Andriy Shevchenko Thread

[sprengersma]

I don't think AC Milan job will be his first club in his coaching career, but it could be after he gets experience as coach.

why not its not the first time why hire a coach with almost no exp

 

[Sheva 7]

Christian Vieri ‏@vieri_bobo : IL CAPITANO , BOMBER SHEVA , BOBO A NEW YORK .. In NY with captain Maldini And Sheva ( 8 hours ago )

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[Soldier_of_god]

Damn vieri has become a bit chubby haha. Sheva is a god. One of the Greatest strikers ever.

 

[Massaro94]

I started following sheva closely after the 1-1 at Wembley between Arsenal and Kiev. Then we went and signed him. He delivered everything we wanted. Killed Inter in the semi of the UCL and then buried the pen past that cheating buffon. The best compliment I heard off one of my inter pals was that sheva was the best 2 footed striker.

I do believe if Sheva had played for another nation then he would get more recognition... probably win a few more awards.

That being said... all bs aside. R9 was phenomenal. Not saying one was better than the other... but I remember watching him in that one season at Barca. 19-20 year old blowing away the opposition. close to 50 goals in one season... that too with an awful barca that was still recovering from the 4-0 loss to Milan. The same Inter pal said about Ronaldo that R9 would take the shortest route to goal. Which wasmore often the most difficult. There are many factors which lead to a club winning titles. R9 cannot be at fault for this... he delivered the goals... but more often than not he had teams with bogus defences.

That video leaf posted was fun at first... then it turned to heartbreak seeing R9 destroying Milan defenders.

It's be a tough choice if i had to pick one... but if i did then most probably it would be sheva... not cos he better. Rather he is one of our own.

 

[Soldier_of_god]

Sheva destroyed barca and madrid when he was young too. Just saying.

 

[Allan_Sombrero]

Sheva scored some incredible goals as well. I'll never forget this one against Juventus back in 2001.

Even when he was 35 years old he scored two headers in Euro 2012 (1 on Ibra as well).

 

[Jivara]

I started following sheva closely after the 1-1 at Wembley between Arsenal and Kiev. Then we went and signed him. He delivered everything we wanted. Killed Inter in the semi of the UCL and then buried the pen past that cheating buffon. The best compliment I heard off one of my inter pals was that sheva was the best 2 footed striker.

I do believe if Sheva had played for another nation then he would get more recognition... probably win a few more awards.

That being said... all bs aside. R9 was phenomenal. Not saying one was better than the other... but I remember watching him in that one season at Barca. 19-20 year old blowing away the opposition. close to 50 goals in one season... that too with an awful barca that was still recovering from the 4-0 loss to Milan. The same Inter pal said about Ronaldo that R9 would take the shortest route to goal. Which wasmore often the most difficult. There are many factors which lead to a club winning titles. R9 cannot be at fault for this... he delivered the goals... but more often than not he had teams with bogus defences.

That video leaf posted was fun at first... then it turned to heartbreak seeing R9 destroying Milan defenders.

It's be a tough choice if i had to pick one... but if i did then most probably it would be sheva... not cos he better. Rather he is one of our own.

Ronaldo is the better individual

Shevchenko the better team player

 

[Sorriso Sempre]

what would be your choice for the best striker in the last 30 years??

mvb, r9, sheva, romario, weah, henry, batiigoal??

 

[Massaro94]

@ Swagger.... As much as i love sheva.... that Barca side was a disgrace lol. Instead of saying he destroyed em... better to say he banged in a hat trick at the camp nou.

I agree with the Real destruction.... but you're missing 1 or 2 important points. None of that was even remotely possible without Rebrov.

@ Jivara.

In other words. Ronaldo could do it on his own (and he did more often than not)... where as Sheva needed others to help him get goals

@ Allan .... I absolutely love that goal.... San Siro was built for such wonderstrikes... Couple of things make it even more special. Juve forked out a record transfer fee for a gk.... then our soviet comrade fires in a rocket to beat him from such a distance lol

But this was Ancelottis first game vs juve after beig sacked by them

El Principe that is a hard task... especially as 4 of those players wore the red n black, and another was an Argentine legend.

