Group F: ARGENTINA, BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA, IRAN, NIGERIA

[joyrider]

And ppl actually think Iran "deserved" a point when Bosnia & Herzegovina is eliminated with the amount of talent / chances they had.

it's more about what you do with the talent and how many chances you finish off


but of course giving iran 1 point seems just unfair to lionel

 

[Senatore_M84]

And ppl actually think Iran "deserved" a point when Bosnia & Herzegovina is eliminated with the amount of talent / chances they had.

Wut?

Iran played A LOT better than Bosnia.

Iran only lost because Messi scored a ridiculous wondergoal. I mean he's messi, but honestly no1 else scores that. Even messi only scores that 1/10 times.

 

[yagami7gnr]

Bosnia was terrible overall. The referees gave Nigeria help but besides Bosnia was too disjointed.

- Dzeko? He has been terrible.

- Pjanic? Completely lost.

- Misimovic? Look like he did not give a shit.

- The only good thing about Bosnia was Besic but his decision making sometimes was really bad.

 

[joyrider]

any gif of neuers brainfarty throw assist to himself

 

[Senatore_M84]

bosnia, for all their talent, are classic NT who hasn't come together.

It looked very disjointed. It looked like 11 guys playing in a park v. a real team.

Happens

 

[Rickaka]

any gif of neuers brainfarty throw assist to himself

 

[crazy4milan]

And ppl actually think Iran "deserved" a point when Bosnia & Herzegovina is eliminated with the amount of talent / chances they had.

Hahahaha. For real? If anything with the amount of talent they have, Bosnia has looked tremendously awful. Iran has more limitations but has played to their strenghts. Both teams have what they have played for.

Hell today Bosnia was so one dimensional and slow its not even funny.

 

[Rickaka]

bosnia, for all their talent, are classic NT who hasn't come together.

It looked very disjointed. It looked like 11 guys playing in a park v. a real team.

Happens

+1

But it's disastrous for them..

When you compare their team to Nigeria and Iran quality wise they have done really poorly.

 

[Curupira]

Wut?

Iran played A LOT better than Bosnia.

Iran only lost because Messi scored a ridiculous wondergoal. I mean he's messi, but honestly no1 else scores that. Even messi only scores that 1/10 times.

bosnia, for all their talent, are classic NT who hasn't come together.

It looked very disjointed. It looked like 11 guys playing in a park v. a real team.

Happens

Hahahaha. For real? If anything with the amount of talent they have, Bosnia has looked tremendously awful. Iran has more limitations but has played to their strenghts. Both teams have what they have played for.

Hell today Bosnia was so one dimensional and slow its not even funny.

That's true.

But I just don't like teams who come to WC to get draws. That's just my opinion. Iran only have themselves to blame that they are not in a better situation bc they parked the bus against Nigeria as well.

Bosnia had to play Argentina first and played well IMO and today well, they were bad but still had a good goal called off.

It's just me but, I'd rather see more talented squads who want to win go to knockout round than crap squads who park the bus hoping for a result go to knockout round.

Nothing personal, I just don't like this style in the WC. Especially when IMO there were more deserving countries who didn't make the WC, but thats another matter.

 

[Jivara]

I think Susic got the tactics wrong and the lack of options on the bench didn't help. He should have started with a formation that can match Nigeria's physique so a player like Spahic would be inappropriate even though he's captain. Also you don't need tall big men in the box because Nigeria has a big back 4 what Bosnia needed was players who could penetrate unfortunately for them they don't have many good players who can offer that.

Ultimately they were very unlucky not to be ahead as that would have given them the buffer they needed and open up the Nigerian defence which was rock solid.

Iran on the other hand I just feel very sad towards they played like men and deserved a penalty. Argentina were so disjointed and if they don't pick themselves up they'll be out the next round I am sure.

 

[Rickaka]

Qualifying for a WC is huge for nations like Iran. They don't have the quality and/or cohesion to put on shows for the whole world to enjoy, they fight for the people they're repping from their own country. These people I assume are thrilled with a point vs Nigeria and almost keeping Argentina at 0-0.

There are teams which are not up there quality wise so they're not going to try to produce champagne football cause they will fail horrendously. You play to your strengths.

It's part of any tournament in football and especially the world cup.

 

[Curupira]

Qualifying for a WC is huge for nations like Iran. They don't have the quality and/or cohesion to put on shows for the whole world to enjoy, they fight for the people they're repping from their own country. These people I assume are thrilled with a point vs Nigeria and almost keeping Argentina at 0-0.

There are teams which are not up there quality wise so they're not going to try to produce champagne football cause they will fail horrendously. You play to your strengths.

It's part of any tournament in football and especially the world cup.

You are talking about Iran as if they are Tahiti or something. They are the Asian Champs FFS beating Korea in the finals. Korea, although I don't like them, do not play like this, japan (IMO around same level) does not play like this. And again, my point was that they did not just choose this tactic against a team they were outclassed against (Argentina), they also employed this tactics against Nigeria.

