The Rumour Commode XLIV: Paragliding to Piolistine Crisis

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KujaIX

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I don't agree. He's always been a fantastic GK even. As a fellow countrymen I never lost sight of him and never understood why it took so long for big clubs to finally give him a chance.

True, he almost fucked it up with Bayern. Tho it has also to be said that the German press was very harsh on him. They didn't like a no-name (undeserved IMO) like him to take over from their golden boy Neuer.

A lot of Bayern fans were actually too on his side and taking a stance against the press putting pressure on him and talking him down every weekend after a not pitch perfect performance.

He started shaky at Inter too, visibly scared from that Bayern experience, but hit then finally the curve. He's now back to the level I'm quite uses to see of him. For example, when Italy won the Euros and Donnarumma got awarded not only best GK of the tournament but even MVP, I couldn't believe it. Not only was Donnarumma quite shaky. Sommer was single handedly keeping Switzerland on the tournament for much longer than deserved! And he repeated that performance in Qatar, especially against France!

Sommer is and has always been a fantastic goalkeeper. Lucky them they got themselves such an upgrade while earning a shit ton of money on the sale of the other imposter.
Sommer has always been the keeper people think of when they think of Ochoa.

Superman for Switzerland and actually able to cut it in the big leagues too. I was never in doubt he'd be a success at Inter. The only downside compared to Onana is that Sommer is 7 years older.
 

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This was a predictable outcome, and if they were 1st in Serie A and the CL this interview probably doesn't happen. But you made choices that required you to show out. You don't make those moves to finish 3rd, while the underlying problems that existed before are still there or have gotten worse.

Again, as I said times and times again, I'm not questioning what he said. Or why he said it. I always said I get where he's coming from and why he chose this moment of all moments to let that nuclear bomb drop on Gerrys head. I also said it was bound to happen. So it's not coming as a surprise either.

My point, and only point, is: While you can argue that the timing shouldn't matter or a "simple interview", to use an euphemism when it's Maldini of all people who speaks, shouldn't destabilize the club - and you're probably right -, it for sure didn't help our team, players and coach either. That's not even arguable.

Imagine we'd lost against Frosinone, a tricky opponent who has only two points less than Atalanta, our next opponent. Damn together with that interview, the heat on our team would have gotten insufferable. I'm 100% sure of that. And that's not something I'm going to support or even cheer about.

Did Gerry bring that upon himself? Maybe. Does that give Maldini the right to do what he did, even at the expense of the team he claims to put above himself? Of course! Do I have to like it and scream "go get'em tiger!" or otherwise I'm going to be labeled a legend hating, company dick sucking cuck by @Deep Fried Pizza & Chips? Hell no.
 
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Sommer has always been the keeper people think of when they think of Ochoa.

Superman for Switzerland and actually able to cut it in the big leagues too. I was never in doubt he'd be a success at Inter. The only downside compared to Onana is that Sommer is 7 years older.

And he's rather short for a GK. That's his biggest limit. But it didn't stop Bartez from winning a WC either so... When you're good, you're good.
 

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Again, as I said times and times again, I'm not questioning what he said. Or why he said it. I always said I get where he's coming from and why he chose this moment of all moments to let that nuclear bomb drop on Gerrys head. I also said it was bound to happen. So it's not coming as a surprise neither.

My point, and only point, is: While you can argue that the timing shouldn't matter or a "simple interview", to use an euphemism when it's Maldini of all people who speaks, shouldn't destabilize the club - and you're probably right -, it for sure didn't help our team, players and coach either. That's not even arguable.

Imagine we'd lost against Frosinone, a tricky opponent who has only two points less than Atalanta, our next opponent. Damn together with that interview, the heat in our team would have gotten insufferable. I'm 100% sure of that. And that's not something I'm going to support or even cheer about.

Did Gerry bring that upon himself? Maybe. Does that give Maldini the right to do what he did, even at the expense of the team he claims to put above himself? Of course! Do I have to like it and scream "go get'em tiger!" or otherwise I'm going to be labeled a legend hating, company dick sucking cuck by @Deep Fried Pizza & Chips? Hell no.
My point is that exposing your squad to these sorts of distractions are a consequence of Redbird's actions.

Actions have consequences. Tonali and Donna both got very different receptions from Milan fans when they came to San Siro, not because they left, but because of the context of what happened.

If we lost to a newly promoted side, that would be on Pioli and his team. Pioli doesn't need distractions to lose to relegation teams, anyway. The statistics around his tenure with injuries was laid out and was stark. His record against big teams in big games has become worse, and we are worse off points wise than we were last year (I believe).

I am not cheering on Maldini's words either, and while I don't want to speak on behalf of our enigmatic Scotsman I hope my high esteem for you is clear.

