Sneijder has denied it and Fergie has denied it yet they still going on about it.

watch this space ;)

Kalac#16 14-07-2011 15:05

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Originally Posted by hdcantona (Post 1046045)
watch this space ;)

You're rumoured to be interested in DDR too, for a variety of reasons that'll never happen but somebody like him should be an absolute priority for Utd.

necromancer 14-07-2011 15:11

Gokhan Inler could have been a very good signing for Man Utd. btw.

milanpalermo23 14-07-2011 15:18

Man United Fan--------

What is your take on the Sneijder to Man United deal???? All English reports are saying its a done deal......yet Branca, Gasperini, and Sneijder himself have all said that he is staying at Inter.

manutd fan 14-07-2011 16:09

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Originally Posted by MILANpalermo23 (Post 1046056)
Man United Fan--------

What is your take on the Sneijder to Man United deal???? All English reports are saying its a done deal......yet Branca, Gasperini, and Sneijder himself have all said that he is staying at Inter.

99.9% sure that he won't be joining.


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