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Old 21-04-2021, 07:29   #28921
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Old 21-04-2021, 07:37   #28922
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This was such a shit show from the start.

They clearly needed 15 teams to even have a hope of pulling this off. Bayern, PSG and Dortmund not signing up = this was dead before it even started. No representation from Germany or France.

But they went with it anyway. With "12 members signed up, and 3 more top clubs expected to join." How exactly were Bayern, PSG, Dortmund going to be persuaded? What was the plan, guys??? In particular how the fuck were Bayern and Dortmund going to be expected to be persuaded considering the 50+1 rule and obviously no German fans would sign up for this?

Without Germany or France it was always dead on arrival. But they just said "fuck it, we'll do it anyway!" Idiots.

Oh and also they clearly didn't expected even 25% as much backlash as this plan received... Especially in England. Caught totally off guard.

This has to be one of the BIGGEST fiascos in the history of sport and business.
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Old 21-04-2021, 07:43   #28923
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"Rest of Europe has 1 dream, to destroy the superiority of the EPL. ESL is basically that idea." - Arsene Wenger, on bein sports, 13th Feb 2021

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7uq4hq6VdY

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Old 21-04-2021, 07:44   #28924
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All those pages and comments from the past 2 days here.. lol.
Going with the hype train, while we have an important match today


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Old 21-04-2021, 07:47   #28925
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Old 21-04-2021, 07:51   #28926
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Shut the fuck up, you're not that smart.

If they say tomorrow, coffee beans are actually white, people will believe it.

Anyway, back to reality.

according to il Corriere della Sera (via MilanLive) the Rossoneri management are ‘continuing to cultivate a different market dream’ and a potential free transfer too in Memphis Depay.

He is a very technical and dynamic player and not really an old-style centre-forward but a converted winger who has shown that his movements have enough to more than trouble teams. Paolo Maldini hopes to convince the Dutchman to join Milan as the player has decided not renew his contract.

There are two obstacles, the first being the high salary requested by Depay, who at Lyon already receives about €4.3m net per season and will certainly expect a higher figure from his next team. Then, there is the competition from elite clubs like Barcelona.

However, Milan could still convince him with a tempting project, especially in case of qualification to the next Champions League. He would be able to rotate with his former team-mate Zlatan Ibrahimovic to ensure an attack of quality for next season.


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Old 21-04-2021, 08:10   #28928
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"Rest of Europe has 1 dream, to destroy the superiority of the EPL. ESL is basically that idea." - Arsene Wenger, on bein sports, 13th Feb 2021

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Old 21-04-2021, 08:16   #28929
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They knew that UEFA couldn't do anything, but didn't calculate that goverments can get invloved and create restrictive laws.
If EPL clubs start shedding more money or their debts catch up to them, it may change
And this is the part that is what is absolutely shit about it.

Governments actively working to create a monopoly for UEFA and FIFA.

While the ESL was obviously flawed and anti competitive, what happens when the next time a genuine and sane breakway plan is cocked up but blocked again due to government interference.

Are folks really gonna say with a straight face that the ESL is worse than UEFA and FIFA? arguably some of the most corrupt organisations in the world. Atleast the ESL were straight up about what their intentions were, even if sugarcoating it.

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Old 21-04-2021, 08:22   #28930
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And this is the part that is what is absolutely shit about it.

Governments actively working to create a monopoly for UEFA and FIFA.

While the ESL was obviously flawed and anti competitive, what happens when the next time a genuine and sane breakway plan is cocked up but blocked again due to government interference.

Are folks really gonna say with a straight face that the ESL is worse than UEFA and FIFA? arguably some of the most corrupt organisations in the world. Atleast the ESL were straight up about what their intentions were, even if sugarcoating it.

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Old 21-04-2021, 08:29   #28931
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And this is the part that is what is absolutely shit about it.

Governments actively working to create a monopoly for UEFA and FIFA.

While the ESL was obviously flawed and anti competitive, what happens when the next time a genuine and sane breakway plan is cocked up but blocked again due to government interference.

Are folks really gonna say with a straight face that the ESL is worse than UEFA and FIFA? arguably some of the most corrupt organisations in the world. Atleast the ESL were straight up about what their intentions were, even if sugarcoating it.

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What are you talking about? What was blocked? They could go and form the league and play their hearts out. The league wasnt blocked, what was blocked was EPL clubs participating in the national league.

You cant expect them to shit and spit on EPL and over all UK cities and expect them to get away with it. Did you really expect that the politicians wont do anything? If there ever was a reason for politics to get involved in sports this was it.

Fuck sitting on both chairs. You either play by our rules or GTFO. Noone said they cant go. But if you are going to play in our league you will respect the rules of rewards and relegation. Fuck ESL. Rather watch Milan getting 7th place for next 10 years than cheating our way and drown the importance of Seria A with it.


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Old 21-04-2021, 08:30   #28932
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Italian TV presenter Piero Chiambretti claims a massive shake-up is due Inter Milan.

