Ignazio Abate Thread

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Abate is solid defensively, and a beast going foward with his sprints...

He shut down the likes of CR7 and Eto'o.

Are there better RBs out there? Sure.
But Abate is near-WC and we should all be proud to have him as our RB.

Btw, he is much better than Bosingwa, Lichsteiner, Johnson :lol:

Shut down what? bommel is protecting that defense like a lion.. nesta is losing the rest of his hair with abate..

the guys from barça were looking to play on their left side.. coz they're not stupid..
 

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Abate isint the best Rb in the world but he has to ranked in the top 10 best rbs in the world .I really think most(non milan fans) underestimate him . He is a solid defender with blistering speed and can push forward nicely . Also he plays a very physical game . His only problem is the fact he has a hard time crossing the ball (but i find he has alreay improved compared to last year) .
 
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nah more like watching more than 1 league, danny simpson is average, just like abate :thumbsup:


love it when people who know jack shit make smart ass comments.
 

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Now THIS is funny.

He didn't even make a large error on Messi per-say, Messi has sublime control, we know this and quickness, he beat him. He got an inch and he split MVB, Ambro, Nesta and Abate. Give credit where it's due.

@ESPN commentators making up some concentration issue?

Well lets run down list
-Nesta yells at EVERYONE all match. That's normal. Telling him to concentrate? Whatever dude..... that's one of most common things to yell on a football field.

Does he actuaslly have lapses of concentration? Someone tell me?

-How often has he played someone onside by mistake? Antonini does that all the time, Abate rarely. He's ALWAYS in line.

-How often does he get passed? It's rare. So a Barca winger did it? Wow, it's not like they aren't best team attacking from wide in world or anything. It's not like they don't do it consistently to Sergio Ramos, and many others.

And for the record, he cleaned up MVB and Nesta's ass more than once cause he's quick and DOES concentrate. More than once both stepped up on Messi and Messi laid off to an open runner thru the lane who abate either intercepted or tackled.


He's GOOD. You can't fake it, no matter who you are next to. If you could, Antonini would look just as good, as he's fast and aggressive too.

@He's not young? He's played a whooping 2 years @ RB. And if you look from where he came from to were he is, he still has A LOT of room for growth. Look how much calmer he is today compared to v. zurich/Marsailles in 2009? He looks like a pro now.

And i didn't see Rino play this match. Did you ;)
 

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Shut down what? bommel is protecting that defense like a lion.. nesta is losing the rest of his hair with abate..

the guys from barça were looking to play on their left side.. coz they're not stupid..

?

Cmon now. They spent first 40 minutes of match trying to isolate clarence and zambrotta (their RIGHT side)

Then they went to their left, then back right.
Eitherway they were hardly picking on Abate. They went at every angle.
 

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i seriously dont get why people think of abate as average... remember when barca destroyed man u 3-1 and 2-0? why arent people attacking vidic,evra and ferdinand for being 'average' as well? abate is a fantastic rb enough said
 

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i didn't see Rino play this match. Did you ;)


I'm not with you on your analysis of the goal - I think it was a bad mistake (as were Silva's and Zambrotta's) - but the fact that his performance was without the assistance of Gattuso is a big deal. Eto'o and Ronaldo both wanted to cut inside, so Abate could just usher them towards Gattuso or keep pace down the touchline and his job was done. That's why I've always downplayed his performances against those two.

Last night, however, he was left alone to play against lightning quick players who were prepared to take him on down the flank. He dealt with it, aside from one daft error. It's good to know that Milan can give him that kind of responsibility, given the right circumstances.
 

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they picked on us from the right and left sides, abate needed nocerino every time they attacked, zambrotta didn't receive any help.

you guys can overrate him all you want, in the end of the day, its only the Milan and certain biased fans will rate him as WC :-)fp:), prandelli doesn't and shouldn't, he has 2 Rbs that are better than him, I'm not saying he is horrible, but his skills are nothing more than average, what he has working for him is that he is an excellent athlete.


yeah, compare him with antonini, standards FTW :thumbsup:
 

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yeah, compare him with antonini, standards FTW :thumbsup:

hypocrite

you're projecting that nesta/silva is carrying his ass. Yet Nesta/Silva aren't carrying antoninis?

right side bias among our CBs.

@Rino/Nocerino.

Well a) Nocerino is not anywhere near Rino in ball winning BUT if you watched milan last year you'll notice the whole 4-3-1-2 was a bit of a sham. We very much had 2 AMs who defended and MVB/Gattuso deeper.
 

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hypocrite

you're projecting that nesta/silva is carrying his ass. Yet Nesta/Silva aren't carrying antoninis?

right side bias among our CBs.

antonini is beyond shit, even if they are carrying him, he would still fail.

at least abate is average , antonini is CRAP.

comparing abate with antonini is insulting abate.
 

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antonini is beyond shit, even if they are carrying him, he would still fail.

at least abate is average , antonini is CRAP.

comparing abate with antonini is insulting abate.

No, you're still missing my point and disregarded my points on his concentration and positioning.

My point was, Abate isn't spectacular, but exactly how many errors does he make that Nesta or Silva either clean up or expose them?

It's VERY few. He's athletic enough to recover his own mistakes the few he makes, but he's hardly every out of position or playing forwards onside by mistake.

He's a lot better than he's given credit for.
 

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Cmon now. They spent first 40 minutes of match trying to isolate clarence and zambrotta (their RIGHT side)

Then they went to their left, then back right.
Eitherway they were hardly picking on Abate. They went at every angle.

man.. Messi assist himself over abate.. wasnt even a drible.. they went left/right, right/left all the time like u said.. and messi finded a place to make a hole exactly were they expected, in abate's back..

theres a guy open in abate's back but messi ignore him.. and look our defense line.. who was behind the line giving condition to pedro inside the box?

