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So what you're saying is that he completely lost his ability to play as an AM :rolleyes: now that is a laugh :D!

You are really making me laugh. :star:
I will miss you when you get banned.

Nope, I didnt say that.

You know what. I dont have time for losers like you who knows shit about football. And when I said I will miss you when you get banned, I lied! I will laugh my ass off and I'm waiting for that time to come.
 
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You are really making me laugh. :star:
I will miss you when you get banned.

Nope, I didnt say that.

You know what. I dont have time for losers like you who knows shit about football. And when I said I will miss you when you get banned, I lied! I will laugh my ass off and I'm waiting for that time to come.

Well i take my win then and also i dont request annoying people like you to be banned(well not usually) cuz im not a whiner!
 

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Well i take my win then and also i dont request annoying people like you to be banned(well not usually) cuz im not a whiner!

You taking this argument as a competition?
ROFLLLLLLL!!!!

Another reason you're an idiot.
 
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You taking this argument as a competition?
ROFLLLLLLL!!!!

Another reason you're an idiot.

No you're the one who's taking it as a competition you're bashing me without a reason at all also Pipe Down(talking about bold part) or you might be banned(not that i would want you banned since that wouldnt be any fun now would it :cool:)
 

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But he played the AM role while he was growing up and even played in that position when he was at Juve he's playing SS nowadays cuz of his height like MilanSpecialist explained dont ignore his posts!

Yes, when you're growing up size doesn't mean as much... Now that he's playing professional football and is like 5'4" it doesn't work. He used to play AM, then he stopped due to size... Has this changed? No.


Who wants to take bets on when RR is banned? I say atleast 3 hours.
 
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Yes, when you're growing up size doesn't mean as much... Now that he's playing professional football and is like 5'4" it doesn't work. He used to play AM, then he stopped due to size... Has this changed? No.


Who wants to take bets on when RR is banned? I say atleast 3 hours.

I know all that MilanSpecialist explained it all :o! Im just saying he could be good as a sub atleast!
 

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And so would Babel... Babel can also play as AM. LET'S SIGN HIM!!!
 

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And so would Babel... Babel can also play as AM. LET'S SIGN HIM!!!

No, he cannot!

(I follow the sarcasm, but yet, he really can't play AM... really not! He is a forward, and a terrible bad one, he is not even a winger! I know he plays mostly as winger, or wide forward, whatever, but he, well, he can't play anywhere good.)
 
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And so would Babel... Babel can also play as AM. LET'S SIGN HIM!!!

:rolleyes: so you're saying Giovinco is a bad player also Giovinco is natural AM and i fear Babel might come :cry: since Merda already got Ganso and what with his twitter and all! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!
 

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No, he cannot!

(I follow the sarcasm, but yet, he really can't play AM... really not! He is a forward, and a terrible bad one, he is not even a winger! I know he plays mostly as winger, or wide forward, whatever, but he, well, he can't play anywhere good.)

We understand. He's bad.

:rolleyes: so you're saying Giovinco is a bad player also Giovinco is natural AM and i fear Babel might come :cry: since Merda already got Ganso and what with his twitter and all! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!

No. I am saying that Giovinco will not succeed at AM at a high level... It is true due to his size.
 

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No, he cannot!

(I follow the sarcasm, but yet, he really can't play AM... really not! He is a forward, and a terrible bad one, he is not even a winger! I know he plays mostly as winger, or wide forward, whatever, but he, well, he can't play anywhere good.)

True..Babel just plain sucks goat balls..
 
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This argument who has been here last 2-4 pages is the most BS Talk i've ever seen. (Period)
 

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there's no way we can go for Neymar, or any other striker for that matter.

We have Pato, who is our future and Brazil NT's future.

Ibrahimovic was bought last summer - no way he'll be sold. Milan management have had him on their wish list for so long and now that they have him - and that he's almost won us the league - they wont let go of him.

Robinho was bought last summer only and has reiterated many times he doesn't mind sitting on the bench, and has always worked 200% when he's on the field and has always delivered good performances. My personal wish is that he doesn't go, but if Berlusconi sold our Kaka before just to balance the books........then he may leave.

Cassano - the weakest link of the front 4. Very inconsistent, always look out of shape, very lazy. It's been 4 months since he's been here and still hasn't found match fitness. He's Italy's captain and was only brought in January. I do hope we sell him but how likely is it?


Then there's Pippo who will be here next year for sure, and there's Balotelli who's bound to come here within the next 3 years. Ganso is coming this summer too...There's just no room for Neymar UNLESS Pato is sold. Neymar will not accept being a bench player so we will have to sell one of our starters to get another.

I personally wish we go for Lucas.
 

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pretty awesome player but pato is our boy
 

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Neymar: All that and a bag of chips?

Neymar is one of the exciting young players in Brazil, one who has been attracting the attention of many of Europe's top clubs. Santos, his club, have even gone so far as to slap a 30 million Euro price tag on him. Without doubt he is an exciting young talent but are there any statistics from his performance in the campeonato that merit this valuation?



Since Neymar is a striker, goals is the first statistic that springs to mind and with 17 goals, good for second in the league, Neymar certainly appears to be a special talent. However, of those 17 goals 4 were from the penalty spot (he had a poor 50% conversion rate from the spot including 1 penalty which was blatantly illegally taken but allowed to stand) Still 13 goals isn’t a bad return from any striker and he still remains second in non-penalty goals. Also most of the significant goal scorers from last year under the age of 30 were transferred outside the country. Jonas, Obina, Diego Tardelli, and Elias all moved to foreign clubs, however, only Jonas went to a big European club (Valencia) and his move wasn’t very expensive so its not necessarily a given that there is large demand for players who score goals in the campeonato.



