The Rumour Commode XXXVI - Mission Accomplished Edition

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Great to hear your story Sam. How many languages do you master?
Thanks Hitch, the positive energy here is great--and you've been a big part of that, so thank you.

I'd say three? What about you?
 

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I think Honda would have done well with this squad as well...
Depends whether Padre will play him in the hole or in the wing. I’m still traumatized by how Allegri keeps playing him in the wing. Dude clearly lacks pace to thrive there. :lol:
 

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Thanks Hitch, the positive energy here is great--and you've been a big part of that, so thank you.

I'd say three? What about you?
Likewise brother! Just Norwegian and English, sadly.

I want to learn italian so I can read news and listen to interviews without needing help.
 

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I don’t want the club to be used as collateral. A new stadium as collateral for the 400M makes sense, but we can’t get in another position like we were with Hong Kong Li.

We were extremely fortunate that the club fell into the hands of Elliott, they guided us through the darkness like some sort of Patronus or some shit.
 

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Indeed. I dont like the PL but its the best marketed league

espn on YouTube will do a 7 minutes episode on what klopp said but will do 2 mins segment about Serie a
Serie A either needs star players coming in or the clubs have to do well in Europe. Without that, it will be very difficult to get people's attention.
Even under videos posted by Serie A channel, you see Prem fans saying it's farmer's league and it is poor quality.. with such a reputation, it is very difficult to be marketable.
At least 2 Serie A clubs regularly need to make CL QF.
 

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Depends whether Padre will play him in the hole or in the wing. I’m still traumatized by how Allegri keeps playing him in the wing. Dude clearly lacks pace to thrive there. :lol:
Allegri?? His debut was that 4-3 Sassuolo game that got Allegri sacked, right?
 

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Serie A either needs star players coming in or the clubs have to do well in Europe. Without that, it will be very difficult to get people's attention.
Even under videos posted by Serie A channel, you see Prem fans saying it's farmer's league and it is poor quality.. with such a reputation, it is very difficult to be marketable.
At least 2 Serie A clubs regularly need to make CL QF.
and both (stars, Results in Europe) are results of a fix. they're not fixes themselves.
fundamental fixes have to be done (at league and club level, luckily we have done our cure) culture has to be changed.
 

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I think he should and will stay, but i don't think he's that kind of runner. he runs with the ball also also to recover, but i don't remember him attacking space behind., making timed runs for a pass. that's the type of runner that Adli will make football porn with.
Yeah, I was just fucking with @Wild
 

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and both (stars, Results in Europe) are results of a fix. they're not fixes themselves.
fundamental fixes have to be done (at league and club level, luckily we have done our cure) culture has to be changed.
Yes.. we can afford to sign top players now.. Juve and Napoli to an extent, Inter and Roma need to sell.. so unless other clubs follow our model and gets the books in control, no stars will come.
Plus they need to trust youth players, again following our model.
DaPlan is the way forward for Serie A
 

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MN - Investcorp Ultimatum to Elliott: confirmations arrive​

Investcorp gave the ultimatum to Elliott on his proposed purchase for Milan. After some checks carried out by our editorial staff, we can confirm what the Gazzetta dello Sport has relaunched regarding the state of irritation of the Bahrain fund regarding the conduct of the negotiation by Elliott and on presenting himself on the scene of Red Bird, which in his once made a purchase proposal worth 1.1 billion euros. The negotiating table is on fire, with Investcorp now wanting a response from the Singer family fund on its 1.2 billion offer for the AC Milan acquisition and, according to what filters, would like it in a relatively short time since it has already made the two. diligence that found no critical issues.

Told ya, it'll gone in a thin air before we're even realized!!
 

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Sam where are you in the US? I too play a ton, several times a week, and live in a statistically good market for the sport amongst other US cities.

Most everyone here is an epl fan, sometimes people just straight up ask “what’s your epl team” rather than your fave team in general. I sometimes see Hispanics wearing Milan shirts, and I met one guy I played with that was a serious Milan fan. A lot of fans look down on serie a, but I think it’s growing and more people know about it lately. Ronaldo to Juve brought more eyes to the league and some have stayed because of how dramatic and exciting it’s been, even with Ronaldo gone.

