The Rumour Commode X

[MarioReality]

why you giving said ****** so much attention then and spitting his name? huh? got nothing better to do with your time?

Like a virgin to a titty flame, he is.

 

[USC]

So the guys over a statsbomb built a predictive model for young attacking players, and the results are pretty telling. I don't have the variables and inputs for the models, and I HOPE that Milan has an analytics department that does something similar.

There are only four hits in Serie A:
Adem Llajic
Bruno Fernandes
Domenico Berardi
Manolo Gabbiadini

Notably absent is Iturbe.

BTW, Alvaro Morata hits higher than any single player on the model, and frankly, I'm not surprised.

 

[Deleted member 35916]

why you giving said ****** so much attention then and spitting his name? huh? got nothing better to do with your time?

Nope. I come here for entertainment.

 

[leaf]

Fishy or not, the point is that Galliani is again late and aldough this summer we might actually do something ok, this managment led by Galliani is complete shit. 10 years behind juve.

Bro you know I'm no part of this forum's beta beta beta fraternity that keeps sucking off every shit that management does but how the fuck are we a whole 10 years behind juBe

Let me clarify.... I really don't rate the second rate tournament that is Serie A. That said, we won two CL's last decade....where the fuck were Juventus? We also won a Scudetto in 2010. Sure we're shit now and recently but you can't always be on top.

 

[AndreiX]

This club's transfer policy is pathetic, even the potential signing of Iturbe (not the signing itself but the reason behind it); The only reason we are going for a high priced youngster is saving face, morale boost meant for us fans in order to forget all the shit that's happening (happened) to this club because of it's shitty management;
Year after year we've been linked to great players with potential that were not yet known enough to be overpriced but we didn't end up buying them because of absurdly low differences between our offer and their club's demand (the only exception being El Shaa). And don't tell me G didn't have the money, if he wouldn't have money we wouldn't have so many useless players in our squad on big wages
We lost a league title because they wouldn't pay for Aqua
We wanted Strootman but G wouldn't pay a couple more mil for him
We wanted Benatia way before Roma but G wouldn't pay a couple more mil for him
(I gave these 3 examples because these players were affordable and would have certainly had a major positive effect on our performance)
And many more deals we missed out on because of this mindless cheapness that overwhelms G whenever he's trying to get a decent player.

 

[LemonCookies]

So the guys over a statsbomb built a predictive model for young attacking players, and the results are pretty telling. I don't have the variables and inputs for the models, and I HOPE that Milan has an analytics department that does something similar.

There are only four hits in Serie A:
Adem Llajic
Bruno Fernandes
Domenico Berardi
Manolo Gabbiadini

Notably absent is Iturbe.

BTW, Alvaro Morata hits higher than any single player on the model, and frankly, I'm not surprised.

Ljajic was shit throughout the year, Fernandes was underwhelming, Berardi inconsistent, and Gabbiadini the same as Berardi.

Morata is the definition of a mediocre youth player. Stick him anywhere else other than a big team and he's drivel.

What is this stat site? Seems like crap to me.

 

[NIRossoneri]

So the guys over a statsbomb built a predictive model for young attacking players, and the results are pretty telling. I don't have the variables and inputs for the models, and I HOPE that Milan has an analytics department that does something similar.

There are only four hits in Serie A:
Adem Llajic
Bruno Fernandes
Domenico Berardi
Manolo Gabbiadini

Notably absent is Iturbe.

BTW, Alvaro Morata hits higher than any single player on the model, and frankly, I'm not surprised.

That's the most idiotic idea I've heard in a long time, a predictive model for young players. Training, form, team composition, injuries can all vastly affect players careers, the type of shit you can't predict

 

[Sven]

If we're going to spend 30 for a player we better have another 30~40 for other buys. Otherwise it doesn't make any sense

 

[CapitanoMaldini]

I am not sure about Morata, I see a lot of Morientes in him, now that's a compliment at his age, although I think Morientes was a better player at 21. I'm just not sure what his ceiling is...it's a risk, for 20 million or less it would be worth it for sure. I'm surprised Real would sell.