Plus, it's a matter of opinion, I don't have to root for this team if I don't like their playing style. We can agree to disagree. I will be rooting for Nigeria now that BH is out in this group. Iran's PK was 50/50 for me, and if they got that it would have been a soft PK. Dzeko had a perfectly good goal called offside. Also, BH came out and played hard against Argentina in their first game and was extremely unfortunate with the OG. So yes, I feel like BH does not deserve to be out and Iran deserve exactly what they got, which is 1 point.

 

[LemonCookies]

Haha! Knew someone would make a gif of this guy Laughed my ass off when that happened

 

[Sven]

A true football connoisseur appreciates a great defense most of all

 

[MilanMB]

A true football connoisseur appreciates a great defense most of all

I love you, Sven.

 

[Curupira]

A true football connoisseur appreciates a great defense most of all

Look you are one of the posters I really respect here, but I don't feel like getting in this argument again.

I appreciate teams who can defend, I don't appreciate teams who doesn't go for the win (referring to Nigeria game). There are teams who can defend and not as dreadful to watch as Iran. And my original comment is BH was shafted a good goal today, and was very unfortunate in their first game whereas Iran got exactly what they deserved, which is 1 point.

You can like them, support them, think they deserve to go through. I just disagree with you but I respect your opinion. Please don't try to put down my understanding of the sport bc I don't agree with your opinion.

 

[MilanMB]

@curupira

you're free to think whatever you want, but for the sake of discussion:

I don't think you understand how bad Iran are as a team (quality), compared to the other teams in WC. Don't know where you got the Asian champions thing from either.

On top of how bad they are, they have a regime working against them all the time. Iran does well = people are happy = people celebrate = people remember what happiness is = not good for the regime. Plus sanctions so they can't even get a decent friendly game before the WC. But that's another discussion though so I leave that.

This team is playing smart, you want entertainment. A team like Iran is not obligated to give entertainment, Brazil and Spain are. This team just want to survive. If they play like you seem to want them to play, they'll get raped and lose every game 4-0.

You're not making any sense and your opinion is very naive and amateurish in a footballing sense. Doesn't go for the win? What game were you watching. They went went for the win as much as they could, it wasn't much, but a lot for Iran.

 

[MilanMB]

A true football connoisseur appreciates a great defense most of all

I love you, Sven.

Btw I must point out, that I'm not saying this because of the Iran debate.

This is just true on so many levels regarding football

 

[Curupira]

@curupira

you're free to think whatever you want, but for the sake of discussion:

I don't think you understand how bad Iran are as a team (quality), compared to the other teams in WC. Don't know where you got the Asian champions thing from either.

On top of how bad they are, they have a regime working against them all the time. Iran does well = people are happy = people celebrate = people remember what happiness is = not good for the regime. Plus sanctions so they can't even get a decent friendly game before the WC. But that's another discussion though so I leave that.

This team is playing smart, you want entertainment. A team like Iran is not obligated to give entertainment, Brazil and Spain are. This team just want to survive. If they play like you seem to want them to play, they'll get raped and lose every game 4-0.

You're not making any sense and your opinion is very naive and amateurish in a footballing sense. Doesn't go for the win? What game were you watching. They went went for the win as much as they could, it wasn't much, but a lot for Iran.

Maybe I don't realize how bad they are and I am sorry about their political status. And maybe I don't realize their effort in the Nigeria game. But what's wrong with my statement in saying they deserve exactly what they got? You said yourself they tried as much as they could even though it wasn't much? I got the Asian champion things for Iranians, not exactly sure why because I don't keep up with Asian teams but I have been told they have beat Korea in recent times. And that is what I compare them to, the other Asian teams.

I already explained why I think Bosnia deserves more. They had a good goal called off and they were unfortunate in the first game. They have more quality but lacks organization. But I think they could have gotten more than 0 point out of the 2 games. Problem?

In a football sense (since you bring that up), how could you say one team (w/ less quality) deserves more just because they played hard and smart and another team (w/ more quality) doesn't deserve anything when they had a clear goal called off?

Thanks for condescending attitude, although I've shown nothing but respect towards you.

 

[MilanMB]

Maybe I don't realize how bad they are and I am sorry about their political status. And maybe I don't realize their effort in the Nigeria game. But what's wrong with my statement in saying they deserve exactly what they got? You said yourself they tried as much as they could even though it wasn't much?

I already explained why I think Bosnia deserves more. They had a good goal called off and they were unfortunate in the first game. They have more quality but lacks organization. But I think they could have gotten more than 0 point out of the 2 games. Problem?

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if Iran played smart or tried hard, they lack quality (quoting you and others), so their current position in the standing is fair.

Thanks for sounding condescending, although I've shown nothing but respect towards you.

No I'm talking about the whole must play to win, entertaining football, shouldn't be in WC etc etc.

Point wise, they have what they deserve, every game ends likes it's supposed to end if you know what I mean. So yes, their current position in the standing is fair.

And yes when it comes to football, I' can sound very condescending sometimes... Einstein was probably the same when it came to physics

 

[Curupira]

No I'm talking about the whole must play to win, entertaining football, shouldn't be in WC etc etc.

