AC Milan's Financial Situation Thread

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if we were to build a stadium ...capicity????
55000 sounds good

milan regularly attracted 60k a game before 2 years ago. And if you go back to mid90s it was 70k a game.


blaah milan desperately need there own stadium BUT it's so hard to wanna leave the san siro. Too much history
 

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milan regularly attracted 60k a game before 2 years ago. And if you go back to mid90s it was 70k a game.


blaah milan desperately need there own stadium BUT it's so hard to wanna leave the san siro. Too much history

yup but thats partly the reason for our current state ..living on pass achievements..granted you cant just forget but we should atleast progress
 

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yup but thats partly the reason for our current state ..living on pass achievements..granted you cant just forget but we should atleast progress

progress doesn't mean smaller stadium when you have the ability to sell out a larger one.

Each seat= more revenue
 

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It's a disgrace that Silvio spends hundreds of thousands on women to keep his affairs secret and buy them presents. Yet our beloved club suffers. The ultras are right, he must leave!!!

the man made this club this big, it his money its his club and its his whores, we can only hope for a better future


san siro is our home, city mincipality should fuckoff from there along with snakes
 

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the man made this club this big, it his money its his club and its his whores, we can only hope for a better future


san siro is our home, city mincipality should fuckoff from there along with snakes

Milan was a big club before Berlusconi ever came along. I do not give a damn what he did for the club 10 years ago, or even 3. He is in no position to own a football club right now, so we as the fans can demand that he sell.
 

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Milan was a big club before Berlusconi ever came along. I do not give a damn what he did for the club 10 years ago, or even 3. He is in no position to own a football club right now, so we as the fans can demand that he sell.

you have the right to demand and he has every right to say FUCK OFF
 

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He can say that, but if you want to say that to the curva... go ahead
 

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He can say that, but if you want to say that to the curva... go ahead

lol he is pm of a country he hold entire commie back,lol curva is only a bunch of football fans they are not even close to roma nazio or napoli ultras

berlusconis is hugely underrated in ths forum
 

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lol he is pm of a country he hold entire commie back,lol curva is only a bunch of football fans they are not even close to roma nazio or napoli ultras

berlusconis is hugely underrated in ths forum

No one is doubting his power, can you read? The point is that I don't rate him as a PM and I don't rate him as a football owner (anymore). This is a discussion forum, and I'm free to state what I want (which I would wager most agree with)
 

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Top Ten: Largest Football Club Sponsorship Deals Steve Chappell Posted on: 22/02/2010

Top Ten: Largest Football Club Sponsorship Deals
Steve Chappell; Posted on: 22/02/2010 - 09:42


Sponsorship, especially in the form of logos on jerseys, has become a part of football culture. Think of Liverpool FC in this generation, for example, and it is difficult not to see swirly white letters spelling “Carlsberg” on Robbie Fowler’s or Steven Gerrard’s shirt. But football sponsorship, of course, offers much more than sentimental or aesthetic value.
In an increasingly dicey financial era for football clubs, precious few can claim to be safe from potential disaster. Even the richest and most powerful clubs in the country are burdened with debt and astronomical wage bills. Sponsorship deals are a crucial source of income for football clubs, and the clubs that associate themselves with the highest bidders will have a better chance of surviving a tumultuous time in a dangerous business. For sponsors, football can be an extremely effective boost for brand recognition.
Here are the 10 highest grossing deals to date: -

1. Manchester United and Nike - £302.9m over 13 years
The biggest of all club-level football sponsorship deals was agreed in 2002 between Nike and Manchester United. Nike replaced Umbro as United’s kit provider, agreeing to pay United a staggering £302.9m. The mammoth deal involves control of United’s global licensing and retail operations shifting to the sportswear company, while the football club will share half of the profits, provided that they stay in European football and finish in the top half of the league. It is hard to see them failing to do that in the near future.

2. Juventus and Tamoil - £165m over 10 years
At the time of its agreement, in 2005, the potential ten-year shirt naming rights deal (worth £75m over the first five years, and £90m if renewed for the next five) between Juventus and Libyan-owned oil company, Tamoil, was claimed to be the biggest in football history. However, it was penned little more than a year before the calciopoli corruption scandal exploded in Italy. Juventus, deemed the guiltiest of many guilty parties, were banished to serie B, and Tamoil promptly called a halt to their support for la vecchia signora. The Turin club had managed to recoup only £24m from the before the deal was called off.