My Milan fan story kinda sucks lol. I am in my upper 20s so didn’t get fully introduced to watching until the 2006 World Cup. I loved watching Italy even before they won, I chose them in the group stages and particularly loved pirlo and his style of play. Really hate that he of all players drew me to the club lmao. What a shithead in hindsight
I'm on the East Coast. The country is gigantic, and you can live in the same city as someone and have a completely different experience, it all depends on your social circle. There are a lot of Latin fans, and I've seen several teams who use Milan kits in our league.

Serie A fans have been quiet, but they're there. I would echo @omer486 that in New York, Philly, and New Jersey, where there are Italian-Americans, there are a lot of Milan fans. DC has a big contingent, and I think the SempreMilan guys are from there if I'm not mistaken?

I don't really experience the "Serie A is bad" vibes from anyone. Maybe because the EPL fans who talk the most are Chelsea, Man Utd, and Arsenal fans and no one credits their CL win, lol, and they're now a "disgraced" club, because I've never met a City fan, not once. Liverpool fans are oddly respectful.

But I think the US market is still up-for-grabs. I think white fans are inclined towards to the EPL for unspoken "cultural bonds" between America and the EPL, and I think a lot of their comments about Real and Barca, or the Italian national team, reflect biases that they might have. However, I help out with coaches and the kids are way more focused on players than clubs, my nephew has a Chelsea shirt, a Milan shirt, a PSG shirt, kids tend to be more agnostic and really fixate on players.

I think the key to undeveloped markets like America's, for Serie A in general, but also Milan, is that you leap from good money to super money from casual fans, and you do that by winning, stars get young kids, and I would hit the Italian-American community hard to create a base of support. That Serie A is only starting now, is honestly, pitiful. If I was in charge of Serie A, I would start subsidizing English-language podcasts/youtubers about Serie A, and it'd probably be smart to create a "Serie A TV" channel where people can listen/watch debates about Serie A like they do with ESPN or FoxSports, you have to make sure there is content. Make sure there is controversy, because that's what builds brands, rivalries, reasons for people to tune in, they talk about this QB and his IG account, who wants a trade, this is what fuels interest in a league. You have big personalities in Serie A, you have Ibra, you have Mourinho, you had CR7, and you didn't take advantage.

I'd also say that the EPL has put themselves in a tough spot with American fans, because I think the EPL has pushed this "social justice" vibe and I imagine the EPL puts out stories to shit on Spain and Italy about racism, they take the knee, which gives nice liberal Americans a further incentive to watch the EPL. Chelsea with Abramovich and the dissection of what he's used the club for, then you have City being owned by Abu Dhabi, then you have Newcastle now owned by the Saudis, only Liverpool fans are happy because their team has Muslims and diversity and they don't spend stolen tax revenue, while Arsenal and Man Utd, who are just well run (economically) are shitty, so the EPL's biggest focus is on the fact that the money that fuels the league is mostly dirty. Not just as big clubs, but like... at Everton.

Again, if I'm President of Serie A USA, then I hit that point hard (not directly, but via journalists, like the EPL do it, because I don't want to scare away investment) and if Investcorp happens, I would say "they are just a fund, they aren't the sovereign wealth fund of a country." I would play up American ownership, and I'd create a program to get American talents into Serie A like those who went to Germany.

Damn, this is long. I really am retired though. I'm making an exception because people are being thoughtful so I want to respond in kind.
 

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Yes.. we can afford to sign top players now.. Juve and Napoli to an extent, Inter and Roma need to sell.. so unless other clubs follow our model and gets the books in control, no stars will come.
Plus they need to trust youth players, again following our model.
DaPlan is the way forward for Serie A
...and i hope the number of foreign owners, but more importantly business driven owners will increase to "take over" the league from the current retro-minded stagnant people in power to completely revamp the product "serie A"
 

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Serie A needs more engagements for their non-Italian viewers. IFTV is doing a good job to fill some hype but it’s clearly not enough. They need more hype outside Italy. AC Milan can spearhead this by playing great in CL next season. We are ‘the Italian brand’ in that league.
 