I just find the situation we are in, and those comments from Maldini, as a by-product of the choices of our management. Redbird were championed as ruthless corporate executives; and they have shown creativity, ingenuity, and expertise (so far) when it came to circumventing byzantine Italian regulations in identifying San Donato and purchasing the company developing that land for the stadium.

However, on the sporting side? I see lateral or regression. We have quietly returned to our 4231, while our injuries are worse. How you handle situations, like Maldini's firing, is just another example of how they are coming up short. There is a business utility in having manners, which is why I found the justification for his treatment as bad for business.

So the management opened this door, and that's the problem, because this isn't an isolated example of their processes being poor, but the latest in a series.
 

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My point is that exposing your squad to these sorts of distractions are a consequence of Redbird's actions.

Actions have consequences. Tonali and Donna both got very different receptions from Milan fans when they came to San Siro, not because they left, but because of the context of what happened.

If we lost to a newly promoted side, that would be on Pioli and his team. Pioli doesn't need distractions to lose to relegation teams, anyway. The statistics around his tenure with injuries was laid out and was stark. His record against big teams in big games has become worse, and we are worse off points wise than we were last year (I believe).

I am not cheering on Maldini's words either, and while I don't want to speak on behalf of our enigmatic Scotsman I hope my high esteem for you is clear.

I just find the situation we are in, and those comments from Maldini, as a by-product of the choices of our management. Redbird were championed as ruthless corporate executives; and they have shown creativity, ingenuity, and expertise (so far) when it came to circumventing byzantine Italian regulations in identifying San Donato and purchasing the company developing that land for the stadium.

However, on the sporting side? I see lateral or regression. We have quietly returned to our 4231, while our injuries are worse. How you handle situations, like Maldini's firing, is just another example of how they are coming up short. There is a business utility in having manners, which is why I found the justification for his treatment as bad for business.

So the management opened this door, and that's the problem, because this isn't an isolated example of their processes being poor, but the latest in a series.
 

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How is he not overrated? He got shortlisted for Ballon d´Or and some people even argued that he should win it:lol::lol::lol:.
If you don't appreciate Thomas Muller I don't know what to tell you.

At times he's been in the world top 10, and a stable performer over a decade and a half. Would love to welcome a champion like him, even though I find Germans mostly weird and him certainly in the upper echelon of weirdness.

The experienced leader types we've chosen have done well. Although this link might be bullshit, I've always appreciated his professionalism.
 

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Someone needs to investigate what they do with their GKs. Onana was a notorious bum with one of the funniest and richest blunders collection, yet he looked like one of the best GKs in the world. The second he left merda he started being himself again. Now Sommer who was always a decent keepet but nothing more is playing the best football of his career.

what exactly are you insinuating? Onana always had the talent but United is a graveyard for any player .. Sommer has always been class
 

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He has 583 g+a for Bayern and Germany, and 33 trophies throughout his career. Comparing him to Nocerino is simply disrespectful.
He gets respected far too much. Also now that the NT sucks he isn't doing much and cannot even step up as a striker now that they are incredibly short of strikers.

müller is more farmer than footballer tbh but he has mastered 'getting on base'

got the absolute most out of his career with his limited skill/talent
That's definitely true and one has to give him that.
 

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I largely agree with your post until this part:


The management made this happen, not simply by firing Maldini, but by throwing mud at him. They did. It is not just Scaroni publicly bashing him, but how they kept leaking to the press all the horrible stuff Maldini was supposedly going to do, all wrapped up with placing CDK squarely on him. Pirlo rumors, and on and on. Making him look terrible.

They could have fired him, and just said "we appreciate him, he will always be our legend, but we are going to make a change in direction." They tried to mitigate the heat for their choices, by shitting on him.

Maybe it was all true? Maybe Maldini has fooled everyone for decades? Maybe he was power hungry, wanted Pirlo, and slapped babies in the face too?

Fine, you fired him, that was enough heat, you sold Tonali, which has aged well because of his stupidity with gambling, but it was a big decision. Why give him reason to respond? Whether you think he's defending himself or betraying the club, it was still something created by choices of the management, which again, isn't about firing him or not.

The choices the management made were big choices and they made it very clear that Maldini was the one holding the team back with his transfers and that he shackled Pioli. The reports are there, the comments from Scaroni and Furlani are there, the comments about directors not being at signings because of egos--all of that stuff is there, they made sure to pile on.

If they won, they'd be vindicated. Things don't look great right now, and maybe they will win in the end? I hope they do. Genuinely, I do.

