Luis Suarez thread

[Senatore_M84]

We got threads for Messi and Ronaldo. Why not Suarez. He's just as good

I dare anyone to tell me Barca or Madrid would drop any if they replaced their hyped players with Luis Suarez.

 

[Senatore_M84]

best forward in world. It's ok he missed a pk. He made up for it by being basically 2 levels above the epl

 

[Kalac#16]

I don't think he's that good, somewhere similar to an on form Benzema though they're slightly different players.

I think a lot of teams weren't willing to pay the price for what was a pretty big gamble, and that's the only reason he's at Liverpool.

 

[Az.]

best forward in world. It's ok he missed a pk. He made up for it by being basically 2 levels above the epl

Im actually curious,well bored..what are you basic your stalking obsession on Suarez on?

 

[Senatore_M84]

I don't think he's that good, somewhere similar to an on form Benzema though they're slightly different players.

I think a lot of teams weren't willing to pay the price for what was a pretty big gamble, and that's the only reason he's at Liverpool.

Benzema? Really? Suarez is basically the heir to shevchenko. He basically turned liverpool around on his own. Didn't they get most points in league from his transfer on?

He's a special player.

Im actually curious,well bored..what are you basic your stalking obsession on Suarez on?

Reminds me of a south american sheva/kaka hybrid. Has all the qualities i loved in both players, technique, highly intelligent on and off ball, gritty and tough. It's hard to find that mix of technical/intelligent players who are also tough.

 

[necromancer]

I don't think he's that good, somewhere similar to an on form Benzema though they're slightly different players.

I think a lot of teams weren't willing to pay the price for what was a pretty big gamble, and that's the only reason he's at Liverpool.

I'd say an on-form Benzema has a significantly better skillset than an on-form Suarez.

 

[Senatore_M84]

I'd say an on-form Benzema has a significantly better skillset than an on-form Suarez.

Because he's a #9? Nah. Suarez creates out of nothing. What he did with uruguay was literally creating with nothing.

With service he's a monster. Benzema on other hand is 100% dependent on service.

I get your point in a certain team that's maybe needing a CF, but nah

 

[Kalac#16]

I'd say an on-form Benzema has a significantly better skillset than an on-form Suarez.

Hard to say Benzema's been fortunate with the teams he's been in.

Benzema? Really? Suarez is basically the heir to shevchenko. He basically turned liverpool around on his own. Didn't they get most points in league from his transfer on?

He's a special player.

That's just as much to do with the manager change too though.

He's not that different to Benzema, actually I'd say Benzema is much closer to Shevchenko than Suarez is.

 

[necromancer]

Because he's a #9? Nah. Suarez creates out of nothing. What he did with uruguay was literally creating with nothing.

With service he's a monster. Benzema on other hand is 100% dependent on service.

I get your point in a certain team that's maybe needing a CF, but nah

Let me make it clear that I think Suarez is a very good player. But the part in bold is rather wrong.

Benzema has the ability to create goals out of nothing better than most young forwards in world football. A significant number of his goals with Lyon were moves started by him and finished by him.

A wrong career move is the only reason he is not the toast of Europe currently - let's see what happens this season.

 

[Kalac#16]

Let me make it clear that I think Suarez is a very good player. But the part in bold is rather wrong.

Benzema has the ability to create goals out of nothing better than most young forwards in world football. A wrong career move is the only reason he is not the toast of Europe currently - let's see what happens this season.

What I thought. The Benzema I remember at Lyon was more than just a #9, he'd drop deep quite a lot with the ball, and drift out wide whenever he needed to. Nothing like a normal CF.

Also, I'm not convinced Benzema has the mentaility to really succeed, he's got a bit of Gourcuff in him it seems, hopefully under Mourinho that'll be overcome. And he needs to start.

 

[Senatore_M84]

Make no mistake, if Suarez went to Madrid he wouldn't have problems Benzema has. You can say 'wrong move' all you want, he had EVERY opportunity to gain starting spot and to date simply hasn't done it.

