Semi-finals: Brazil 1-7 Germany - Tuesday 08/07/2014 22:00 CEST

Team to qualify for the final?


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What if Argentina wins this world cup or they give one more thrashing to Brazil? Wonder what would be worse for Brazilian fans. :(
 

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What if Argentina wins this world cup or they give one more thrashing to Brazil? Wonder what would be worse for Brazilian fans. :(

I think this thrashing 10X over than watch Argentina lift the trophy.
 

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Would you rather lose the semi-final in your own country with 7-1

or lose it in the last 2 minutes?
 

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One game and Fernandinho is fodder ?

He was one of the best performers in City's campaign
 

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Would you rather lose the semi-final in your own country with 7-1

or lose it in the last 2 minutes?

Better lose it the last 2 minutes of course. 7-1 is heavy shit, rarely happens
 

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what a fiasco.. yesterday we were sad.. today we can be even more sad.. hard stuff.

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if we gonna lose.. lets make to the guinness
 

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:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Guy couldnt even beat mexico.

And Scolari could?:lol:

at least Mano had a philosophy he believed in, and a long term project. Felipao in the end played the same football, but with shit players.
 

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And Scolari could?:lol:

at least Mano had a philosophy he believed in, and a long term project. Felipao in the end played the same football, but with shit players.

:lol: philosophy.

At least scolari won the confed cup and semis. All menez managed to do was get shown up by a team that cost less than neymar in olympics and an early coppa america exit with just 1 win. Playing the same boring football that relied on individuals than the team.

Yeah, safe to say menez would have done fuck-all this world cup. Probably less than scolari.
 

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I think they shoulda kept Mano. Oh, well...
 

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Luiz is generally not a bad player, but he's SO not a CB to lead a line.

You NEED a guy like Thiago with him keeping him in line or he goes full ******.


Still doesn't change fact that was one of worst CB performances I've ever seen
 

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To me looked like Luiz was going up to chase free runners, cause Germany was running through and destroying Brazil midfield like it was French infantry at Maginot line (sorry)... It was wrong but points to midfield weakness. After the second though, it was a collective breakdown

the whole central spine really upon further examination.

CDM's where invisible/slapped around. Luiz tried to push up to help which only made it worse. FB's did what they always did, admirable effort but up too much too.

The wholes germany exploited thru middle where....well you could drive a truck thruq
 

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:lol: philosophy.

At least scolari won the confed cup and semis. All menez managed to do was get shown up by a team that cost less than neymar in olympics and an early coppa america exit with just 1 win. Playing the same boring football that relied on individuals than the team.

Yeah, safe to say menez would have done fuck-all this world cup. Probably less than scolari.

mano was disgustingly bad.

The only people who like mano are youtube viewers because he started players who showed nothing but were hyped w/ great comps


like you don't think scolari would have taken ganso or pato if there doing ANYTHING of substance recently? I meanthe dude started ronaldinho in 2002 (at 22 despite heavy criticism at psg) and rivaldo (who had fallen out w/ barca and just signed w/ Milan) and Ronaldo just barely off injury.
 
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Luiz is generally not a bad player, but he's SO not a CB to lead a line.

You NEED a guy like Thiago with him keeping him in line or he goes full ******.


Still doesn't change fact that was one of worst CB performances I've ever seen

Agreed.
 

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the whole central spine really upon further examination.

CDM's where invisible/slapped around. Luiz tried to push up to help which only made it worse. FB's did what they always did, admirable effort but up too much too.

The wholes germany exploited thru middle where....well you could drive a truck thruq

I was sure Felipao would start Paulinho in place of Neymar, go with a 4141. Very unlike him to field a lousy midfield.

A lot more did go wrong though.
 

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Mano would have done far worse than Felipao and that's saying something. I cannot imagine Mano's Brazil even able to stand the Chile game. It would have cracked right there.

I was sure Felipao would start Paulinho in place of Neymar, go with a 4141. Very unlike him to field a lousy midfield.

A lot more did go wrong though.

This is a thing that calls my attention Felipao is careful with his midfield selection. I would have expected him to pack the midfield, w/o Neymar your offensive options are a few, without Thiago you're defense is fucked, your best chance is to defend, hope for a set piece or pks.

But alright, that didnt happen. The lack of reaction after 3-0 is the thing you have to question though. Dude, 3-0 is a big trashing, that you're not gonna overcome, tell Luiz that he doesnt have to go attack, and tell Luiz Gustavo to fall down and roll around.

That said, Felipao, Mano, or anyone. This team was begging to crack at some point, maybe not 7-1 like, but when you review the games...the home advantage did anything but help them.
 

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mano was disgustingly bad.

The only people who like mano are youtube viewers because he started players who showed nothing but were hyped w/ great comps


like you don't think scolari would have taken ganso or pato if there doing ANYTHING of substance recently? I meanthe dude started ronaldinho in 2002 (at 22 despite heavy criticism at psg) and rivaldo (who had fallen out w/ barca and just signed w/ Milan) and Ronaldo just barely off injury.

Not Ganso, but Kaka and/or Ronaldinho. And Pato on one leg is better than Fred.
 

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Not Ganso, but Kaka and/or Ronaldinho. And Pato on one leg is better than Fred.

