Jasper
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5-0. Napoli as good as inter ...
Overrated serie a getting the dose of europes best
fanboys need to look and see this is not 90s anymore. I enjoyed the pwnage so much, old . narrow minded italy didnt learn till now, what more humiliation they need
Change ffs we need better practice matches in the league
TBH, I don't think anyone has overrated Italian football for years now. Inter's champions league two years ago was a total fluke, anyone could see that.
i am talking about fanboys
Inters cl was the most convincing i have seen for few years, it was methodical and very prepared, you can hate them as much you want but early goals and zanetti on messi and solid defense/maicon was not a fluke
manus/barcas cl of 2008/09 heck even milans 2007 was more fluke compared to inter if we dont see the calciopolli
but scandal was the sole reason they reached there but their campaign was solid dont know whether it was good bad or fugly
Yeah, erm, not really my point, genius. Barcelona and Real will finish in the top two in Italy and England, I don't think anyone disputed that.Not only Barca aka "my beloved team" but also Real will cruise their way in the league.
Yeah, destroyed. Do you even read some of the shit you say? Tottenham played one half of attacking football over both legs, and were dominated in terms of possession quite comfortably (the second leg saw Milan with 70% possession at one point, which only slightly decreased by the end of the match).An aging Milan that got destroyed by a mediocre Tott cruised it for fuck sake.
Some levels below in terms of what? Finances? There's more money, on the whole, in Italian football than in Spain. Entertainment? Quality of football? Entertainment is subjective, I can find great entertainment in watching a brilliant defensive performance; others may not. Give me calcio and all its tactical endeavours over the mindless long ball, kick-and-rush football played by a bunch of alcoholics with no technical skill, but each to their own.Yeah okay, I'm a Milan fan, but I can see Italian football is some levels below Spanish and English football (even German). They're a joy to watch, whereas games in Italy often are a snooze fest.
Some levels below in terms of what? Finances? There's more money, on the whole, in Italian football than in Spain. Entertainment? Quality of football? Entertainment is subjective, I can find great entertainment in watching a brilliant defensive performance; others may not. Give me calcio and all its tactical endeavours over the mindless long ball, kick-and-rush football played by a bunch of alcoholics with no technical skill, but each to their own.
What you are saying applies to the year 2000. You are 11 years late my friend. Serie A is horse-shit and so is the NT. I love Italy and loath Barshitlona, but that is the sad reality.
Your use of big words and nice grammar, as flattering as it is, doesn't make your point stronger. But it does make you look smarter so kudos. Anyway, whichever way you put it, we are the strongest team in Serie A by a mile, yet we crashed out to Spurs in CL while losing 1-0 at home and being outplayed in the 1st half.
Ffs on paper Napoli are 2nd best team in Italy and they lost 5-0 to Barca B yet you are still arguing? Stop deluding yourself man.
Yeah okay, I'm a Milan fan, but I can see Italian football is some levels below Spanish and English football (even German). They're a joy to watch, whereas games in Italy often are a snooze fest.
While Barcelona and Real Madrid continue to grow ever stronger in La Liga, with shirt sponsorship deals worth an estimated Є30m each per season, the rest of the clubs in arguably the world´s top league have to settle for what is left in an ever-diminishing market.
Villarreal and Valencia, in the Champions League, and Europa League contenders Atlético Madrid and Sevilla, are all without a shirt sponsor as the new league season approaches - the first time four of the strongest clubs in Spain have all failed to find a backer since sponsorship began. As Marca report, at the same time, the management of the four agree they are not going to give away sponsorship agreements and are unwilling for their players to wear publicity on their shirts for less than €3m-a-year.
Despite a spate of gaming companies having had their names emblazoned on shirts over the past few years, that the market is changing is borne out by the news that both Atlético Madrid and Sevilla have received €2.5m offers from dating agency Ashley Madison. Curiously enough the proposals included an additional €50,000 if a player was caught being unfaithful and another €150,000 if he admitted it - unsurprisingly they have not been accepted.
In Atlético´s case the club has earned around €7m over the last six seasons wearing the logo of motor company KIA, yet are now searching for a successor to invest at least €5m-a-year after the South Koreans decided not to renew their contract. Something similar has occurred at Villarreal, Valencia and Sevilla. The Yellow Submarine´s ´Aeroport Castelló´ insignia will not be seen on their shirts this season, leaving the club without a sponsor for the first time since it has been in the top flight, while Sevilla and Valencia shirts will also remain blank for the time being, although both clubs remain confident of €3.5m deals in the future.
The nine clubs besides Barca and Real Madrid that do charge for shirt sponsorship hardly reach €10m-a-season between them: Sporting Gijón, Levante and Real Sociedad count on finance from local government, while the rest have agreements ranging from the €2m Athletic Bilbao receive from the Petronor oil company to Chorizo Palacios´ €400,000 paid to Racing Santander every year.
An exception to the trend is at Málaga, where the club´s Qatari owner Sheikh Abdullah Bin Nasser Al-Thani has opted to pay UNESCO for the honour of wearing their emblem in an agreement not dissimilar to that of Barcelona with UNICEF.
Clubs with shirt sponsorship deals:
Barcelona (Qatar Foundation): €30m
Real Madrid (bwin): €25m + €5m in add-ons
Athletic (Petronor): €2m
Sporting (Gijón/Asturias): €2m
Levante (Comunitat Valenciana): €1.5m
Real Sociedad (Guipuzkoa): €1.2m
Getafe (Burger King): €1m
Real Betis (CIRSA): €1m
Real Mallorca (Bet-at-home): €0.8m
Racing Santander (Chorizo Palacios): €0.4m
Granada (Caja Granada) not disclosed
Clubs without shirt sponsorship:
Valencia
Villarreal
Atlético Madrid
Sevilla
Málaga (UNESCO for four years paid by the club)
Real Zaragoza
Osasuna
Rayo Vallecano
Espanyol
How much do Milan earn from Fly Emirates?
