Carlo tried to implement it, in 2007, but he was too "coward" to do it from the start of a gameIn Friday's match against the Czech Republic, Scotland manager Craig Levein fielded a highly innovative 4-6-0 formation. It shaped up like this:
- 2 centre backs
- 2 athletic, attacking (by nature, although not in this game) full backs
- 1 centre back playing as a static defensive midfielder
- 1 mobile destroyer
- 2 technically competent "creative" centre midfielders
- 2 reasonably athletic, hard working wide players
- 0 strikers
Has anyone seen a team play with no strikers before?
Fuck international football. I think I'll be a Brazil fan. LOOOOOOOL at Shitaly!!!!!!
Carlo tried to implement it, in 2007, but he was too "coward" to do it from the start of a game. Although well he used Ambrossini as a fake strikers several times.
4-6-0 is coming a very popular dig at managers, specially for loosing games. I've seen that done to Carlo(that friendly against Chelsea was really bad though ... or was there 6-4-0?), Ferguson, Wenger, Benitez. Those are mostly been cases of injury woes and dropping the striker back. Don't think there have been a version of 4-6-0 like you describe it.In Friday's match against the Czech Republic, Scotland manager Craig Levein fielded a highly innovative 4-6-0 formation. It shaped up like this:
- 2 centre backs
- 2 athletic, attacking (by nature, although not in this game) full backs
- 1 centre back playing as a static defensive midfielder
- 1 mobile destroyer
- 2 technically competent "creative" centre midfielders
- 2 reasonably athletic, hard working wide players
- 0 strikers
Has anyone seen a team play with no strikers before? I remember Spalletti's Roma playing with Totti as a floating centre forward, but he usually occupied a centre back and there would be 2 or 3 players looking to run beyond him at all times. That's as close as I can come up with.
Anyone?
LMAO. Come on now Calum ... where's your patriotism?Steven Fletcher doesn't play because he's our best striker. Kenny Miller, picked without fail for the last 10 years in spite of consistent mediocrity, didn't play because right now he's in the form of his life and averaging better than a goal per game.
Morrison plays because he's an English reject, which makes him exotic and, apparently, just plain better. Same goes for Jamie Mackie, who has apparently said that he's playing for Scotland because he feels that international football will look good on his CV.
Fuck international football. I think I'll be a Brazil fan. LOOOOOOOL at Shitaly!!!!!!
Yep ... I'd agree with this. I remember a match in Carlo's last season, where Kaka' and Pato were both out with injuries. Dinho was also out (don't know if it was an actual injury or whether he was benched) and we started with Janku at LM, Clarence playing as a second striker, and Pippo up front. This was around the time when Werder knocked us out of the Europa League + we played at home against a mid-table side. Can't remember who though ...4-6-0 is coming a very popular dig at managers, specially for loosing games. I've seen that done to Carlo(that friendly against Chelsea was really bad though ... or was there 6-4-0?), Ferguson, Wenger, Benitez. Those are mostly been cases of injury woes and dropping the striker back. Don't think there have been a version of 4-6-0 like you describe it.
So overall, Levein deserves credit for his revolutionary tactics.
Yes. Results of course matter ... but while midgets that pass sideways till they cover each square inch of a pitch 156 times are praised for their football in defeat, thugs who fight like maniacs + give their heart's content are ridiculed as destroyers of the beautiful game even in victory ...Even though he lost?
4-6-0 is coming a very popular dig at managers, specially for loosing games. I've seen that done to Carlo(that friendly against Chelsea was really bad though ... or was there 6-4-0?), Ferguson, Wenger, Benitez. Those are mostly been cases of injury woes and dropping the striker back. Don't think there have been a version of 4-6-0 like you describe it.
LMAO. Come on now Calum ... where's your patriotism?![]()
So overall, Levein deserves credit for his revolutionary tactics.
Spain coach Vicente del Bosque told a press conference this afternoon that his players remain as motivated as ever to achieve success with the national side.
The experienced tactician was fielding questions prior to tomorrow’s clash with Scotland at Hampden Park, and the question was raised as to whether the team still have the desire to keep winning after already achieving both European Championships and World Cup success.