Despite appearing champions-elect Inter face losing both the coach and general manager this summer, claims Chiambretti.

Speaking on Tiki Taka, he declared: "Giuseppe Marotta could return to Juventus, whilst Antonio Conte could return to England.

"I have my own informants in Turin who gave me the news."
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Old 21-04-2021, 08:31   #28933
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UEFA and FIFA are corrupted money whores to their bones. So was ESL. That's the truth. One could pick a side, there were many good points made for both sides.

But stop pretending this whole fiasco was "the poor people vs. the rich bad entities". It's not. One corrupted money shit show won over the other because it did a better job at manipulating folks into believing their doing it for them.
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Old 21-04-2021, 08:35   #28934
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If this whole plan would be organized together with the domestic leagues it would maybe work and everyone would support the new league against UEFA.

But rich boys wanted to form a closed league with a pitty party award for a few outthere. Wanted to form a league where domestic competitions wouldnt matter anymore and still they had the guts to say that they want to participate in the leagues. Getting money from both sides while skyrocketing the market value of one and drowning the value of other toghether with all other domestic clubs. Its a spit to the face for every league, club and fan.

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Learn to spell properly first and instead of a dyslexic 5 year old child before giving others advice.

I couldnt give two shit about the ESL. It was just another money grabbing ploy from the rich in a series of them.

But folks make me laugh when make it seem as if it was some rich vs the poor scenario where the poor prevailed. It wasnt. It was just a bunch of corrupted assholes going against each other and a game to see who blinked first.

There was one reason and only one reason to support the ESL. And this is to fuck UEFA and FIFA over.

Unless there are some radical changes made to football, this game will be dead and buried beforw long.



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UEFA and FIFA are corrupted money whores to their bones. So was ESL. That's the truth. One could pick a side, there were many good points made for both sides.

But stop pretending this whole fiasco was "the poor people vs. the rich bad entities". It's not. One corrupted money shit show won over the other because it did a better job at manipulating folks into believing their doing it for them.
Nothing to do with UEFA/FIFA.

This was an attack on our sovereignty.


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Would people still support the ESL if we were qualifying year in year out into the CL? Probably not. The only reason why people support this is the reasont that we have been a badly run club with no vision.

And that is our fault and not enough of a reason to form a superleague and forget our history and heritage and play 70min long games so 16 year old kids can follow.

We?ve been shit and now lets slowly move on from there in a reformed system that worked for us before.


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Well this has been a rollercoaster of the last two days. Just give us money UEFA, and support your clubs, fuckers.


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Old 21-04-2021, 09:01   #28939
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Would people still support the ESL if we were qualifying year in year out into the CL? Probably not. The only reason why people support this is the reasont that we have been a badly run club with no vision.

And that is our fault and not enough of a reason to form a superleague and forget our history and heritage and play 70min long games so 16 year old kids can follow.

We?ve been shit and now lets slowly move on from there in a reformed system that worked for us before.
The problem is not only because we were badly run.
The current system is bad, look at the debts of all clubs. That is not ok to have billions of debts with revenue close to 0.
With current system, one year out of CL and you are fucked.
Let's see what happens in a few years, but if nothing changes, there will be bankruptcies and crisises.
Clubs are run badly, so they had a plan how to fix it on their own. Now what? Governments will help those clubs? Same fans who were against SL will cry that it's not fair

Would like to see how players and coaches would react when agent fees and salaries are capped

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Would people still support the ESL if we were qualifying year in year out into the CL? Probably not. The only reason why people support this is the reasont that we have been a badly run club with no vision.

And that is our fault and not enough of a reason to form a superleague and forget our history and heritage and play 70min long games so 16 year old kids can follow.

We?ve been shit and now lets slowly move on from there in a reformed system that worked for us before.
It's been a badly run club by the two previous owners, B&G and then Yonghong Li. Yet the current owners who are doing tremendously well given the circumstances and the miserable events who lead to them taking over got a maxi punishment.

How is being punished for another's failures just in your eyes?

I could get behind the idea that some kind of punishment had to be done... Maybe a lifetime ban for the old owners from any kind of football activities. Burry them under a sick load of law suits that makes them bleed even more money.

But nope, Yonghong is chilling in China and Silvio enjoying his Monza, while the ones who payed are the ones who had nothing to do at all with said failures.

Again: how's that just?

UEFAs idea of justice is odd. It's to install a system that makes sure that who's rich stays rich and who's trying to climb the latter has to do it under such severe restrictions that it's close to impossible. And if they try nonetheless and the taken risk doesn't pay back, what's the punishment? Widening the gap even more by taking them away the one and only real possibility to actually close that gap.

It's not that far from ESL, really. How many times did a little poor club win the CL in the past 20 years? Porto once? And then? Where is that ominous but often mentioned meritocracy in all of this?

Sure, ESL is flawed af and probably not even that much better. But as long as no one takes a stand against UEFA and FIFA people will realize soon enough that what they were fighting for in the last 48 hours has already died long time ago.
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