 

[Soldier_of_god]

what would be your choice for the best striker in the last 30 years??

mvb, r9, sheva, romario, weah, henry, batiigoal??

very tough. For our current milan team, i will pick prime r9.
for carlo's milan, sheva hands down.


btw who would you pick; weah or romario or henry??

 

[Allan_Sombrero]

what would be your choice for the best striker in the last 30 years??

mvb, r9, sheva, romario, weah, henry, batiigoal??

I asked my old man this question (since he's seen all of them play in their prime) and he said he would go with Van Basten. He said MvB was the most complete European striker he had seen and a very clutch player. Great shooting with both feet, great touch and ball control, very good dribbling skills (though not on the level of Ronaldo or Romario), creative, great header, great positioning, and he knew how to volley the ball extremely well. However, speed wise he is not as fast as some of the guys on the list but overall a more complete player and a very smart player.

Despite his ankle injuries he was able to win 3 balon d'ors and 2 WPOY. Shame his career was cut short and that ankle injury was too persistent for him to maintain his high level.

As for the players I've seen I would go with Shevchenko because of the aerial ability he has over R9. They are both about the same level but I just prefer a forward who can head a ball well too since in certain situations it can decide the difference between a win and a loss.

 

[Soldier_of_god]

weah is very underrated as well. He is like drogba and etoo fused into one player. I would put him on par with sheva and r9.

 

[A milan fan]

One of the most memorable moments I remember was when we played lyon at San siro, tied at one all with lyon to go through on away goals. Then sheva then hits the bar then pippo pippo and then scores the final goal in the dying minutes. Never loved anyone more at that moment.

 

[leaf]

what would be your choice for the best striker in the last 30 years??

mvb, r9, sheva, romario, weah, henry, batiigoal??

For the guys that saw Weah and MVB play live, how were they at free kicks?
I have seen all of the above take and score them. I'd say Henry had the best technique and Batigol was obviously the most powerful.

As for who was the best in my opinion...I think everyone knows the answer to that

But I could see scenarios where one or a one pairing would be better than the other. Ideally, you'd want to pair a passer/dribbler with a finisher....However, this elite list makes such an exercise akin to splitting hairs.


It all depends on the formation and tactics....in a 4-3-3 with good midfielders and wingers, Van Basten or Romario might do the best, followed by Batigol.
Guys who need freedom like R9 or even Henry wouldn't enjoy this as much as a traditional 4 midfield setup.

As a lone striker MVB and Shevchenko are the best. Romario is too small and R9 (while his heading ability is criminally underrated) isn't good enough in the air.

In a 4-4-2 or a 4-3-1-2 etc I'd choose R9 first ( )...and pair him up with a passer like Sheva, or even Van Basten. Henry and R9 would get into each other's way and Romario would be too selfish. R9 and Batigol is the pairing that I would have killed to see, even though I don't think a striker as talented as Batigol would have been content to serve only as an aerial battering ram to bring down balls for R9 to latch onto

 

[Allan_Sombrero]

For the guys that saw Weah and MVB play live, how were they at free kicks?
I have seen all of the above take and score them. I'd say Henry had the best technique and Batigol was obviously the most powerful.

As for who was the best in my opinion...I think everyone knows the answer to that

But I could see scenarios where one or a one pairing would be better than the other. Ideally, you'd want to pair a passer/dribbler with a finisher....However, this elite list makes such an exercise akin to splitting hairs.


It all depends on the formation and tactics....in a 4-3-3 with good midfielders and wingers, Van Basten or Romario might do the best, followed by Batigol.
Guys who need freedom like R9 or even Henry wouldn't enjoy this as much as a traditional 4 midfield setup.

As a lone striker MVB and Shevchenko are the best. Romario is too small and R9 (while his heading ability is criminally underrated) isn't good enough in the air.

In a 4-4-2 or a 4-3-1-2 etc I'd choose R9 first ( )...and pair him up with a passer like Sheva, or even Van Basten. Henry and R9 would get into each other's way and Romario would be too selfish. R9 and Batigol is the pairing that I would have killed to see, even though I don't think a striker as talented as Batigol would have been content to serve only as an aerial battering ram to bring down balls for R9 to latch onto

It would be hard for them to function as well since Ronaldo would try to do his solo runs a lot (though he could assist too but I doubt he would only want to assist) and Batistuta would shoot from long distance a lot (not allowing Ronaldo to touch the ball often). So they would end up irritating each other. In an ideal setup you would want to set them up with either Bergkamp or Del Piero.