3. Barcelona and Nike - £131 over five years
For over a century, Barcelona had refused to be tempted by the potential benefits of displaying a commercial logo on their kits. In 2006, rather than caving in, they decided to donate the front of their shirts to UNICEF, the children’s charity. Not only that, but they pay over £1m annually for the privilege. Just as well that, soon afterwards, they managed to secure a very favourable deal with their kit manufacturer, Nike, worth over £26m per year. This was at once a masterful PR coup and a refreshingly generous act by the European champions.

4. Chelsea and Adidas - £100m over 10 years
Chelsea have been accused of underperforming in the league table for sponsorship revenue. Certainly, the deal with shirt sponsors Samsung, while recently renewed and improved, still falls short of providing the Blues with revenue similar to that generated by Liverpool and Manchester United’s new deals. In 2006 the then chief executive Peter Kenyon negotiated the £10m per year contract with Adidas. It wasn’t all good news, though. Chelsea had five years left of a contract with Umbro, and getting out of it cost them £24.5m.

5. Arsenal and Fly Emirates - £100m over 15 years
So far, the biggest naming rights (as opposed to kit manufacturer) deal likely to be realised is between Arsenal and Dubai-owned airline Fly Emirates. It is worth a massive £100m, and includes naming rights on Arsenal’s shirts as well as their new state-of-the-art stadium. It may not, however, be the best deal as far as the club is concerned. Announced in October, 2004, it lasts 15 years, earning Arsenal a relatively unimpressive £6.7m per year. Relative, that is, to the yearly sponsorship income of rival top-four clubs Chelsea, Liverpool and Man United.

6. Liverpool and Standard Chartered Bank - £81m over four years
If Liverpool are failing to compete for the Premier League title, at least they are more than holding their own in sponsorship revenue, even if this comes at the expense of their long-standing relationship with Carlsberg. At the beginning of next season we will see an end to Liverpool’s 18-year association with the lager, whose logo has become synonymous with the club’s red (and green, yellow, white, black and beige) football shirts. Standard Chartered will fork out over £20m every year for pride of place on the Reds’ jerseys.

7. Manchester United and Aon Corporation - £80m over four years
United’s current four-year deal worth £58m with American insurer AIG lasts until the end of the current season. After being crippled by a liquidity crisis, and receiving a £109bn US government bailout, AIG decided not to renew their partnership with United. It worked out well for the Premier League champions, who managed to switch to an even more valuable sponsorship with another American insurance group in the form of Aon Corp. The Aon logo will appear on the shirts next season, since the AIG-sponsored shirts for 2009/10 had already been manufactured by the time the agreement was made.

8. Bayern Munich and Deutsche Telekom - £72m over three years
It is hard to know the precise figures for this one, since the deal is said to be highly performance-related. Still, last year’s runners-up in the Bundesliga, Bayern, could potentially receive more per year from Deutsche Telekom than Manchester United and Liverpool will from their recent deals. After speculation that car manufacturer Audi was prepared to come in with a huge £90m bid, Bayern eventually accepted an offer from Deutsche Telekom and kept the company’s T-Home brand name on their shirts. The renewed German partnership is set to last until the end of the 2012/13 season.

9. Real Madrid and Bwin - £54.9m over three years
If anyone needs a good sponsorship deal, it’s the team that recently forked out the world record transfer fee of £80m for Cristiano Ronaldo. And the Galacticos haven’t had the best of luck. The club agreed a deal in 2006 with Taiwanese mobile phone company, BenQ, reportedly worth more than Juventus’ Tamoil deal a year earlier. BenQ, though, soon went bankrupt and called an end to its sponsorship. Austrian betting provider Bwin began sponsoring Real Madrid in 2007. In September of last year the deal was extended, and is now worth an estimated £18.3m per year until 2013.

10. AC Milan and Fly Emirates - £52m over five years
After Paris St Germain in France, Hambourg in Germany, Arsenal in England and Olympiakos in Greece, Fly Emirates has recently announced a huge new sponsorship deal with the Rossoneri. Emirates are fast becoming the biggest name in football sponsorship, and this deal will be worth at least £52m, plus performance-related bonuses, according to AC Milan Vice president Adriano Galliani. Galliani also insisted that there are no plans to rename the San Siro, which I’m sure comes as a relief to Inter fans.
 

