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We need to change coach for the social aspect first and foremost, not for the tactical one. Even if we get a coach who is worse tactically it would probably be a net gain if he unites and motivates the squad. Getting top 4 is absolutely realistic and must be achieved.
 

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According to the report, Jorge Mendes was behind the possible deal and remains a crucial figure despite not formally representing the player.

Sport claims that Leao is ‘tired’ of his situation in Milan and that his price tag is naturally dropping due to his issues in San Siro.

Barcelona have prioritised the purchase of a left winger in 2025 and are waiting to see if they can have an opportunity to sign the Portuguese star next summer for an affordable fee.
 

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It's mistakes left, right and centre though from the management. The correct move would've been to loan him out and keep Adli.

If Musah doesn't work in a 3 - with Fofana and Reijnders - then I can't think of a 3 he would work in. You tell me.
He's never going to be the most attacking of the 3. So he's probably supposed to be the mezzala.. I also think thats what Fofana probably wants to be and would be best at.

Why does he deserve so much patience? Close to 50 apps. 3 assists, no goals and I can't remember a performance where you'd give him a 7 out of 10.
Haven't seen any potential. Currently he isn't good enough to be a deputy
I'm not willing to write off too many young players at Milan when we've seen our stars stagnate and players have such yo yo seasons.

Milanello doesn't look like an environment for many to flourish in currently...

Has Musah played well, mostly no. Do I write him off no. Is he at the root of our issues, no.

Not having better players ahead of him and proper formation that suits this group is the issue.

Like Calabria, he's not at the centre of our issues.

We're a cluster fuck from the top down.
 
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Yh that was a huge error considering what happened next.

Iirc he averaged close to 2 points a game. Even gave atleti a good run for their money in the home leg. And we battered inter so bad in the derbi their club legend zaneti couldn't even make a sub appearance in his last derbi.

I'd still take.him back today. Maybe not as a manager but definitely a coach. The guy is just full of footballing knowledge.
I was there! My first and (still) only visit to San Siro. Clarence is still my fav midfielder - goat tier!
 

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If they hire a B level interim coach then they've thrown in the towel for this season.
That's what we've been doing for the past 30 years.

We got one scudetto/decade. This team is an absolute joke in Serie A, and for the past 17 years in Europe as well.
 

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The old saying ‘be careful what you wish for’ was uttered by some after Stefano Pioli was given the boot at the end of last season, and they might just be repeating it now.

Milan’s difficult start to the 2024-25 season has drawn comparisons with the start to Marco Giampaolo’s tenure five years ago, one which didn’t last very long and saw Pioli come in to try and fix what was broken.

An almost half-decade journey then followed under Pioli, delivering a Scudetto and a Champions League semi-final, but when he left at the end of last season the overwhelming consensus was that his time had come.

Are the Rossoneri better off? Our colleagues at SempreMilan.it compared the first 12 games of last season with Fonseca’s start so far.

The results

The first item to analyse is obviously the one related to the points obtained: 23 for Pioli (including two in the Champions League), 17 for Fonseca (including three in the Champions League).

To further undermine the position of the Portuguese coach is the fact that Milan did not fail to obtain 20 points from this many games in the league during any full season under the previous coach (2020-21 onwards).

In the first 12 games of last season with Pioli on the bench, Milan conceded 12 goals and lost three games, while under Fonseca they have conceded 16 goals and lost five match.

The three games lost by the Parma-born manager were all against high-profile opponents such as Juventus, PSG and Inter. Eight of the 12 goals conceded were in two of those games (the embarrassing 5-1 against Inter and three against PSG).

Fonseca’s defeats have almost all come against teams that are on paper a mix, such as Parma and Fiorentina but also Liverpool, Bayer Leverkusen and Napoli.

It is above all the distribution of goals conceded by Fonseca that is worrying: there are six matches in which the Rossoneri have conceded at least two goals, exactly 50% of the games played.

The attack

In terms of goals scored, Fonseca’s side have scored 20 in the first 12 games of the season, which four more than Pioli last year. Scoring goals has not been a problem, and they have only failed to score in two games thus far.

However, under Pioli, there were 152 shots (12 per game) of which 50 were on target (an average of 4.1 per game), a figure that shows his team were not very precise in front of goal.