Pato has been even more garbage for the national team and you know it. Atleast Fred performed in the Confed Cup

That being said, why the fuck was Fred continued to be given starts?

Not to mention, how costly was that fuckup with Costa for Scolari?
 

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Yeah... Kaka, ronaldinho and pato were brazil's missing factors :rolleyes:
 

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Of course the same argument that was used when Brazil went out in 2010, and some people still dont realize that neither of those "big" names (I still dont understand why scoring 5 goals against certain rivals grants you being a big name when you've done nothing in the pas).

the answer: 1 player who unofficially retired from professional football in 2008, who wouldn't have even tried to run back to help in defense and who would have been easily marked out of each game because he doesnt move.

Another one that couldn't keep up with top level football because injuries took the best of him. And that is why at 32 (which is still relatively young) he's at MLS and back to his country.

And the one that Mano, the philosopher himself, admited to be "tactically stupid".

To be fair, I would have loved to see Pato's selfie with the scoreline board on his back.

This (and crying for Kaka and Dinho in their threads) is where I realize you guys dont actually like Brazil, you like the names and you're extremely blind to not see that neither 3 would have made the smallest of difference yesterday. They all would have been as helpless as the guys that were on the team. And why? Because the problem wasn't set on the attack, it was set on in the defense, with players that lost the ball and didnt go back for it, tell me when was the last time either of those 3 guys even tried to work on defense? (Kaka did it once last season vs Barca and you all cried that he shouldnt EVER do that).
 
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I'm blaming the whole thing on Adriano

It surprises me people cry about Pato, but Adriano who actually scored got to score 20 goals in a season isn't mentioned. Both pretty much chose lifestyle over football, and neither had any reason to be in a WC squad eitherway, so at least go with the guy who really did show something.

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:head:

Perhaps the biggest dissapointment in football ever.
 

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It surprises me people cry about Pato, but Adriano who actually scored got to score 20 goals in a season isn't mentioned. Both pretty much chose lifestyle over football, and neither had any reason to be in a WC squad eitherway, so at least go with the guy who really did show something.

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:head:

Perhaps the biggest dissapointment in football ever.

I genuinely loved/still love Adriano. He's been forgotten because he did what he did at an Inter Milan team that only ever aimed for 3rd place but for about 2 years he was the best striker in the world, and he had so much more potential too.

Fred shouldn't really have ever been anywhere near a national team call up but when 3 CF's have all ruled themselves out for different reasons you don't have much choice.
 

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Of course the same argument that was used when Brazil went out in 2010, and some people still dont realize that neither of those "big" names (I still dont understand why scoring 5 goals against certain rivals grants you being a big name when you've done nothing in the pas).

the answer: 1 player who unofficially retired from professional football in 2008, who wouldn't have even tried to run back to help in defense and who would have been easily marked out of each game because he doesnt move.

Another one that couldn't keep up with top level football because injuries took the best of him. And that is why at 32 (which is still relatively young) he's at MLS and back to his country.

And the one that Mano, the philosopher himself, admited to be "tactically stupid".

To be fair, I would have loved to see Pato's selfie with the scoreline board on his back.

This (and crying for Kaka and Dinho in their threads) is where I realize you guys dont actually like Brazil, you like the names and you're extremely blind to not see that neither 3 would have made the smallest of difference yesterday. They all would have been as helpless as the guys that were on the team. And why? Because the problem wasn't set on the attack, it was set on in the defense, with players that lost the ball and didnt go back for it, tell me when was the last time either of those 3 guys even tried to work on defense? (Kaka did it once last season vs Barca and you all cried that he shouldnt EVER do that).
Leadership, experience, fear factor, offensive technique (sorely lacking in the current squad) - Kaka and Ronaldinho would bring this.

Pace and an actual reference point upfront - Pato would bring this. Surely hes not that tactically stupid if he managed to score 50 goals in a short serie a career, at least just as much as Fred (who by your standards, since he plays in Brazil is also a retired player).

Of course the biggest culprit is Scolari. If you select a team with no talent like this one, sit back and play like you did in the confederations cup. If you intend to attack, take those who have magic in their feet, and hope for the best. In any case, one difference maker in Neymar isn't enough.
 

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This is a thing that calls my attention Felipao is careful with his midfield selection. I would have expected him to pack the midfield, w/o Neymar your offensive options are a few, without Thiago you're defense is fucked, your best chance is to defend, hope for a set piece or pks.

But alright, that didnt happen. The lack of reaction after 3-0 is the thing you have to question though. Dude, 3-0 is a big trashing, that you're not gonna overcome, tell Luiz that he doesnt have to go attack, and tell Luiz Gustavo to fall down and roll around.

That said, Felipao, Mano, or anyone. This team was begging to crack at some point, maybe not 7-1 like, but when you review the games...the home advantage did anything but help them.

I can bet there's a bit of magical thinking. Bernard is Atletico boy and so Felipão thougth he could set the Mineirão on fire cause the crowd loved him and he would be motivated and so on... He did it before. Its a quite poor reasoning.

Yeah, I agree he should have stopped the game after the second or third... Simulate injury or something. I guess he was just as shocked as the players.
 

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