Is not a wonder that a 25yrs old player get bashed by his team mates that way..
 

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No, you're still missing my point and disregarded my points on his concentration and positioning.

My point was, Abate isn't spectacular, but exactly how many errors does he make that Nesta or Silva either clean up or expose them?

It's VERY few. He's athletic enough to recover his own mistakes the few he makes, but he's hardly every out of position or playing forwards onside by mistake.

He's a lot better than he's given credit for.

on this forum, hes given way more credit than he deserves.

like I said, hes solid defensively because of certain circumstances(playing with nesta/rino) Im not sold that he can do it with out them, so no point in trying to convince me.

but in terms of attacking skills, hes a complete failure, the only thing he can do is run past a old serie A full back and fail to time a cross(he would make 1 good cross out of 20 tries)

he doesn't open for others or make smart runs, IMO he is a complete moron when it comes to attacking, and a fullback isn't only judged on his defensive skills, a WC fullback or at least a one with WC potential should be at least good in every aspect of being a fullback.
 

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man.. Messi assist himself over abate.. wasnt even a drible.. they went left/right, right/left all the time like u said.. and messi finded a place to make a hole exactly were they expected, in abate's back..

theres a guy open in abate's back but messi ignore him.. and look our defense line.. who was behind the line giving condition to pedro inside the box?

Is not a wonder that a 25yrs old player get bashed by his team mates that way..

give credit where it's due...
http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/pedro-crazy-messi-assist-milan-15403864/

nocerino, nesta, mvb, abate all stunned in their place.
 

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give credit where it's due...
http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/pedro-crazy-messi-assist-milan-15403864/

nocerino, nesta, mvb, abate all stunned in their place.

maybe because they thought that WC fb ignazio abate would clear the ball, instead he failed badly.

I actually blame them for having too much faith in him to simply kick a ball out, and its not like he doesn't have the pace to do it, I'd understand if that was zambrotta or bonera.


even nesta came out and said, "we conceded two stupid goals", he obviously knows what abate did was stupid.
 
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im exicted for the fall of milan because i hate allegri hes a pussy with no balls until he leaves i wont cheer for tis club
 

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give credit where it's due...
http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/pedro-crazy-messi-assist-milan-15403864/

nocerino, nesta, mvb, abate all stunned in their place.

:)
zambrotta's mistakes was trust too much that abate would handle the situation, and dont follow pedro.. when zambrotta saw the ball crossing.. he puts his hand on the head.. cant let the guy cross that ball..

zambrotta is declining.. i cant argue about his capacities.

a goal against roma in sansiro was like that.. antonini let the guy cross and abate finished the mess kicking the ball in their striker.. goal!
 

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a goal against roma in sansiro was like that.. antonini let the guy cross and abate finished the mess kicking the ball in their striker.. goal!


Congrats. You've pointed out the only 2 goals directly attributable to abate in 10 months.

This is turning ridiculous IMO. Abate is among the last players we need to replace
 

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Congrats. You've pointed out the only 2 goals directly attributable to abate in 10 months.

This is turning ridiculous IMO. Abate is among the last players we need to replace

we need to get an AM, and an anchor man, RB would be right after those 2 positions.

After AM, DM and RB all the other issues are depth related.
 

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we need to get an AM, and an anchor man, RB would be right after those 2 positions.

After AM, DM and RB all the other issues are depth related.

We need a cb,gk and lb, cm all before rb
 

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Congrats. You've pointed out the only 2 goals directly attributable to abate in 10 months.

This is turning ridiculous IMO. Abate is among the last players we need to replace

2 goals in 2 games could be a 1-0 and 1-0 my friend.. 6 points.. a elimination.. to play in high level u cant make mistakes.. 1 point could cost u the trophie.. Alves in copa america for brasil.. 1 terrible game.. is all over..

Maybe he last on milan like ambrosini.. who knows.. but who actually saw a RB working.. know that need improve that sector.

i just hope the next mistake dont cost us anything apart from some points in serieA.
 

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im not even point his capacities in the attacking field.. will be unfair with him.
 

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We need a cb,gk and lb, cm all before rb

CB? maybe as a back up or some one younger with WC potential would do.

GK? I would change abate before abbiati.

LB? did you forget about Taiwo? unless its depth related then hopefully didac vila will come back.

CM? if its montolivo, then there is nothing exciting about that, he is just a good player, would be great for depth if seedorf keeps up his fitness levels.


Maybe its a 3rd or 4th need, doesn't change a fact that its a need none the less, Milan's first two needs IMO are most def. AM and anchor.


btw, by changing abate I dont mean selling him, I'd still like to keep him as a sub.
 
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the guy has played over 200 games at the professional level, over 100 in serie A, and he is still treated like a kid fresh from the primavera.

its very pathetic, the guy is capable of being solid(nothing more) against serie A because of nesta and gattuso, otherwise he would fail even worse than antonini.

the guy will never reach WC or even get close to it.

they picked on us from the right and left sides, abate needed nocerino every time they attacked, zambrotta didn't receive any help.

you guys can overrate him all you want, in the end of the day, its only the Milan and certain biased fans will rate him as WC :-)fp:), prandelli doesn't and shouldn't, he has 2 Rbs that are better than him, I'm not saying he is horrible, but his skills are nothing more than average, what he has working for him is that he is an excellent athlete.


yeah, compare him with antonini, standards FTW :thumbsup:


huh?



seriously though, he's been playing defense for 2 years. He's improved substantially in those 2 years. It's not like he's been a defender his entire career and has already reached his pathetic potential (cough, anto, cough). Cut the guy a break. RB is not at the top of the list of things we need.
 

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