Yeah he can drop back and create, but it's so not a strong point. He's not a 1 touch player, Suarez can be. He can drift wide, again he's not NEARLY as effective as suarez is. To even compare there link up and creation ability is just insulting to Suarez IMO

@Benzema being closer to sheva? CMon Kalac. Sheva played support, and wing at world class levels. Benzema doesn't even play CF at a world class level. Suarez can play all 3 at a top level.

 

[Kalac#16]

Make no mistake, if Suarez went to Madrid he wouldn't have problems Benzema has. You can say 'wrong move' all you want, he had EVERY opportunity to gain starting spot and to date simply hasn't done it.

Yeah he can drop back and create, but it's so not a strong point. He's not a 1 touch player, Suarez can be. He can drift wide, again he's not NEARLY as effective as suarez is. To even compare there link up and creation ability is just insulting to Suarez IMO

Why I said they're slightly different players, I think Benzema's closer to the Shevchenko comparison, Suarez is much better technically though.

Edit after seeing your edit: I don't know, I think people are yet to see Benzema's best consistently but he's got it in him.

 

[necromancer]

What I thought. The Benzema I remember at Lyon was more than just a #9, he'd drop deep quite a lot with the ball, and drift out wide whenever he needed to. Nothing like a normal CF.

Also, I'm not convinced Benzema has the mentaility to really succeed, he's got a bit of Gourcuff in him it seems, hopefully under Mourinho that'll be overcome. And he needs to start.

Yeah, the last bit could well be true. But to be fair to him, he has apparently been doing very well in training/pre-season now after being 2nd choice to Higuain throughout last season. Madrid fans expect him to start this season.

So I'll give him another season. If that doesn't work out, he should move asap. Too talented to rot in the bench.

 

[Senatore_M84]

Yeah, the last bit could well be true. But to be fair to him, he has apparently been doing very well in training/pre-season now after being 2nd choice to Higuain throughout last season. Madrid fans expect him to start this season.

So I'll give him another season. If that doesn't work out, he should move asap. Too talented to rot in the bench.

2nd choice? He was always perez/zidane's favorite over Higuain. He's gotten so many more opportunities than many player at madrid.

31 starts last year, 17 year before, 33 total sub appearances. 81 caps in 2 years. Don't blame madrid. He's immature and not nearly as good as he thinks he is.

 

[necromancer]

2nd choice? He was always perez/zidane's favorite over Higuain. He's gotten so many more opportunities than many player at madrid.

31 starts last year, 17 year before, 33 total sub appearances. 81 caps in 2 years. Don't blame madrid. He's immature and not nearly as good as he thinks he is.

Eh? He started when Higuain was injured. Mourinho always had Higuain as the first choice.

 

[crazy4milan]

I've always seen Benzema as a pure CF even in his Lyon days that was what he was, pure CFs can have skills, can create some of their own chances, but that doesn't mean they can play anywhere in the forward line, just look at Pato (in fact I would say Benzema and Pato are pretty similar with Pato being more clinical and Benzema having a bit more individual skills). And I don't think there's been a player that has gotten more chances in Madrid without showing consistent form, lets see if the 3rd one is a charm...but if I was Madrid I prefer Higuain.

Eh? He started when Higuain was injured. Mourinho always had Higuain as the first choice.

Yeah, there's a reason...(though its true that Perez and Zidane like him, and favour him, he would've been offloaded if not)

 

[necromancer]

And I don't think there's been a player that has gotten more chances in Madrid without showing consistent form,

Come again? 31 starts, 26 goals last season. He started games since Higuain got injured, from December onwards, and he has been extremely clinical.

I wonder what is consistency for a forward when 26 goals in 31 starts is not.

Also, wrong about the pure CF comment, but Kalac and I have already explained that.

 

[Senatore_M84]

Also, wrong about the pure CF comment, but Kalac and I have already explained that.

actually id question your reading comprehension. She explained it pretty well.

would you start benzema wide in a 4-3-3? deep in a 4-4-1-1?