 

[kosL]

Lavezzi is a player that depends on his energetic runs. He is not really a finisher nor a great passer but he can bust open defences with a surging run. He will be 30 soon so it will be very stupid to sign this player given that his energy tank will run down and he will not be offering anything special in return.

As for Balotelli, I would sell him for this presumed 30m offer assuming that this money would find a move for Iturbe, not his plan Z alternative nor Galliani's pockets. We either end this bullshit about Balotelli and come out in support of him and make him feel as an integral player of the team (and not a stand out individual) or we sell him and buy players that can form a good team unit. I'm sick of seeing hierarchy at this club. It's time to establish a good team ethic for a change, with stars or without them, the base must be properly established.

The most sensible & thoughtful post I've read in this thread for some time.

I suspect that is precisely what Pippo is trying to do. Hence, selling Balo?

.

 

[CapitanoMaldini]

If we're going to spend 30 for a player we better have another 30~40 for other buys. Otherwise it doesn't make any sense

Agreed. Without CL, stripping the squad down is essential but we need quality in the midfield and at the back as well. If we don't have another 10-15 million to spend on 2-3 quality additions after Iturbe it would show a real lack of foresight. If we keep Mexes and Zapata, along with Rami (hopefully) and Alex our CBs are set, with Bonera who can fill in at RB in a pinch. We would still need a quality LB or RB (depending on where you want to play De Sciglio) and a quality midfielder or preferably two of them with Monto injured and Honda not having a natural position in a 4-3-3.

 

[CapitanoMaldini]

The most sensible & thoughtful post I've read in this thread for some time.

I suspect that is precisely what Pippo is trying to do. Hence, selling Balo?

.

Inzaghi is definitely going to bring a culture change. I would like to know what he thinks of Balo because at first glance everything from their playing style to attitudes on the pitch appear to be at odds. The passion Pippo showed is rare in and of itself but it is practically non-existent in Balo most of the time.

 

[USC]

That's the most idiotic idea I've heard in a long time, a predictive model for young players. Training, form, team composition, injuries can all vastly affect players careers, the type of shit you can't predict

Um, really? How do those factors you mention different from traditional scouting too? Most eye based scouting has about a 50% hit rate; the point of bringing advanced analytics into the fold is to increase the hit probability. The point is that scouting needs to use both analytics and the typical eye approach in conjunction with each other.

Ljajic was shit throughout the year, Fernandes was underwhelming, Berardi inconsistent, and Gabbiadini the same as Berardi.

Morata is the definition of a mediocre youth player. Stick him anywhere else other than a big team and he's drivel.

What is this stat site? Seems like crap to me.

It's statsbomb, which is pretty well thought of. Obviously most clubs with an advanced analytics department have their own models that are proprietary.

http://www.statsbomb.com/2014/06/the-top-young-prospects-across-europe-a-yapss-data-dump/

There is also an interesting tidbit:

There’s also the weird factor that a guy who plays fullback (Ricardo Rodriguez) is listed in the attacking player model. That has happened one other time in the five-year data set that I have. That player’s name was Gareth Bale.

Without knowing the direct inputs, I have a hard time doing anything other than presenting the findings and allowing people to make up their own minds.

 

[USC]

I am not sure about Morata, I see a lot of Morientes in him, now that's a compliment at his age, although I think Morientes was a better player at 21. I'm just not sure what his ceiling is...it's a risk, for 20 million or less it would be worth it for sure. I'm surprised Real would sell.

Everything that I have read indicates the existence of a buyback clause

 

[CapitanoMaldini]

Moneyball

 

[CapitanoMaldini]

Everything that I have read indicates the existence of a 15 M buyback clause

Hmmmm, I believe his contract is up at year's end and he probably wants more playing time but would Juve really take him on, give him that game time only to have him bought back if his performance is up to par? Doesn't seem like their style of purchase in that sense.