When Berlusconi took over Milan, he made choices that were unpopular. Firing Liedholm and then hiring Sacchi, were daring moves but they worked. If they failed, Berlusconi would have been widely mocked, but his ability to create success was part of his entire branding and how he used sports to further his political ambitions and profile.

You know all these things, of course, but for me, Redbird made big moves that look... lateral, so far. Again, I hope Jovic becomes Sheva and Musah is Seedorf and Pellegrino gets his number retired, while Chuk becomes the next Salah and Robben combined.

But they chose this path. A brash path. One that required results. Whether you think our Scudetto was a fluke or not, whether it was lucky or not, it happened, it raised the bar of expectations. And so did the CL semi final. Same deal, lucky or not, fluke or not, these milestones have had a clear impact on how this team is discussed.

So what Maldini did, you're right. It was released at a time when Maldini looks the most right. If they go on to win the CL, Maldini will be mocked. If they finish outside the top four, Redbird will be crushed.

But the nature of his comments are a product of their choices. How they decided to handle it.

Maldini's words carry weight, but if the players cannot cope with some added pressure then we are fucked. If management can't deal with pressure, then we're really fucked, because they don't have the goodwill to weather storms, and they have acted in a way that ensured they didn't. Which is fine, if you win.

Larry Bird trash talking wouldn't be funny if he was terrible. Berlusconi being brash and bombastic wouldn't be endearing to his supporters if he had Moratti-like results.

Which is why I find comparisons to Mirabelli to be odd. Mirabelli has continued to talk a lot, but worse yet, he had one summer where he spent an insane amount of money... and the team was terrible. If Mirabelli built a squad who were largely great, people would listen to him more, but even more importantly--and correct me if I'm wrong--the club didn't go out of its way to shit on him. The fiasco of the Li era, and his squad, were on full display.

I wasn't thrilled that Maldini spoke out. I was expecting that it would take a while for us to hear his side. But, I get why he did it. Redbird put themselves in this spot. If we want to talk about Maldini talking to the press when he was our TD still, okay fine. Let's also look at Redbird management there: they asked him to write a plan to win the CL. That was their bar. They didn't communicate with him about it, and cut his budget, severely. If the bar for them is winning the CL (music to my ears btw) but they're cutting the budget and not talking to him, what do they expect their very famous and admired TD is going to do when you (the management) parade him to convince people of the viability of your project and the need to move from San Siro?

I see incompetence and a distinct lack of strategic thinking.

Again, let's assume Maldini was all the things they said, an ego maniac, who punched orphans. Your customers (fans) love him and listen to him and you sell his face to make money, if you treat him like shit, it's going to come back at you, badly.

All I see is mismanagement, honestly. Gazidis's reputation has been enhanced by his time at Milan, at Arsenal he is reviled. But Maldini talking about what he had to fight for, etc, fine, every organization has these stories, even prime Galliani and Braida and all them. Elliott seems to have been the most shrewd here, but again, what I see is ego-driven choices by Redbird.

Again, not about firing Maldini, I am assuming it was the correct decision for my point about the larger mismanagement of Redbird, the mismanagement here is in how you handled Maldini, as an employee (you could have let him go when you took over and taken that heat but you didn't want to) and how you handled yourself after you terminated him.

This was a predictable outcome, and if they were 1st in Serie A and the CL this interview probably doesn't happen. But you made choices that required you to show out. You don't make those moves to finish 3rd, while the underlying problems that existed before are still there or have gotten worse.
If i knew how to put my thoughts to text, it would look exactly like this. Thanks
 

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Someone needs to investigate what they do with their GKs. Onana was a notorious bum with one of the funniest and richest blunders collection, yet he looked like one of the best GKs in the world. The second he left merda he started being himself again. Now Sommer who was always a decent keepet but nothing more is playing the best football of his career.

another moratta w, a big one if true
from july 15

it's clear that sommer will be a success playing with 3atb in front of him

onana has been a nutcase during his inter period as well, fighting with teammates in the field.. it was just less exposure than man utd where every small incident blows up in the media there
 

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Well Scaroni´s words about being more united without Maldini and putting CDK on him have besically been indirectly confirmed by Maldini in his interview. He made a point about CDK specifically and said in essence that he didn't like Scaroni, Furlani, Cardinale and Gazidis and even complained about Elliot when they questioned him on his transfers. In an ideal world all sides should shut up of course.

I cannot recall any link between the Pirlo rumor and Redbird, maybe true but it is even questionable if that rumor would actually hurt Maldini.
 

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Well Scaroni´s words about being more united without Maldini and putting CDK on him have besically been indirectly confirmed by Maldini in his interview. He made a point about CDK specifically and said in essence that he didn't like Scaroni, Furlani, Cardinale and Gazidis and even complained about Elliot when they questioned him on his transfers. In an ideal world all sides should shut up of course.