 

[Sven]

@ Swagger.... As much as i love sheva.... that Barca side was a disgrace lol. Instead of saying he destroyed em... better to say he banged in a hat trick at the camp nou.

Not the better Barcelona ever, but in no way a disgrace.

They won La Liga that same year... They had Van Gaal. And Rivaldo, Figo, Giovanni, Luis Henrique, Pep, Nadal, Ferrer... Even Sonny Anderson used to be a good player at the time.


That Dynamo was a hell of a team though... It was not just Sheva. Starting with a legendary coach.

 

[Massaro94]

Not the better Barcelona ever, but in no way a disgrace.

They won La Liga that same year... They had Van Gaal. And Rivaldo, Figo, Giovanni, Luis Henrique, Pep, Nadal, Ferrer... Even Sonny Anderson used to be a good player at the time.


That Dynamo was a hell of a team though... It was not just Sheva. Starting with a legendary coach.

Ok disgrace is a bit too far but in europe they were terrible.

Indeed that Dynamo was a great team... and the coach ... oh my... absolutely love him. Valeriy Lobanovsky. Easly fits into my top 5 if not top 3 coaches of all time. Shits on the likes of fergie or mourinho. With little to no money his teams would easily outplay western european giants. Some of his quotes are epic. Better than Cruyffs

 

[Jasper]

One of the most memorable moments I remember was when we played lyon at San siro, tied at one all with lyon to go through on away goals. Then sheva then hits the bar then pippo pippo and then scores the final goal in the dying minutes. Never loved anyone more at that moment.

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[leaf]

To me, one of the most exciting games I ever saw with Sheva was the game vs Ajax (also known as the Inzaghi show ). Sheva and Inzaghi had finally began to click and Sheva was always willing to play a support, or what I call a #7 striker.


If I'm not mistaken...that Ajax side had iBra on it.....we qualified in the last few seconds of that game and the rest was history

 

[A milan fan]

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Yeah the two posts. Local lingo of mine but you get the idea.

Did we ever lose to inter when he was playing? I didn't even know we could lose to inter till mourinho. That team of 07 should have won titles the way barca did. Most balanced team I ever saw.

 

[Jasper]

If I'm not mistaken...that Ajax side had iBra on it.....we qualified in the last few seconds of that game and the rest was history

You are not.

 

[leaf]

Yeah the two posts. Local lingo of mine but you get the idea.

Did we ever lose to inter when he was playing? I didn't even know we could lose to inter till mourinho. That team of 07 should have won titles the way barca did. Most balanced team I ever saw.

fuck no

Maldini and Costacurta were well beyond their best (but still better than the so-called "elites" we have today) Seedorf was starting to show age and apart from Kaka, we didn't have a proper striker (Kaka had won "best midfielder" the previous year).

Then there was the point deduction from Interpoli.

Speaking of Inter.....after his ass got shot up with flares, Dida was never the same....capable of brilliance from time to time but not nearly as consistent and often prone to massive lapses of concentration.

Cafu's age was starting to show his age and Serginho, was heading toward age 40 (he still had the speed but not the stamina)

THEN we sold $heva and replaced him with the mighty Golivera

We were pretty fucked and that '07 team overachieved imho. I'd put the majority of that CL down to Kaka on the field and Carlo getting three/four trequartistas (Rui, Kaka, Seedorf, P!rlo) to play together if need be.

Carlo's system worked so well that started to infuriate the Milanistas by calling Seedorf "one of our strikers"

Gattuso and Oddo played their ass off in defense vs Manchester United and kept CR7 quiet (he still scored though) and Maldini and Kaka did their thing.

 

[Allan_Sombrero]

Yeah the two posts. Local lingo of mine but you get the idea.

Did we ever lose to inter when he was playing? I didn't even know we could lose to inter till mourinho. That team of 07 should have won titles the way barca did. Most balanced team I ever saw.

I would say the 2005 team was more balanced with Crespo and Stam in the starting 11.