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Special Report Football Team Valuations 04.21.10, 06 + Most Valuable Football Teams

Special Report Football Team Valuations 04.21.10, 06:00 PM EDT

Rank--Team-------------------Country---CV1($mil)--D/(%)2----1-Yr V.Ch(%)---Rev($mil)----Op.In.3($mil)
1__Manchester United________England___1,835______46________-2___________459________150
2__Real Madrid______________Spain_____1,323______54________-2___________563________130
3__Arsenal_________________England____1,181______41________-2___________369________102
4__Barcelona_______________Spain______1,000______0_________4___________________513________113
5__Bayern Munich___________Germany___990________14________-11__________406________61
6__Liverpool________________England____822________47________-19__________304________37
7__AC Milan________________Italy_______800________0_________-19__________276________41
8__Juventus________________Italy______656________3__________9__________________285________57
9__Chelsea_________________England___646_________8_________-19__________340________-73
10__Inter Milan______________Italy_____413_________0________12___________________________276________-14
11__Schalke 04______________Germany__384________50________-25__________175_________-7
12__Tottenham Hotspur_______England___372________29________-16__________186_________35
13__Olympique Lyonnais_______France___333________10________-21__________196_________5
14__Hamburg SV_____________Germany__329________0_________0_______________________________206_________41
15__AS Roma____Italy_____308_________0_________-19__________205_________25
16__Werder Bremen___________Germany__274_______0_________-6___________161_________24
17__Olympique Marseille________France___262_______0_________9________________________________187_________19
18__Borussia Dortmund________Germany__261_______32________-20__________145_________8
19__Manchester City__________England___258_______0________-17__________143_________-56
20__Newcastle United_________England___198_______8________-30__________142_________-49

Revenues and operating income are for the 2008-09 season, converted into U.S. dollars based on June 30, 2009 exchange rates.
1 Value of team based on past transactions and current stadium deals (unless new stadium is pending) without deduction for debt (other than stadium debt).
2 Includes stadium debt.
3 Earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization, player trading and disposal of player registrations.
All figures are Forbes calculations except for revenues, which come courtesy of Deloitte LLP's Football Money League report.


The Business Of Soccer
Edited by Peter J. Schwartz, Paul Maidment and Michael K. Ozanian, 04.21.10, 06:00 PM EDT
Clubs with a global reach have a big advantage over their rivals.



Most Valuable Soccer Teams

The world's 20 most valuable soccer clubs took a kick on the shins from a stronger greenback last year.

From June 2008 to June 2009 the euro and pound fell 11% and 17%, respectively, relative to the dollar. As result, the top 20 clubs have an average enterprise value (equity plus net debt) of $632 million vs. $691 million a year ago. The 8.5% decline equates to a $1.2 billion aggregate loss in value. Absent the conversion to U.S. dollars the clubs appreciated in value--2.7% in euros and 10.7% in pounds. Our team values are calculated using revenue (excluding player transfers and dispositions) multiples based on historical transactions.

Operating income (earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization) fell for our top 20 from an average of $50 million to $32 million. But the bigger concern is the growing bifurcation in profitability among Europe's elite clubs. The five richest teams (Manchester United, Real Madrid, Arsenal, Barcelona, Bayern Munich) earned $556 million, an operating margin of 24%. The five poorest teams (Newcastle United, Manchester City, Borussia Dortmund, Olympique Marseille, Werder Bremen) lost a combined $54 million on revenues of $778 million.

Video: ManU Reigns Supreme
Look closer and it becomes clear that the wealthiest clubs have a big advantage over their competitors because they are global brands, which allows them to generate more revenue outside their home market from sponsorships, merchandise and broadcasting.