Del Bosque responded: “A footballer's life is short, and there is no point dwelling on the past. There are new challenges, and the players know it. It is not difficult to motivate them.
“Their rivals clearly see added value in playing against the world champions, but we are used to it. There will be nothing unusual.
The former Real Madrid coach also offered his opinion on the likely tactics of Scotland, and the importance of leaving Glasgow with the points.
“Against Czech Republic they played very tight and only came forward when they conceded a goal," he said. "Tomorrow, playing at home, supported by this audience, they will try to score.
“If we were to jump onto nine points, we would leave the other teams behind, but the margin of error is minimal. I would not rule out any of the other three teams who are fighting for second place.”
Del Bosque continued, "We will be very much prepared for whatever tactics Scotland adopt tomorrow night. At club level, lots of our players come up against these types of tactics week after week.
"We will be looking at ways to combat it on counter-attacking and looking at ways to combat it from deadball situations. It's something all the players are used to and we will be making sure we are doubly prepared.
"Looking at it, we've got sufficient alternative ways of playing to be able to combat various defensive formations.
"We've got players of different characteristics and styles who can find a way around that."
Finally, he commented on David Villa’s attempts to surpass Raul’s all-time goalscoring record for the national team, adding: “He is a special player, he is anxious to become top scorer. However he is working more or less the same as he did at the World Cup.”
Yes. Results of course matter ... but while midgets that pass sideways till they cover each square inch of a pitch 156 times are praised for their football in defeat, thugs who fight like maniacs + give their heart's content are ridiculed as destroyers of the beautiful game even in victory
Just when I thought this thread was turning interesting ...Patriotism is a separate issue from support for an SFA select consisting of English rejects and half-interested traitors. That's off-topic here though.![]()
That bad ... huh? How much possession did you have? Should I dare to ask whether there were shots on goal?I think it's fair to say that I'm one of the main defenders/advocates of defensive tactics on here, but 4-6-0 didn't even make sense from a defensive point of view. The value of defending in numbers is outweighed by the consequences of the instant tame surrender of possession upon clearing the ball. If you don't have either a target man or an Olic-style workhorse to run into channels and harass defenders, it becomes far too easy for the opposition to build wave after wave of attacks. Even Scotland might manage to score against a team that allow them to have 90% possession.
The Scots were honest about their defending. Midgets defend by not letting you have the ball. Lets not forget they play with 2 holding midfielders as well. I find the Scots' sincerity regarding their intentions honorable.Yes but atleast with the midgets tactics they are always trying to win the game not draw like the Scottish.
Rangers played 5-5-0 against United at OT this season.
5-4-1. Kenny Miller played up front, although I'm sure he tracked back a bit.
He barely played upfront. He was usually on the half way line. He did run his socks off though.
I think it can. He was the CM, while all the others were defensive mids, if that makes any sense at all?That makes all the difference though. 4-6-0 doesn't exactly put much pressure on the opposition back 4 when they have possession.
GreatKalu, was that match against Cagliari?
I remember Carlo starting Janku at LM that game and it was what we all wanted and it didn't really work. Seedorf scored somewhere around the 70/80th minute, it was a volley from the edge of the box, which is where my match differs from yours.
I think it can. He was the CM, while all the others were defensive mids, if that makes any sense at all?
The tactic worked for them anyway.
Someone didn't see Pato track back and defend against C.R.When R-80 + the Midfield were busy walking around.
Italian teams are way more organized/better on cutting down space. Smaller teams make littler effort to come out and play. They'll sit 7 to 8 behind ball at all times. It's a large reason I believe pure wingers are irrelevant in italy.
When a team is sitting with a deep 3 man infront of a flat 4 it's very hard for a winger to find space. There is a trade off between the side CM and FB and they should close space well. Think about it, the winger is on right side, trying to cut in, but he has a LCM and a LB there. Then the deep DCM in center infront of 2 CBs all 3 closing any cross he could possibly get off.
Finally in general, Italian teams will foul you before they give you a clear run on goal. It's why I think a player like Messi or Cristiano from a wide position in a 4-3-3 wouldn't score as many goals, but they would earn a million fouls and pk's.
I'm not sure the quality of individual defending is MUCH different across leagues but the quality of team defending and tactics is.