One thing worth mentioning is that under Fonseca Milan have been able to count upon 11 different scorers so far this season: Okafor, Abraham, Gabbia, Chukwueze, Pavlovic, Leao, Reijnders, Fofana, Morata, Theo and Pulisic.

With the Portuguese in the first 12 games, Milan have had an average of 14.5 shots per game (174), of which only 5.6 per match were on target. With the new coach, the Diavolo shoot more but hit the target at the same rate as last season with Pioli.

The build-up​

Moving on to the build-up phase of the game, the number of Live-ball Passes (a pass with the ball in play that led to a shot) rewards Fonseca with an average of 18.3 (220 total) while Pioli stands at 16.8 per game (202).

However, looking at the same data but relating to the passes that led to a goal, things change: Fonseca’s Milan in this area have an average of 1.6 per game, while Pioli in the same number of games last season built 1.8 goals from passing actions.

Given the emphasis that the former Lille and Roma coach placed on possession-based domination and radically changing the style of football, the only statistic that truly speaks in his favour is the goals scored.

Where Milan have improved under Fonseca is, perhaps surprisingly, in the number of goals scored from set pieces: last year under Pioli there was only one goal from a dead-ball situation in 12 games, while with Fonseca the figure rises to four.
 

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That's what we've been doing for the past 30 years.

We got one scudetto/decade. This team is an absolute joke in Serie A, and for the past 17 years in Europe as well.
Napoli were considered a fluke scudetto when they won and were garbage last season. They went out and got a top coach and it looks like they may win it again.
 

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Carlo Pellegatti believes that AC Milan ‘might as well have hired Antonio Conte’ given what we have seen so far from Paulo Fonseca in terms of his outspoken nature.

Conte was the coach that some Milan fans had been loudly calling for over the summer as they believed he represented a step towards more ambitious aims. Naturally, his Napoli side came to San Siro on Tuesday evening and won 2-0 and going 11 points ahead in the table.

One of the reasons given for not hiring the Italian came from Zlatan Ibrahimovic, who implied that Conte requires too much control and is more of a manager than a head coach. In other words, the Milan management wanted to keep calling all the shots, and without any public undermining.

Yet, Fonseca so far has shown himself to be more than willing to make tough decisions and make bold statements in the media, while he has also been left alone at Milanello with the squad given the repeated absence of directors.

Pellegatti spoke to Pressing about the decision to go for Fonseca instead of Conte and the situation Milan currently find themselves in, with MilanNews relaying his comments.

“Of course there are regrets. Ibrahimovic explained his no to Conte by saying that Milan were looking for a coach and not a manager. But at the moment Fonseca, for better or for worse, is acting like a manager because he is always alone at Milanello,” he said.

“They say that there are always contacts, but telephone contacts are one thing, the players need to see the directors. The day after the heavy 2-0 defeat against Napoli with Milan at -11 or -8 if they win the recovery match against Bologna, there was no one at Milanello from the management.

“Fonseca, for better or worse, is working as a manager. So to leave him alone at Milanello they might as well have got Conte. He would have come running and with great enthusiasm to the Rossoneri.”
 

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Napoli were considered a fluke scudetto when they won and were garbage last season. They went out and got a top coach and it looks like they may win it again.
I wasn't disagreeing with you, I wanted a top coach even after we won the scudetto under Pioli, as he was clearly not the guy to guide us forward.

Specifically Conte, we had n opportunities to get him, and we wasted them all.
 

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I wasn't disagreeing with you, I wanted a top coach even after we won the scudetto under Pioli, as he was clearly not the guy to guide us forward.

Specifically Conte, we had n opportunities to get him, and we wasted them all.
Not just Conte. There were a lot of top coaches available this summer which you don't normally see. Milan decided to pick from the bottom of the shelf as they usually do.

For some reason they continue to push this 4-2-3-1 formation which hasn't worked. I think this group of players is much more suited for a 4-3-3. This team was built to attack and outscore opponents. They don't have a roster of players that specialize in defending.
 

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One major issue on the field and not just with Fonseca as coach is lack of organised systems of tactical plays. The same issues were evident with Pioli especially after winning the Scudetto.

In so many of the games I see confusion among the players there is no cohesion or clear tactical plan evident in the build up or when defending a counter.