 

[ikita]

Bro you know I'm no part of this forum's beta beta beta fraternity that keeps sucking off every shit that management does but how the fuck are we a whole 10 years behind juBe

Let me clarify.... I really don't rate the second rate tournament that is Serie A. That said, we won two CL's last decade....where the fuck were Juventus? We also won a Scudetto in 2010. Sure we're shit now and recently but you can't always be on top.

well if you be bringing in that sine wave argument, in recent years we've been in a trough rite? but our stay there has been prolonged by shit-ass decisions and signings. e.g. shit-ass decision made most recently was keeping allegri ahead of the 2013-2014 season and the shit-ass signing to accompany that was matri.

these people are operating as though its their goal to keep us down in the dumps forever.

what's that? you cant be down in the dumps forever? boi I swear our management was trying to prove you wrong for a long time now.

 

[kosL]

Inzaghi is definitely going to bring a culture change. I would like to know what he thinks of Balo because at first glance everything from their playing style to attitudes on the pitch appear to be at odds. The passion Pippo showed is rare in and of itself but it is practically non-existent in Balo most of the time.

I agree there.
I reckon Balo's inability to demonstrate that he makes every effort to play for the team would have negative impact on Pippo's decision.

 

[USC]

Awesome shot

 

[kosL]

Agreed. Without CL, stripping the squad down is essential but we need quality in the midfield and at the back as well. If we don't have another 10-15 million to spend on 2-3 quality additions after Iturbe it would show a real lack of foresight. If we keep Mexes and Zapata, along with Rami (hopefully) and Alex our CBs are set, with Bonera who can fill in at RB in a pinch. We would still need a quality LB or RB (depending on where you want to play De Sciglio) and a quality midfielder or preferably two of them with Monto injured and Honda not having a natural position in a 4-3-3.

Honda can play an inside half position. In fact, I may be wrong, but I think he used to play that position in the Dutch league when he captained his team.

 

[ikita]

Nope. I come here for entertainment.

Nice. have a good one fella

 

[Deleted member 35916]

Nice. have a good one fella

Since you're into the gif posting crowd I'm going to presume you are just a second account for MR. Never understood the kids on Internet who instead of a valid argument post pictures.

 

[LemonCookies]

Since you're into the gif posting crowd I'm going to presume you are just a second account for MR. Never understood the kids on Internet who instead of a valid argument post pictures.

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I think everyone can agree Rodriguez is the best left back in the world.

 

[Deleted member 35916]

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I think everyone can agree Rodriguez is the best left back in the world.

You could have at least waited a bit before proving my point. Thanks.

 

[LemonCookies]

You could have at least waited a bit before proving my point. Thanks.

 

[MarioReality]

Alfredo Pedulla states that the agreement that Juventus has with Iturbe means nothing if they don't meet Verona's offer

Which is just common sense........
I mean unless you're the "shit on Milan at every chance" type of fan

 

[MarioReality]

Gazzetta - Marotta will only MAXIMUM give Verona 25m. Marrone could be replaced over Quagliarella

Gazzetta - Juventus and Marotta don't believe Milan's offer of 28m for Iturbe

Gazzetta - Today Verona will meet again with Juve again. Sogliano took the night to evaluate the offer in which he hasn't agreed

Gazzetta - Iturbe right now is on vacation in Paraguay and won't meet anyone until he's back in Italy

 

[LemonCookies]

Di Francesco has a hard on for Marrone, no way he gets shifted around easily by Jube with their co ownership deal with Sassuolo.

 

[milanpalermo23]

Gazzetta - Marotta will only MAXIMUM give Verona 25m. Marrone could be replaced over Quagliarella

Gazzetta - Juventus and Marotta don't believe Milan's offer of 28m for Iturbe

Gazzetta - Today Verona will meet again with Juve again. Sogliano took the night to evaluate the offer in which he hasn't agreed

Gazzetta - Iturbe right now is on vacation in Paraguay and won't meet anyone until he's back in Italy

Why won't we meet with Verona?

 

[Sage]

Gazzetta - Juventus and Marotta don't believe Milan's offer of 28m for Iturbe