I cannot recall any link between the Pirlo rumor and Redbird, maybe true but it is even questionable if that rumor would actually hurt Maldini.
Who cares about Pirlo rumors?

He renewed a literal moron after his moronic displays last year and still backed him in the interview after his even bigger moronic displays this season. Notice how that doesn’t get mentioned :lol:


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Who cares about Pirlo rumors?

He renewed a literal moron after his moronic displays last year and still backed him in the interview after his even bigger moronic displays this season. Notice how that doesn’t get mentioned :lol:


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müller is more farmer than footballer tbh but he has mastered 'getting on base'

got the absolute most out of his career with his limited skill/talent
Fucking machine for a decade, one of @calum ‘s favorite player. There is job to be done just do it.

I don’t know how he still an asset for Milan, then I look at ibra and Oliver here.
 

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I said this in my original post. As long as Pioli is our coach, we will have injuries. It doesn't matter if we play once or twice a week, the butcher will kill our squad either way. There are some lesser opponents in EL, sure. But even against a team like Rangers, or Sporting, we would have a soldout San Siro, pocketing us additional 6-7mil euro. If we make all the way to the semifinal, it would mean 20mil+ only in ticket sales. Even if the prize money is far lower than CL, it still is better than nothing. An EL semifinal can allow us an additional Pulisic level investment.

The Sadist Pioli being here or not doesn't really change anything with regards to playing in the EL and the fixture fuckery it brings. I would still say the same thing even if we had Carlo or Pep here about the EL. I've seen plenty of teams struggle in the league with long EL runs. Unless they have a really strong squad they usually end up concentrating on 1 competition. Serie A is always the most important for me. The EL is basically when you're having a nice sleep and you have to get up in the middle of the night for a piss and you cannot get back to sleep.

Serie A and flexibility? :lol: Have you already forgotten this?
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We became the first team in top5 leagues to play 2 away games in 3 days. We played on Wednesday, and than on Saturday. Serie A is anything but flexible with us.


You're cherry picking. I clearly said Serie A make the fixtures flexible for the knockout rounds of the CL. Before the 1st leg vs Spurs we played Torino on Friday and Spurs on Tue. Then we played Empoli on the Friday and played the 1st leg vs Napoli on the Weds. Napoli played Sassuolo on Friday before the 1st leg vs Frankfurt which was on a Tues. Then they also played vs Leece on the same day as we did vs Empoli. Inter played the Friday vs Spezia and Porto on Tue in the last 16 2nd leg and Salernitana Friday before they played Benfica on the Tue in the 1st leg.

Had enough or do you want the 21/22 season?

You still haven't answered my question from the last post. What result would you like against Newcastle? Given that there is a really small chance that Dortmund beat PSG. Would you like to loose the match? I absolutely hate seeing us loose, no matter the opponent, no matter the importance of the match.

I'm not an Infidel I always want Milan to win.

I haven't cared 'cared' about my teams losing since the 90's. Why? The result on its own doesn't give any context on what actually happened. Have a moan about it and move on. The whole tribalism OMG I'm going to be a angry miserable insufferable cunt for the rest of the day/days to follow is all rather boring.

The Process when it's working and when its broken and not being fixed are more important to me than the outcome of results. If the process is continually going in the right direction then the outcomes should take care of itself.
 

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Fucking machine for a decade, one of @calum ‘s favorite player. There is job to be done just do it.

I don’t know how he still an asset for Milan, then I look at ibra and Oliver here.
his greatest strengths are by far his outstanding positional awareness and football iq. highly intelligent player.

he would probably fit in very well in italy although he has played his whole career in the same system/team. even german national team is/was a light bayern version. so idk how much impact he would have here since he's more of a system player than someone who’s dominating the play.

he would be a typical inter transfer. experienced free-agent veteran on a high salary.
10 years ago, dottore would have struck:gt:
 

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Anyone with a readable take on Juan Miranda?
 

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Re: Miranda, I initially had a bout of depression because I thought we signed a bum as a Theo replacement. Not saying we're not, and anyone reading my posts in here knows I'd sacrifice a kidney to keep Theo until retirement, but it seems like this guy may be a very interesting and promising signing at LB.

I've been thinking a lot of the impossibility of our LB situation. Theo is too supreme for anyone to want to join as his second, but if selling is the way and Theo being open to leave after the Maldini sacking, maybe some promising Miranda showings next spring may soften the blow? If Miranda is very strong but not an eternal starter even on crutches, maybe it allows us to have two strong options and continuous competition.

Just trying to think within the scope of all that is possible.

And my kidney is here, God.
 

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