If we fall out of top 4, we were 2nd at the half way mark. Do we choose to look at it as "well hey, we at least had something going for this season" instead of an absolute failure, even for DaPlan?
It would be a failure. But that's not even addressing my point, though. You are talking about the 12 point difference, without context. It's like talking about Conte being like two points behind Juve when he lost with Inter the first year, when Juve stopped trying the last few rounds.
Quick google search tells me he had more than 1 season at both Lazio and Fiorentina.
Yeah, you're really trying to run with this thing that it's about 1 season. Pioli time at Fiorentina, Lazio, and Inter were all supposed to be "blueprints" for what would happen at Milan. They haven't. You can keep trying. I don't know why. But Godspeed on your quest.
Yea so? Does Scudetto automatically raise your teams level? If your teams level was to compete for CL the season before and the season after, what makes you say the Scudetto is the rule and not the exception?
The Scudetto is a pretty big data point. Whether you are gauging "expectations" or whether you are talking about "progress" or a "plan."
It's being treated like a cup-run. It is a league title. League titles require consistency. It's just a big thing that if you want to talk about Pioli being "found out" that you have to deal with. I don't think you do, if I'm being honest.
You want to bring up post-covid but what about this? All Pioli's work as well that season. Those didn't contribute to us finishing 6th? Why should I only care about post-covid?
Sure, you want to talk about Pioli's results, sure, let's go. More context. Why not? Let's talk about how injuries ruins his plans? Let's talk about the refs aiding Napoli and Inter in keeping last year even close? I mean, my point is that you expand and contract context as it suits you.
If anything, doesn't this go against
the idea that Pioli starts out hot then gets found out?
He started like shit
and then got better? Please respond to this point.
Bro, I think I've explained Tata in multiple ways now, I don't know if you are just missing the point on purpose so you can make the narrative of "you guys spin as well".
I want you to bring the same energy for Thiaw as you do for Tata. You said (and it was a fair point) that you expect more from Bennacer. Cool. Now go after Tata's previous performances like... Pobega or Messias or Salad. If you're going to hang your hat on the one good game Tata has had this year, then maybe I'm not the one missing the point?
Defense has been poor. Yelling at a teammate when you are performing as poorly as Tomori is bad form, 0 spin there.
Tomori hasn't been in the lineup, and things are even worse without him. I think Tata has done a lot of things that have warranted being yelled at. Why Maldini hasn't gotten a new keeper is looking worse and worse, especially the longer and longer Maignan is out. That
point, I agree with (you made it before).
First of all, if you feel like I dismissed, I am sorry.
I don't, I appreciate the apology but none was necessary, I love you. I like arguing. I wish more people understood that it's just a game to me, not some titanic struggle of good and evil.
I asked you to explain what makes those stats so great and so definitive to tell me that Tata is hands down THE problem. You weren't able to explain and blew me off saying it's just what stats nerds used so I pinged brk instead. So, no, I didn't know "I was defeated", rather I knew you were set on making a point that I already agreed with (Tata sucks).
Brk said it's a crude method and need data over span of several years, hence I don't feel like the data presented here adds weight. Considering the amount of chances we were GIFTING opponents.
I didn't blow you off, I can explain it, but I had work, and felt like you were ignoring something so blatant, so my bad. But no, I've never said that Tata is "THE"
problem. He's just a massive problem. Like I said above, seeing "negativity force" suddenly leap to the defense
of someone who is underperforming? Why? Because it messes with the ultimate thesis that the whole team sucks and should be relegated and all sorts of other bullshit?
We had a semi-pro keeper break down
why Tata was at fault for so much, and you didn't want to hear that either, so, come on now.
If you don't like that data, then never bring up data to me again, lol. I'm going to be such an asshole if you do.
Again, absolutely NOBODY is saying this. Every Tata defender I've seen admits he isn't good but thinks we have way bigger problems.
Lol. If we had Maignan instead of Tata, are things better or worse?
We are a fighter who swings for KOs and cannot technically box. We also leave wide openings when we swing for fences and we have shit take down defense. With all these factors combined, we are swinging wildly, exposed, and we get KOed. Yes, we have a weak chin, but we also have shit EVERYTHING else leading up to the KO. Tata is LITERALLY gone this summer.
Maybe it's because of my profession but Tata is a 1-liner code fix where as we have spaghetti code up and down rest of our roster. So no, buying Sportiello wouldn't make a single difference if Pioli is going to continue with his failing kamikaze press.
I think this narrative over our style is simplistic, I think Pioli has shown before
that the team and he can make adjustments. This year? He hasn't. I think Pioli has been a moron and the team can do a lot of different things. The man played Messias at RCM. The only reason I'm not clamoring for his immediate firing is because who would replace him? And
I don't code and I don't box or do MMA, but I think having a horrific keeper makes a huge difference, even to strong teams. Look at Liverpool before and after they got Karius. Look at their league position
You are welcome to dig for receipts
No, I'm mad at you, I dig for stats and receipts, and you don't even care!