If a successful tactical set up works for one team it becomes the only set up used. Just because it worked against one team doesn’t mean it will work against every other team.

There is no tactical variation. Different opponents require alternative tactical strategies.

Off the field there are so many major and bigger issues that have never been addressed since RedBird’s takeover. Resulting in an underlying toxic environment.

Currently it is every man for himself (especially amongst management) and this is one of several reasons things have unraveled in the way they have for Milan.
 

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Napoli have been massively overperforming at this stage, getting 6.54 more points than what they have been expected to. We're underperforming by 3 points.

I think at some point things will stabilize a bit and we'll start getting points at a better rate than we have so far, and Napoli will probably slow down.

It's still way too early for any of these stats to be useful, but having a 6 point differential between points and expected points is really stunning after 10 games.
no man, we already had this debate

good teams will always overperform by these stats

look at the last champions:
inter overperformed by 11 points
napoli overperformed by 12 points
milan overperformed by 13 points
inter overperformed by 14 points
 

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It was presumed that there would be the usual pre-match press conference on the eve of the game, which would be tomorrow, at Milanello. Normally they take place after the training session, so at 14:30 CET.

However, MilanNews are now reporting that no media activities are planned prior to the match, therefore Fonseca’s pre-match press conference will not take place tomorrow and he will not answer questions from journalists as usual.

It must be remarked that at certain times under Stefano Pioli when there was an important Champions League game coming up (Real Madrid is next Tuesday night) he would sometimes forego a press conference before the next league game and speak to Milan TV instead.

However, it is the first presser that Fonseca will miss since being hired in the summer and it will certainly fuel speculation that not all is rosy at the club.
 

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Carlo Pellegatti believes that AC Milan ‘might as well have hired Antonio Conte’ given what we have seen so far from Paulo Fonseca in terms of his outspoken nature.

Conte was the coach that some Milan fans had been loudly calling for over the summer as they believed he represented a step towards more ambitious aims. Naturally, his Napoli side came to San Siro on Tuesday evening and won 2-0 and going 11 points ahead in the table.

One of the reasons given for not hiring the Italian came from Zlatan Ibrahimovic, who implied that Conte requires too much control and is more of a manager than a head coach. In other words, the Milan management wanted to keep calling all the shots, and without any public undermining.

Yet, Fonseca so far has shown himself to be more than willing to make tough decisions and make bold statements in the media, while he has also been left alone at Milanello with the squad given the repeated absence of directors.

Pellegatti spoke to Pressing about the decision to go for Fonseca instead of Conte and the situation Milan currently find themselves in, with MilanNews relaying his comments.

“Of course there are regrets. Ibrahimovic explained his no to Conte by saying that Milan were looking for a coach and not a manager. But at the moment Fonseca, for better or for worse, is acting like a manager because he is always alone at Milanello,” he said.

“They say that there are always contacts, but telephone contacts are one thing, the players need to see the directors. The day after the heavy 2-0 defeat against Napoli with Milan at -11 or -8 if they win the recovery match against Bologna, there was no one at Milanello from the management.

“Fonseca, for better or worse, is working as a manager. So to leave him alone at Milanello they might as well have got Conte. He would have come running and with great enthusiasm to the Rossoneri.”
This is what Zlatan should take on ideally. He was a high level pro and could help the squad. You cannot really ask that from Furlani, it is not his job and he needs to travel for commercial stuff obviously and Moncada is too shy for that role. It is also a shame that people like Baresi are doing absolutely nothing in that regard.

However even if you have to take on a more manager like role it doesn't mean that you have to rock the boat at every opportunity. Fonseca is so aggressive with that that he ends up sabotaging himself.
 

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Seems Fonseca will dangle a carrot in front of this management all season. I can see them sticking with him because we'll be in/around CL spots. A few good results, followed by a bad one. JUST enough to make them stick with him.

Example, look at the next few games:
1) Monza (win) - sticks around/confidence again
2) Real - no matter what happens, they'll keep him because apparently "it's now normal for Milan to never win a big CL game"
3) Cagliari (win) - confidence again

At this point, we'd already be at the end of November before we play Juventus followed by a run of "easy" games against Slovan, Empoli and Sassuolo.

So yea....as long as we don't lose against Monza/Cagliari/Empoli/Slovan....Fonseca will be here to start 2025.
Bro, that's very optimistic.