Nah. Just cause he's technically skilled and attributes in build up doesn't make him anymore than a Cf. He's no different than Adebayor at arsenal in that regard. He's hardly contributing way drogba/anelka do and they both tend to drop off anywhere but leading the line

 

[necromancer]

actually id question your reading comprehension. She explained it pretty well.

would you start benzema wide in a 4-3-3? deep in a 4-4-1-1?

Nah. Just cause he's technically skilled and attributes in build up doesn't make him anymore than a Cf. He's no different than Adebayor at arsenal in that regard. He's hardly contributing way drogba/anelka do and they both tend to drop off anywhere but leading the line

So according to you, the universe of forwards are divided into pure CFs, someone who can start wide in a 4-3-3 and someone who can start deep in a 4-4-1-1, eh?

31 starts, 26 goals btw. What did she say? Inconsistent?

 

[crazy4milan]

So according to you, the universe of forwards are divided into pure CFs, someone who can start wide in a 4-3-3 and someone who can start deep in a 4-4-1-1, eh?

31 starts, 26 goals btw. What did she say? Inconsistent?

He scored 26 goals in total with RM. 31 starts, 23 goals, ok still quite good. Inflated by 2 games where he scored hatricks (1 CL game vs Auxerre, another one Copa del Rey game vs Levante), 5 comming in Copa del Rey games, and 4 from two group stage CL games where RM was qualified already. In fact lets look it like this 48 games, 26 goals in total, only 8 goals in the first half of the season (of which 6 came in 2 goleadas where he scored back to back hattricks).

There were only 7 games that one could say were closed where he scored (all the other ones had 3+ goal difference in favour of Madrid). And in those goleadas 4 times he scored the 3rd, 4th or 5th goals (neither were the previously mentioned hattricks). He's best period of form was February- March when he actually scored decisive goals for RM, in either closed games or scoring first few goals in goleadas. It is inconsistent for over half a season he wasn't able to score on somewhat regular basis. He's been inconsistent enough that even though he scored 23 goals in 31 starts, people say he hasn't shown nothing in Madrid like what he has done this summer (shows you that 23 goals in 31 starts is actually mostly bad distribution of goals, not gonna blame him for that, but he's inconsistent).

 

[Sage]

overhyped and overrated by senatore and certain people in this forum, very good player for sure, but best forward in the world? bitch please.

Ibra >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suarez

 

[MilanMB]

overhyped and overrated by senatore and certain people in this forum, very good player for sure, but best forward in the world? bitch please.

Ibra >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suarez

Overhyped indeed. A very good player, but if he was the best or one of the best, one of Europe's best teams would have snapped him up by now.

 

[Christian]

overhyped and overrated by senatore and certain people in this forum, very good player for sure, but best forward in the world? bitch please.

Ibra >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suarez

Yeh, don't have a problem with Suarez or anything, but when Ibra's in form, there's no doubt.

Still get what he's saying about the grit and technique, Suarez is pretty good at everything. But he'll never be as dominant as Ibra can be when he's on form. When Ibra's on form he'll create something no matter how poor the team is playing, and that's what makes him special. Thing about him is that when he's not on form his level of play becomes Serie b worthy... Suarez an excellent player, he's really got everything (Illustrated by the goal today), but to be a player as decisive as Ibra? I don't think so

 

[Redman10]

He is pretty good but best forward in world is overrating him.

 

[Senatore_M84]

Overhyped indeed. A very good player, but if he was the best or one of the best, one of Europe's best teams would have snapped him up by now.

I don't necessarily agree. Ajax snapped him up and had him tied long term so they are a bitch to deal with. Porto, lyon level. Barca and milan both had heavy interest last two years and they said 35 mil. Comolli should get credit. He's a bit of a transfer guru at sealing the deal. Like he did with berbatov and modric at tottenham before others could

Yeh, don't have a problem with Suarez or anything, but when Ibra's in form, there's no doubt.