The new shirt sponsorship with Fly Emirates will run until 2015 and is worth a guaranteed €12 million a season plus performance related bonuses. These can be worth a fair amount, as seen by the previous contract with Bwin, which generated €10.5 million most seasons, but was as high as €14.2 million in the year that Milan won the Champions League. In any case, the club’s sponsorship deals have been on the increase: up to 2006 Opel €9 million, 2006-2010 Bwin €10 million, 2010-2015 Fly Emirates €12 million.
Milan have enjoyed a long-term relationship with kit supplier Adidas. The current deal runs until 2017 and produces around €13 million a season. According to the supplier’s sales data, Milan sell between 400,000 and 600,000 shirts a season, which would put them in the top ten clubs worldwide and around the same level as Inter and Juventus, though the likes of Real Madrid and Manchester United sell nearly three times as many.
Their €12 million shirt sponsorship deal is higher than Inter’s €9 million deal with Pirelli (and remember that the nerazzurri are the Champions League winners) and Juventus’ €8 million contract with Betclic (though this is only for the home shirt).
We lost to Tottenham as a fluke, we dominated for 3/4s and were bad for 1/4 and they scored on a counter-attack and made 3 goalline clearances(counting Yepes) and we had a goal disallowed.
You use scores as almost foolproof evidence that Serie A and Italy is worse... but then what about that Friendly the other week? Italy beat Spain, so therefore Spain is worse than Italy, no?
Which of my points are outdated, do elaborate. I can back my argument about there being more money in Serie A than La Liga with stats, if you want.What you are saying applies to the year 2000. You are 11 years late my friend. Serie A is horse-shit and so is the NT. I love Italy and loath Barshitlona, but that is the sad reality.
Your use of big words and nice grammar, as flattering as it is, doesn't make your point stronger. But it does make you look smarter so kudos. Anyway, whichever way you put it, we are the strongest team in Serie A by a mile, yet we crashed out to Spurs in CL while losing 1-0 at home and being outplayed in the 1st half.
Ffs on paper Napoli are 2nd best team in Italy and they lost 5-0 to Barca B yet you are still arguing? Stop deluding yourself man.
I agree, I don't think the stadium alone will catapult them to the top. But the return of Champions League broadcasting revenue + the self-owned stadium + commercial revenue that includes shops and restaurants around the stadium + more lucrative sponsorship deals as a result of being a major European force again, and yeah, it's realistic for them to challenge the big four. Barca and especially Real may be a little out of reach for the time being, but Bayern and Man Utd made less than €150m more than Juve, and they had the advantage of Champions League football.I don't see jube simply making more than double(real madrid and barcelona make x2) their current revenue simply because of a new stadium, the stadium is going to help them, but not to an extent where they would rival the top 4 clubs in terms of revenue.
Just because a team attacked doesn't neccessairly mean it was better. Spurs outwitted us and the Italian way too. At San Siro they attacked the fuck out of us in the 1st half but couldn't score, and in the 2nd they sat back as Allegri threw our men forward so eventually they scored on a counter. And the 2nd game, you know, they just needed 0-0 and we attacked like mad men so thry sat back and let us play. Sad to say it, but Uncle 'Arry outsmarted Allegri.
They fully deserved to go through as they were better over 180 mins.
And yes, Italy were better than Spain. In a friendly.
Fair point, and it is refreshing to have a discussion with a poster who isn't a Barca-fawning parasite and resorts to pathetic insults like "fanboy" and "groupie", which degenerates most arguments into meaningless ad hominem drivel.To Bear - Sadly can't quote this long post, iPhone:
- I like you man. You are smart and respectable and it's a nice change to most people here.
- I do agree with you on most points like the Barshitlona dicksucking, PL wankfest, extreme level of idiocy by most members, desperate need of Serie A stadiums, and lack of enthusiasm for La Nazionale and Serie A in general from experts over here.
- You mentioned Italy's tactics as a strong point for Serie A. This is where I disagree. Look at Napoli and how they collapse vs any continental team. Noy referring to yesterday's friendly but in general like last year's EL. Look at Roma hiring an incompetent Barca B shitbag to try and copy the Catalan cunts' football. Or Juve with last year's 4-4-2 Delneri or this year's 4-2-4 Conte. My point is most tactical rennovations are coming from Barshit or Mou and Italians are either copying or stuck in mediocricity. And any club that attempts to succeed has to sell of its best players ala Udinese. Udine, Genoa, Fascist Laziale cunts, and Cesena have nice projects going on, but compared to the restt of the big leagues (ENG, ESP, GER) they are average and it shows when they meet in Europe. Plus the effect of retatarded impatient owners like Zampa, Cellino and Laurentis, with the lack of safety and shit facilities in stadiums, and decline of clubs like Fiorentina due to lack of funds. All that adds up to a very low quality Serie A. For the record, I'm a sucker for defensive tactics and I prefer it to crazy attacking football, but what we see in Italy nowadays isn't defensive tactics, it's pure shit football.
I'm enjoying this convo (it's rare to find someone to discuss footbqll with here) and I couldn't get into details or write properly cos of fucking phone. But I hope we could discuss this (or any football matter) further. And btw, I did mean the big words thing as a compliment, so glad you took it as one.
Some levels below in terms of what? Finances? There's more money, on the whole, in Italian football than in Spain. Entertainment? Quality of football? Entertainment is subjective, I can find great entertainment in watching a brilliant defensive performance; others may not. Give me calcio and all its tactical endeavours over the mindless long ball, kick-and-rush football played by a bunch of alcoholics with no technical skill, but each to their own.