Point wise, they have what they deserve, every game ends likes it's supposed to end if you know what I mean. So yes, their current position in the standing is fair.

And yes when it comes to football, I' can sound very condescending sometimes... Einstein was probably the same when it came to physics

Those are reasons why I don't root for them. I think I can choose to like what I like and that doesn't mean I am naive about football.

You second paragraph is what I've been trying to say all along. Maybe I wasn't good at explaining it but I think Iran got exactly what they deserved.

Again, I respect your opinion, if you feel like I am saying something that doesn't make sense, i would always like to hear your opinion instead of calling me out on things.

 

[Sven]

On top of how bad they are, they have a regime working against them all the time. Iran does well = people are happy = people celebrate = people remember what happiness is = not good for the regime. Plus sanctions so they can't even get a decent friendly game before the WC. But that's another discussion though so I leave that.

Still remember when Iranian players used a green band in support of the Green Revolution (then they got banned from the NT). Very brave stuff.

Btw I must point out, that I'm not saying this because of the Iran debate.

This is just true on so many levels regarding football

Love you too man!

 

[necromancer]

So good that Iran are very much alive after the Bosnia result. Need to beat Bosnia by 2 goals and hope Argentina win.

 

[G.Costanza]

@curupira

you're free to think whatever you want, but for the sake of discussion:

I don't think you understand how bad Iran are as a team (quality), compared to the other teams in WC. Don't know where you got the Asian champions thing from either.

On top of how bad they are, they have a regime working against them all the time. Iran does well = people are happy = people celebrate = people remember what happiness is = not good for the regime. Plus sanctions so they can't even get a decent friendly game before the WC. But that's another discussion though so I leave that.

This team is playing smart, you want entertainment. A team like Iran is not obligated to give entertainment, Brazil and Spain are. This team just want to survive. If they play like you seem to want them to play, they'll get raped and lose every game 4-0.

You're not making any sense and your opinion is very naive and amateurish in a footballing sense. Doesn't go for the win? What game were you watching. They went went for the win as much as they could, it wasn't much, but a lot for Iran.

Right on the fucking point, all Iranians know that our players are extremely mediocre, but what matters is to put up a fight.

Iran would never lose a game in world cup 5-1, 8-0 or 7-1 like N.Korea or Saudi Arabia , Spain and the rest, It's Iranian mentality, a 0-0 and a narrow 1-0 against Messi means the whole world to us.

Most people are extremely proud of this team in Iran, that's what Iran has over the other 3 teams in this group.

 

[G.Costanza]

Important question : If Iran beats Bosnia 1-0, and Nigeria loses 1-0 to Argentina, How the hell are they gonna determine the second team advancing?

both will be the same in every category.

EDIT : well, apparently it will be decided by a coin toss Jesus.

 

[ladro]

First croatia and now bosnia. Fucking refs and their anti yugoslav agenda. Glad mighty slovenia didnt participate in this farce.........

Dzeko should have scored at the end. Piss poor effort.

 

[justhope]

Even messi only scores that 1/10 times.

actually I knew that was a goal as soon as he got the ball in that position.

I honestly screamed goal couple of seconds before it happened.

Dont let messi any room to shoot when hes got the ball on the left foot at margin of the area.

You re basically begging for curled top corner finish which mostly ends up in the back of the net.

 

[Goldfinger68]

your honest opinion : was it a PK or not? the zabaleta tackle

Don't listen to haters, Iran should've got a penalty, just like Costa Rica against Italy. It was 100% penalty, Dejagah was also the first on the ball. Even if you touch the ball first, doesn't mean it can't be a tackle or penalty, he totally got tackled by the knees.

Lets put it this way, Messi would've got 100% a penalty there.

Quieroz have done a great job with this team, they deserved at least 1p, even if they parked the bus in the first, they where the most entertaining team in the match.

Argentina just got the Ball possession and 10sec brilliance by Messi. That was all.

Its clear that FIFA wants Argentina or Brasil to win this shit, not the small football nations, but they are fighting good. I don't think Brasil or Argentina will win actually. This is the small teams tournament, football have developed on so many levels.

 

[Soldier_of_god]

Costa rica to win it all

 

[Vms]

@curupira

you're free to think whatever you want, but for the sake of discussion:

I don't think you understand how bad Iran are as a team (quality), compared to the other teams in WC. Don't know where you got the Asian champions thing from either.

On top of how bad they are, they have a regime working against them all the time. Iran does well = people are happy = people celebrate = people remember what happiness is = not good for the regime. Plus sanctions so they can't even get a decent friendly game before the WC. But that's another discussion though so I leave that.

This team is playing smart, you want entertainment. A team like Iran is not obligated to give entertainment, Brazil and Spain are. This team just want to survive. If they play like you seem to want them to play, they'll get raped and lose every game 4-0.

You're not making any sense and your opinion is very naive and amateurish in a footballing sense. Doesn't go for the win? What game were you watching. They went went for the win as much as they could, it wasn't much, but a lot for Iran.

Best post about Iranian regime and football,thanks man

They are the Asian Champs FFS

Last time we won the asian cup was almost 40 years ago