Still get what he's saying about the grit and technique, Suarez is pretty good at everything. But he'll never be as dominant as Ibra can be when he's on form. When Ibra's on form he'll create something no matter how poor the team is playing, and that's what makes him special. Thing about him is that when he's not on form his level of play becomes Serie b worthy... Suarez an excellent player, he's really got everything (Illustrated by the goal today), but to be a player as decisive as Ibra? I don't think so

Ibra on form is potentially the best player in the world. I medan when he's rolling he's every bit as dominating as messi and ron

Problem is he does go in and out a lot due to his physical style and when he's off.... he's offff. I haven't seen suarez have those same problems which is why id prefer him. He also is capable of playing off ball better which is always beeen zlatans biggest weakness

 

[Christian]

Problem is he does go in and out a lot due to his physical style and when he's off.... he's offff. I haven't seen suarez have those same problems which is why id prefer him. He also is capable of playing off ball better which is always beeen zlatans biggest weakness

Think we agree pretty much on this one. In denmark we talk about the 'highest low level', if you know what I mean, and Zlatan has a very low lowest level of play.

 

[necromancer]

He scored 26 goals in total with RM. 31 starts, 23 goals, ok still quite good. Inflated by 2 games where he scored hatricks (1 CL game vs Auxerre, another one Copa del Rey game vs Levante), 5 comming in Copa del Rey games, and 4 from two group stage CL games where RM was qualified already. In fact lets look it like this 48 games, 26 goals in total, only 8 goals in the first half of the season (of which 6 came in 2 goleadas where he scored back to back hattricks).

There were only 7 games that one could say were closed where he scored (all the other ones had 3+ goal difference in favour of Madrid). And in those goleadas 4 times he scored the 3rd, 4th or 5th goals (neither were the previously mentioned hattricks). He's best period of form was February- March when he actually scored decisive goals for RM, in either closed games or scoring first few goals in goleadas. It is inconsistent for over half a season he wasn't able to score on somewhat regular basis. He's been inconsistent enough that even though he scored 23 goals in 31 starts, people say he hasn't shown nothing in Madrid like what he has done this summer (shows you that 23 goals in 31 starts is actually mostly bad distribution of goals, not gonna blame him for that, but he's inconsistent).

The reasons are simple. He plays extremely well and with confidence when he starts. Quite a big confidence player, has to work on it mentally. But you can see his numbers when he started, and those speak out clearly.

 

[MilanMB]

I don't necessarily agree. Ajax snapped him up and had him tied long term so they are a bitch to deal with. Porto, lyon level. Barca and milan both had heavy interest last two years and they said 35 mil. Comolli should get credit. He's a bit of a transfer guru at sealing the deal. Like he did with berbatov and modric at tottenham before others could

I honestly don't remember any heavy interest.

How much did Liverpool give for him? Surely, Milan and Barca (and other top teams) would have done much more to get him if he was all that.

Look, Suarez is a great player. But he's overrated by you, and definitely underrated by the ordinary noob fan. Forlan made him look good in the Copa America .

 

[Goodfella]

Forlan made him look good in the Copa America .

Suarez made Forlan look good in Copa America and World Cup.

(forwards)
1. Messi
2. Ronaldo
3. Suarez

 

[ladro]

Ahhh, luis suarez..........the only individual whos diving and complaining on the pitch exceeds that of the entire barca roster put together. Hed fit great in that team, dont know why they really didnt bother..........

He is a good player but still far from the likes of ibra or rooney let alone messi and CR. Just like vs milan he tends to disappear for large chunks of the match, like a ibrahimvic on his worst days. He does exhibit fabulous technique here and there but its far to rare. Like vs sunderland he should have done more. Part from the header and trough ball in the 1st did nothing else. Wildly inconsistent and considering he played alongside adam, henderson, lucas and downing he should stand out alot more if his do be compared to CRs stay in EPL lol.

Im putting my money on aguerro to be the stand out star along with rooney this season in EPL.