The prime example is Manchester United, the most valuable club in the world, worth $1.84 billion. Man U's Club TV Channel is shown in over 192 million homes. The club claims 333 million followers and 139 million core fans. Beginning next season Man U will have a new shirt sponsorship with Aon ( AON - news - people ) that will bring in $34 million a year over four years, 50% more than its current deal with AIG ( AIG - news - people ). The Nike ( NKE - news - people ) swoosh will continue to adorn the shirt as well thanks to a 13-year pact with the apparel maker that pays the team $470 million plus a 50% share of profits on specific merchandise through 2015. Man U posted operating income of $150 million last year, the most of any team, while their media revenue of $164 million was tops in the English Premiership. Despite the club's huge success on the pitch since Malcolm Glazer bought them in 2005, the locals are unhappy with the $839 million of debt Glazer has saddled the club with and are hoping to raise enough money to buy him out.

Another English club with a strong following outside the United Kingdom is Arsenal, ranked third on our list at $1.18 billion. The club has been embroiled in a takeover battle the past three years with American Stanley Kroenke, who now owns 29% and appears to have outgunned rival owner Alisher Usmanov. Kroenke also controls two major U.S. sports teams--the Colorado Avalanche and Denver Nuggets--and has an option to increase his 40% stake to 100% in a third, the St. Louis Rams. Arsenal boasts the highest match day revenue (gate and concessions), $165 million, save Man U. The club reached the semifinals of the Champions League and FA Cup last season helping it to post operating income of $102 million.

Most Valuable Football Teams

Real Madrid's strategy has been to load its roster with marquee players. The club also spent the most on players--$510 million last season (transfer fees and salaries), including the purchases of Cristiano Ronaldo and Kaka for a combined $222 million.

Real, worth $1.32 billion, is the second most valuable club and pulls in more revenue than any other squad, $563 million. Real's media revenue increased $35 million last season to $226 million, also highest in soccer.

The club's seven-year contract with Mediapro, the Spanish broadcaster, guarantees them a total of $1.5 billion through the 2013-14 season.

Real's sponsorship revenue rose $14 million last season, to $195 million.

Barcelona has made tremendous strides the past few seasons both on the pitch and in our rankings. Last season the club won the Spanish title, Champions League and FIFA World Club Cup.

Barcelona rose from seventh to fourth on our list and is now worth $1 billion.

As a result of its great season on the pitch, Barcelona's broadcasting revenues went up $59 million, to $222 million.

The club achieved its stellar results with a relatively modest payroll. Reward: operating income of $113 million, third most on our list.

Outside the top five on our list, the Italian clubs are making the strongest push on the pitch and to expand internationally.

Instead of continuing to negotiate individual broadcasting deals, the teams are going to negotiate as a league for the contract that begins next season, hoping to increase its revenue and expand its coverage outside of Italy.

Juventus, a club at the center of a match fixing scandal in 2006, rose 9% in value and is now worth $656 million, eighth on our list. The Old Lady, as the team is known in Turin, jumped ahead of money-losing Chelsea in our rankings.

Juventus' broadcast revenue increased $36 million last year, and the team posted operating income of $57 million.

Rival Inter Milan, on the heels of its fourth consecutive domestic championship, increased its value 12%, the most of any club on our list.

Inter is now worth $413 million, good enough to be ranked tenth.

The teams at the bottom of our list have little reach outside their local markets. Manchester City and Newcastle United posted operating losses of $56 million and $49 million, respectively. With a value of $258 million, Man City, despite a succession of foreign owners, is in free fall. Two-thirds of their stadium revenue goes to the city council, which financed the stadium for the 2002 Commonwealth Games.

In Newcastle, owner Michael Ashley has been trying to get out but has been unable to find a buyer. Newcastle was relegated from the premiership and is now playing in the second-flight Coca-Cola ( KO - news - people )

Football League Championship, though it will be back in the top-flight for the 2010-11 season. As a result, the club will likely see revenue decline this year much more than the 14% drop it experienced last year.

The club's $198 million valuation marks the first time that the 20th ranked team on our list has been worth less than $200 million since 2007.
 

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Milan CEO Adriano Galliani Underlines Need For New Stadia In Italy
Galliani wants new stadiums as he looks at the German model...
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Milan CEO Adriano Galliani has raised fresh questions over Serie A's stadia, and he is ready to pull out all the stops to help develop ideas for new venues.

Milan and Inter currently pay €8.2 million per annum to rent the Giuseppe Meazza stadium, which is owned by the local authority.

But Galliani has highlighted the need for transition to club-owned stadia - a common feature of thriving Bundesliga and Premier League sides - as he looks at the socio-economic angle.