One notable deficiency in Neymar’s game is his heading ability. He didn’t score a single goal with his head and only attempted 3 headed shots all year. Standing in at 5’8’’ he lacks an imposing stature and couldn’t possibly be thought of as a target man, where in England he would certainly be bullied. He almost certainly be deployed in attacking role off the wing where finding space would be much easier, allowing him to run at players which he is so good at. However, in a roll like this, creating goals for others is almost important as scoring them yourself.



At first glance Neymar looks like an excellent shot creater, somewhat surprising as at times he appears selfish, as displayed by the time he confronted his coach for not letting him take a penalty kick (apropos my earlier reference to penalties the coach seems justified in his decision). League wide he created the sixth most shots of any player (the most by a player who wasn’t a central midfield playmaker) to go along with his six assists. He did touch the ball in the final 1/3 more than any player other than Cruzeiro’s striker Thiago Ribeiro. When comparing the number of shots generated to the number of touches in the final 1/3, Neymar’s high volume of touches reflects poorly in comparison to midfielders who have better ratios of touches to shots created. However, this should come as no surprise since Neymar often receives the ball as one of the most advanced players down the field leaving him few options to create shots unless he shoots himself. When we compare Neymar’s touches/shot creation he compares favorably amongst other attacking players. Basically stated, when Neymar receives the ball in the final 1/3 he is one of the most effective at scoring and creating scoring opportunities for his teammates.



Neymar does have weaknesses, his complete lack of aerial engagement aside, his largest statistical red flag is his turnover frequency. He far and away loses the ball more than any other player through errant crosses, passes or losing the ball in possession. However this should be somewhat tempered by the fact that of all forwards he touches the ball the second most (forwards are the most likely to lose the ball). He loses the ball about 40% of the time which is about average or slightly below for forwards- the best percentages are in the low 30s while the worst are in the high 50s.



Most of his turnovers come from losing possession of the ball while dribbling or having the ball tackled away (about 10 times a game). In fact Neymar loses the ball far less from errant passes than many other forwards despite receiving the ball more often and he completes 76% of his passes in the final 1/3 which is an excellent ratio. However even if we adjust for the frequency of his possessions in the final 1/3 he still loses the ball in possession more than most forwards in Serie A (only Mazola is higher amongst the forwards who played consistently). Now this may just be a reflection of the fact that Neymar frequently tries to take on defenders but the location of the turnovers may reflect some poor decision making (this certainly is up for debate)



Below is a map of where Neymar loses the ball in possession (we don’t include errant crosses or passes) placed alongside Thiago Ribeiro’s map.

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Not only is Neymar losing the ball more frequently but he is losing the ball in a less advanced position which is somewhat counter intuitive since most players risk losing the ball in possession when they try to take on players in the final 1/3 in attempting to break down the defense. This diagram seems to indicate that Neymar might be too careless with the ball especially in areas where some might say maintaining possession is more important than risking taking on defenders.



Of Neymar’s weaknesses his loss of possession is probably the less worrisome. His decision making will probably improve over time in addition to his skills as well as the off the ball movement of his teammates when he plays for Brazil or an inevitable move to a top European club. His aerial ability probably won’t improve as he isn’t getting any taller and its just not part of his game but this shouldn’t be too worrisome as he clearly is most comfortable (and probably always will) operating on the wings.



So why is Neymar so highly valued? Statistically speaking he is already one of the most effective players in terms of generating offense in the Brazilian Campeonato and all at the age of 19. He clearly possesses some of the most sought after abilities some of which take several more years to develop- his finishing is clearly excellent he has great vision (as displayed by his excellent shot creation ratios), he is capable of beating men on the dribble and then taking advantage to create shots.
 

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pato-neymar wouldn't work out that well

if we buy a striker it should be more of a ibra type, but on the otherhand we have baretta and paloshi coming up

so no need for neymar
 

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I love Pato but if Neymar can make the transition to European football the way he seamlessly fit into the NT (Weak opposition so far, test will be Copa) then Neymar maybe the better prospect and that is saying alot.

It might be blasphemous but no injury worries, great composure, performs on every stage thus far - just saying he has the potential to surpass Pato.

Really just fantasy though - 35+ is what Santos wants and we are stacked at the position.
 

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Here's a compilation of Neymar's game against the Netherlands.

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What a pussy, really. he could be true icon but I already saw some of the typical CR7 stuff( dribbles, faking...)

I miss the old school players, classy, humble...
 

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According to Sky Sport Italia, Real Madrid has reached an agreement with Santos for Neymar.
 

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Sky - Neymar is of Real Madrid

Many are hoping, and finally, you Neymar accaso in Madrid. Agreement in the night, a real blitz cryptic is the ace who led Brazil to the court of the Special One. The news is Sky Sport 24. Are not yet public figures and agreements, but the young player (he's a '92), goes to class and add magic to the Madrid team. With the arrival of former Santos Neymar important in scenarios that will open in Madrid, on all of that Benzema and after the arrival of the Brazilian could pack.
 

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The craziness. What in the world would be their lineup? Beats me!
 

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Benzema would surely consider his options and Neymar could end up doing a Robinho :lol:
 
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According to Sky Sport Italia, Real Madrid has reached an agreement with Santos for Neymar.

Allegedly they only paid Santos €32 million. Bronzetti has confirmed the deal.
 
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