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True but if you look at other top clubs, say Real are no. 1 in terms of leagues and 3rd for Copa del Rey.. Barca are second in terms of league titles, first for Cups, United are first for league, second for Cup..
We should be the gold standard for Italian Clubs and we can't stay this much below Juve for league and cups.. we need to change that in next 10-15 years
I was listening to Carlo talk about his time at Milan (thanks to @ROSSONERI7 actually) and he talked about how at Milan the emphasis was on the CL over everything else. That was the priority, same at Real.

I don't think the Coppa Italia has ever been important to us, even during our banter era, it's not like we went all out for it. That's what Lazio and Roma do.

To me, the CL is the first priority, and my mindset for what we should do with this team is directed towards the CL at the expense of any other sporting considerations.
 

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Likewise brother! Just Norwegian and English, sadly.

I want to learn italian so I can read news and listen to interviews without needing help.
I started to pick up Italian, I could speak it a bit because I went to Italy often, but also because like you I wanted to read the interviews and newspapers, but... Google translate transformed my Milannews experience, lol.
 

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I was listening to Carlo talk about his time at Milan (thanks to @ROSSONERI7 actually) and he talked about how at Milan the emphasis was on the CL over everything else. That was the priority, same at Real.

I don't think the Coppa Italia has ever been important to us, even during our banter era, it's not like we went all out for it. That's what Lazio and Roma do.

To me, the CL is the first priority, and my mindset for what we should do with this team is directed towards the CL at the expense of any other sporting considerations.
exactly what i feel about coppa...don't neglect it but def not in my start of the season ambition. nor do i feel defeated after exiting.

maybe when we're in a postion to win CL and Serie A, then winning it will be big for "treble" purposes.
 

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Serie A needs more engagements for their non-Italian viewers. IFTV is doing a good job to fill some hype but it’s clearly not enough. They need more hype outside Italy. AC Milan can spearhead this by playing great in CL next season. We are ‘the Italian brand’ in that league.
Milan is one of the most glamorous cities in Europe. Tourists flock to Florence and Rome. You have Ferrari, Lamborghini, fashion, wine (right? lol), food, all that soft power muscle, and you have history to push on the nostalgia, and there is just no content.

F1 mandates that teams use English on the radio, they push out content in English, even with their biggest most important brand being Italian. Mercedes, German, but English is what they use. Red Bull, again, English.

La Liga has a structural advantage over Serie A in that they have Latin America, because their local content can be consumed there. But ESPN controls the rights to Serie A in Latin America, and in Brazil in particular, because Serie A's strength is still there, but Serie A is so terribly managed, that these broadcasters get Serie A rights for way cheaper than they are worth.

Serie A fixates on the large, but, saturated domestic market too much. That's the result of Serie A being guided by Juve and Inter's business models. Inter can't even take advantage of the Chinese market because they're run by the most inept Chinese business family in China.

America isn't an important market, yet, but making it a priority would have the secondary benefit of creating English content, which would then expand your reach.
 

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As reported this morning by Tuttosport , the American fund interested in the purchase of Milan RedBird Capital Partners would also have two important figures among its shareholders. The first, Billy Beane is an executive of the MLB (professional league of baseball) who allowed the Oakland Athletics team to play at the same level as the battleships of the championship thanks to a massive and particular use of statistics. His story is told in the movie "Moneyball" with protaognist Brad Pitt. The second, Richard Scudamore , former CEO of the Premier League, was among the main architects of the boom in English league revenues over the past decade.
I don't want smart, shrewd, data-driven investments. I want large investments. Money thrown at problems.

No interest in these dorks








...I'm kidding, but also kinda not kidding
 

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I’m forever grateful to Elliot for cleaning this almost decade of mess. Picking Maldini was the best thing he ever did.
To think Paletta was the best of that bunch. :yikes:
 

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Deulofeu on the right sounds interesting if we can't get a star, him and Leao on the wings could be epic.
 

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speaking of new jersey not being released before season's end as usual... it's everywhere it seems....back to old ways, i guess.
 
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