"Our stadiums are old and uncomfortable. Look at Bayern Munich for example, since they built a new stadium their revenue has increased by €60m,"
Galliani told the press.

"I understand that it's comfortable for the council to make us and Inter pay rent, but if we want to compete we have to change perspective.

"A new stadium is essential for a club that wants to compete in future."
 

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Milan CEO Adriano Galliani Underlines Need For New Stadia In Italy
Galliani wants new stadiums as he looks at the German model...
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Milan CEO Adriano Galliani has raised fresh questions over Serie A's stadia, and he is ready to pull out all the stops to help develop ideas for new venues.

Milan and Inter currently pay €8.2 million per annum to rent the Giuseppe Meazza stadium, which is owned by the local authority.

But Galliani has highlighted the need for transition to club-owned stadia - a common feature of thriving Bundesliga and Premier League sides - as he looks at the socio-economic angle.

"Our stadiums are old and uncomfortable. Look at Bayern Munich for example, since they built a new stadium their revenue has increased by €60m,"
Galliani told the press.

"I understand that it's comfortable for the council to make us and Inter pay rent, but if we want to compete we have to change perspective.

"A new stadium is essential for a club that wants to compete in future."

Isn't AC Milan Consultant Present an Idea to Evolve and Develop San Siro into Arina one, which Milan & Inter can share it wisely and in smart way, I remember that as i posted from like couple weeks.

I don't Like to change our stadium to other, I would support the Consultant Idea as it is wise and more efficiency.
 

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thats the issue. Milan NEED to own there stadium, end of story, it's way too much money they are losing.....

but they dont wanna give up history. They have wanted to buy san siro and renovate BUT city council isnt interested in selling cause they make more this way. Collecting 16 mil in rent a year (plus other events)
 

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So if inter fucks off with their stadium what will city muncipal do?? Still play the hard ball? Anyway we cant spent 500 million on a new stadium now. We need to eventually get a new stadium but not now, cause we are living like a beggar.

San siro is our home and has too much history, if we have some good times we should outrightly ask city council to sell us the stadium if they dont do that tell them to fuck off and build a new one. Let them shove the stadium in their arse with no team playing there , what will they do with it? Live concerts? DOnt worry Italy is not going to host any decent international tourney unless they sort out shit at home.

right now qw have only one option thats is rent the stadium, we cant afford to spend 500 million cause management is not ready to pump money, we dont know how much debt we have accumlated unless berlusconi sells the club.

In our club there is no transparency thats the most irritating thing.
 

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thats the issue. Milan NEED to own there stadium, end of story, it's way too much money they are losing.....

but they dont wanna give up history. They have wanted to buy san siro and renovate BUT city council isnt interested in selling cause they make more this way. Collecting 16 mil in rent a year (plus other events)

Have you ever know the Mayor of Milan is Letizia Moratti and she is in B's PDL campaign? I believe she can make the Consult Idea come true; If Milan and Printer buy the San Siro and then, evolve & develop it and share the benefits that would be a good Idea aka Allianz Arena in Germany "TSV 1860 München" & "Fußball-Club Bayern München e. V."
 

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printer is building their own stadium because fossil fuels are going to get extinct in a while. Morrati actually have a brain
 

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printer is building their own stadium because fossil fuels are going to get extinct in a while. Morrati actually have a brain

Not any more, the idea is disappeared, before a Year you can read the plan to build the Stadium in Printer official website; Now they removed from like 6 to 7 months.
 
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how much(more ) money are we getting from the new Lega Calcio system from next year on????

Thats going to be the important thing in any plans. Besides as has been pointed out lack of transparency by the club hierarchy makes it difficult for us to have an idea of what the club actually wants us to do.

My personal opinion, we need to get our own stadium so we can reap the benefits of having a sold out stadium.
 

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Galliani did a good job with the keeper position.

Out
- Dida, 4 million wages
- Storari, 0,8 million wages and 4,5 million transfer
- Roma, 0,4 million wages.

In
- Abbiati, 1,8 million wages
- Amelia , 0,8 million wages, no transfer money
- Coppola, cheap?

Younger, quality at least the same, cheaper, 3 italians & it didn't cost us a thing. We earned some money.
 

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Well, i remember Berlusconi's annoying daughter said the money we got from players we sold may be used for other transfers. So Storari's money is a bonus :)
 
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