You think we are going to win back to back away games?!
5 defeats, 3 draws and 1 loss in our last 9 away games. The "away" win was at San Siro.
 

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One major issue on the field and not just with Fonseca as coach is lack of organised systems of tactical plays. The same issues were evident with Pioli especially after winning the Scudetto.

In so many of the games I see confusion among the players there is no cohesion or clear tactical plan evident in the build up or when defending a counter.

If a successful tactical set up works for one team it becomes the only set up used. Just because it worked against one team doesn’t mean it will work against every other team.

There is no tactical variation. Different opponents require alternative tactical strategies.

Off the field there are so many major and bigger issues that have never been addressed since RedBird’s takeover. Resulting in an underlying toxic environment.

Currently it is every man for himself (especially amongst management) and this is one of several reasons things have unraveled in the way they have for Milan.
It was mentioned the other day that under Maldini, there was a family atmosphere. I think if we can find a Director that can create that family feeling and be a leader and mentor, we could then bring in a tactician that's a hard task master. Good cop / bad cop if you will.

As it is there's no one leading the group, no one to look up to and seek guidance or instruction it seems.

Players are dumb, manager is dumb, owners are dumb... There's a pattern.

Players can learn though... You sharpen yourself against someone stronger.

We're like fucking melting butter most of the time, from the top down.
 

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I'm not willing to write off too many young players at Milan when we've seen our stars stagnate and players have such yo yo seasons.

Milanello doesn't look like an environment for many to flourish in currently...

Has Musah played well, mostly no. Do I write him off no. Is he at the root of our issues, no.

Not having better players ahead of him and proper formation that suits this group is the issue.

Like Calabria, he's not at the centre of our issues.

We're a cluster fuck from the top down.


His first touch is attrocious a lot of times in a game. He doesn’t have much composire or game sense too I think.

Plus he gives off vibes of some one who is not too ambitious or intelligent.
 

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It was mentioned the other day that under Maldini, there was a family atmosphere. I think if we can find a Director that can create that family feeling and be a leader and mentor, we could then bring in a tactician that's a hard task master. Good cop / bad cop if you will.

As it is there's no one leading the group, no one to look up to and seek guidance or instruction it seems.

Players are dumb, manager is dumb, owners are dumb... There's a pattern.

Players can learn though... You sharpen yourself against someone stronger.

We're like fucking melting butter most of the time, from the top down.
Exactly Milan as a club has lost the sense of itself. Its identity, personality and purpose.

With no one leading the club by example Milan has fallen into a stasis of indifference. From higher management right down to the players.

When the owner suggests winning all the time is boring or negative, what kind of message does that send to the players representing the club.

The initial resurgence has been destabilised and has lost its way.
 

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I met Theo today and he signed his figurine. He said they are not happy and they are to blame but they will fight until the end

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I like that answer. And I hate you. ❤️
 

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I'm a bit surprised by the timing of the Fonseca bashing. Going into the Napoli game, missing half the starters, including our most consistent and important one (Pulisic, not whatever ibuprofen-drugged player walked onto the pitch later that night), I honestly expected much worse.

Did people really expect us to win that game? Like – really!?

In fact, I'm surprised by how superior we looked to Napoli despite all the absences. Then again, our usual banal errors in defense let us down – new match, same story. Fonseca has yet to convince tactically, 100% agreed.

But judging by how the negativity has increased over the last couple of hours, one would think we went into that game as clear favorites, as if we were playing Virtus Entella and the loss came totally unexpectedly.
 

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I'm a bit surprised by the timing of the Fonseca bashing. Going into the Napoli game, missing half the starters, including our most consistent and important one (Pulisic, not whatever ibuprofen-drugged player walked onto the pitch later that night), I honestly expected much worse.

Did people really expect us to win that game? Like – really!?

In fact, I'm surprised by how superior we looked to Napoli despite all the absences. Then again, our usual banal errors in defense let us down – new match, same story. Fonseca has yet to convince tactically, 100% agreed.

But judging by how the negativity has increased over the last couple of hours, one would think we went into that game as clear favorites, as if we were playing Virtus Entella and the loss came totally unexpectedly.
It was slow process for most people.
Firstly I would kick out anybody who thought about Fonseca and any other Yes Man Coach.
 
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