I still cannot fathom how the fuck we lost the match on penalties after being 3-0 up in the first half.

fuck no

Maldini and Costacurta were well beyond their best (but still better than the so-called "elites" we have today) Seedorf was starting to show age and apart from Kaka, we didn't have a proper striker (Kaka had won "best midfielder" the previous year).

Then there was the point deduction from Interpoli.

Speaking of Inter.....after his ass got shot up with flares, Dida was never the same....capable of brilliance from time to time but not nearly as consistent and often prone to massive lapses of concentration.

Cafu's age was starting to show his age and Serginho, was heading toward age 40 (he still had the speed but not the stamina)

THEN we sold $heva and replaced him with the mighty Golivera

We were pretty fucked and that '07 team overachieved imho. I'd put the majority of that CL down to Kaka on the field and Carlo getting three/four trequartistas (Rui, Kaka, Seedorf, P!rlo) to play together if need be.

Carlo's system worked so well that started to infuriate the Milanistas by calling Seedorf "one of our strikers"

Gattuso and Oddo played their ass off in defense vs Manchester United and kept CR7 quiet (he still scored though) and Maldini and Kaka did their thing.

Rui left the year before. You're probably thinking of Ambrosini who was put in midfield with Pirlo and Gattuso. We also played the Christmas Tree formation most of the time with Seedorf playing up high and hence the "striker" Seedorf comment But either way that team pulled an unexpected win in the CL. We had been punished for Calciopoli (though Inter fucked everyone over to help them dominate Serie A) and were forced to start from the CL preliminary stage. One would think that our old players wouldn't be able to handle the journey but we did it and we finished 4th in Serie A that season as well. Kaka was unstoppable that year.

 

[Sorriso Sempre]

very tough. For our current milan team, i will pick prime r9.
for carlo's milan, sheva hands down.


btw who would you pick; weah or romario or henry??

out of those 3??
1.romario 2.weah 3.henry

but ...a big but i(and most probable many in here) saw king george in the last part of his career.who remember him in his monaco days??or who have seen him play there?i dont think i ve seen a player with such strength combined with so much speed.and technique ofc.

now if you askabout my top 3 of them all.i would pick mvb r9 and romario.its a tough competition cause you cant leave for example sheva out of top 3 but.....mvb is simple the most complete striker, romario has messi's touch x2 and 1000+goals plus 30+ team titles, and r9 redifined the game(imo post war, idk what happened before cause sources are exaggerating a lot, but post war 3 players redifined the game in their era.pele, maradona and r9...maybe messi too we ll see.)

 

[Sven]

I would say the 2005 team was more balanced with Crespo and Stam in the starting 11.

I still cannot fathom how the fuck we lost the match on penalties after being 3-0 up in the first half.

That formation was not very balanced... It was super offensive.

As much as Clarence and Pirlo can defend... It's their weakness and Rino had to cover them and also Cafu.

We destroyed Serie A with that team. But a light midfield made us pay in some big games.

 

[Sorriso Sempre]

For the guys that saw Weah and MVB play live, how were they at free kicks?
I have seen all of the above take and score them. I'd say Henry had the best technique and Batigol was obviously the most powerful.

As for who was the best in my opinion...I think everyone knows the answer to that

But I could see scenarios where one or a one pairing would be better than the other. Ideally, you'd want to pair a passer/dribbler with a finisher....However, this elite list makes such an exercise akin to splitting hairs.


It all depends on the formation and tactics....in a 4-3-3 with good midfielders and wingers, Van Basten or Romario might do the best, followed by Batigol.
Guys who need freedom like R9 or even Henry wouldn't enjoy this as much as a traditional 4 midfield setup.

As a lone striker MVB and Shevchenko are the best. Romario is too small and R9 (while his heading ability is criminally underrated) isn't good enough in the air.

In a 4-4-2 or a 4-3-1-2 etc I'd choose R9 first ( )...and pair him up with a passer like Sheva, or even Van Basten. Henry and R9 would get into each other's way and Romario would be too selfish. R9 and Batigol is the pairing that I would have killed to see, even though I don't think a striker as talented as Batigol would have been content to serve only as an aerial battering ram to bring down balls for R9 to latch onto

some explanations.
weah was strnger/more powerful than bati.

if you want to see bati and r9 together go and see one match of europe vs world stars from 1998 before the 1998 world cup....just amazing match even though it was a friendly.

and on the pairs i think mvb would fit in almost everyone.sheva romario and r9 all shown that they wanted to be the first violins.if that wasnt the case they didnt perform as well.

Not the better Barcelona ever, but in no way a disgrace.

They won La Liga that same year... They had Van Gaal. And Rivaldo, Figo, Giovanni, Luis Henrique, Pep, Nadal, Ferrer... Even Sonny Anderson used to be a good player at the time.


That Dynamo was a hell of a team though... It was not just Sheva. Starting with a legendary coach.

agree with your point but dynamo wasnt a hell of a team.more like today's shakhtar but with a lot better coach.like shakhtar under carletto and instead of luiz adriano they had sheva.

I would say the 2005 team was more balanced with Crespo and Stam in the starting 11.

I still cannot fathom how the fuck we lost the match on penalties after being 3-0 up in the first half.



Rui left the year before. You're probably thinking of Ambrosini who was put in midfield with Pirlo and Gattuso. We also played the Christmas Tree formation most of the time with Seedorf playing up high and hence the "striker" Seedorf comment But either way that team pulled an unexpected win in the CL. We had been punished for Calciopoli (though Inter fucked everyone over to help them dominate Serie A) and were forced to start from the CL preliminary stage. One would think that our old players wouldn't be able to handle the journey but we did it and we finished 4th in Serie A that season as well. Kaka was unstoppable that year.

2005 the best team since sacchi's/capello's days.and very balanced.

i think it would have won 2009-2011 barca and current RM.i cant describe what they would do to pep's bayern cause they ll ban me


i think something very strange happened that night in contantinople

 

[Allan_Sombrero]

That formation was not very balanced... It was super offensive.

As much as Clarence and Pirlo can defend... It's their weakness and Rino had to cover them and also Cafu.

We destroyed Serie A with that team. But a light midfield made us pay in some big games.

You're right it was a very offensive setup but I meant more balanced in comparison to the 2007 team. The front three (Sheva, Crespo, Kaka) in the 05 team was more dynamic whereas in 07 we relied on Kaka too much; the midfield in 05 was more fluid and of course the defense was better with Stam, Nesta, Cafu, and Maldini. In 07 we had Jankulovski and Oddo on the flanks. Solid players no doubt but couldn't imitate the runs Cafu made and didn't offer as much security in defense as Maldini and Cafu.

2005 the best team since sacchi's/capello's days.and very balanced.

i think it would have won 2009-2011 barca and current RM.i cant describe what they would do to pep's bayern cause they ll ban me


i think something very strange happened that night in contantinople

I think we got too overconfident and as soon as Liverpool scored we didn't know how to react.

 

[Sven]

You're right it was a very offensive setup but I meant more balanced in comparison to the 2007 team. The front three (Sheva, Crespo, Kaka) in the 05 team was more dynamic whereas in 07 we relied on Kaka too much; the midfield in 05 was more fluid and of course the defense was better with Stam, Nesta, Cafu, and Maldini. In 07 we had Jankulovski and Oddo on the flanks. Solid players no doubt but couldn't imitate the runs Cafu made and didn't offer as much security in defense as Maldini and Cafu.

But it made sense. We lost width for defensive strength in midfield... So Carlo compensated with more offensive full backs. Gattuso and Ambro could cover their runs.

Clarence and Kaka would not cover wide areas as Sheva and Kaka... But we had attacking FBs instead.

 

[Massaro94]

The 2005 team was the best on paper. 5 of those players were in the fifa xi pro for 2005

 

[Allan_Sombrero]

But it made sense. We lost width for defensive strength in midfield... So Carlo compensated with more offensive full backs. Gattuso and Ambro could cover their runs.

Clarence and Kaka would not cover wide areas as Sheva and Kaka... But we had attacking FBs instead.

I'm not arguing that Sven because it worked. We won the CL with the 07 group since it worked so well.

I just mean when I look at the 05 lineup it had better players for each position in comparison to the 07 lineup. We also had better options on the bench if I remember correctly.