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Feels good not being either a Tijjani or Tonali orphan :cool:.
Milan before anyone. If you aren't winning Milan trophies, off you go.
I think you've missed the point... We'd stand a better chance of WINNING with Sandro and Deers.

Selling our best players every 2 years and starting new cycles every few years isn't really conducive for starting a winning trend.

Keeping our stars and building around these pieces is better for us.

If you want to win, we need the best players we can get. It's not about supporting these guys more than the club bro.
 

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AUM doesn't mean shit if they're not going to use it on the club.
How much AUM does Oaktree have? $172 Billion.
How much are they spending on Merda? None. Merda have to use their own revenues to pay off their fucking debts.

People familiar with Investcorp back when we were a rumored target already said that if they had bought Milan, it would have been more of Elliot style investing (meaning loans + Obligations), not mad investing into the club.
You need serious money to run a football club, this isn't the NFL, there is no reward for failing with a draft and no socialized revenues to help you out. Not being top four is a huge problem financially, which is why all those clubs want the Super League. MLS clubs artificially high valuation is rooted in the fact they can't be relegated.

But like you said: it doesn't matter what an ownership is worth, what they are willing to put in is more important. Redbird have not put in money to bolster Milan's transfers, nothing significant (if at all) even if Milan's revenues would support rather large acquisitions. They have put billions into various other investments, while their paltry spending (and arrogant approach) has yielded real damage to the club in the 8th place finish.

Elliott had to cover tons of losses, they were pour millions into Milan, and even they spent more on transfers than Redbird. Their first two windows with Leonardo were expensive, and shit, lol, but they learned from that and moved on from him and changed their approach drastically with Maldini at the helm.

Redbird treat Milan like they are trying to flip a multimillion dollar residence with the same materials they used on some shitty house they bought at auction in a gentrifying neighborhood.

Elliott knew what they had to spend to sell Milan, and they did it. Would Investcorp? We don't know, maybe they'd be like Chelsea, spending money and being shit? Maybe they'd be worse than Redbird? We don't know.

But Elliott put a lot of money into Milan, yes, for selfish reasons, but, selfish reasons means success for Milan, so I'm indifferent to the reasons lol.
 

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I think Gordon has become a fan of Milan, but comparing Elliott's approaches to Oaktree's (so far)--Elliott look benevolent in comparison. I happen to respect the way they do business, their Barnes and Noble turnaround is impressive.

Elliott got Milan without the club having much debt ( except some transfer debt ) because Yohong Li had cleared the debt when he bought the club.
Oaktree got Inter with the club still owing 400 mil in debt. It's a completely different situation.

At first It was easy for Elliott to increase the club's value by putting in around a few hundred mil. When the club's value crossed 1 billion they saw it might not be that easy to further increase the club's value and they stopped putting more money in and sold the club.
 

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Yeah I too read the wikipedia article. They don't have experience with sports. But nice spin there from sports -> sports media :g:
What spin? You brought up sports experience, and then in the same breath discounted Toulouse, because it went against your own framing. I don't even like Redbird, lol.

What experience does Investcorp have in any sports market, of any kind?

Jeez.
 
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With Tonali we would have been penalized because of his gambling.
With Reijn I am not convinced by him.
We could have still bought Deers, and yes lost Sandro for a year. But the acquisition of Deers helps with that.

The only stats I need is that since selling Tonali to fund another year zero, we've won a supercup and finished 8th, regularly dropping out of the CL pretty early.

While choking in the Italian cup year in year out.

Let see if selling Deers is the key to an upturn in our chances yeah?
 

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We could have still bought Deers, and yes lost Sandro for a year. But the acquisition of Deers helps with that.

The only stats I need is that since selling Tonali to fund another year zero, we've won a supercup and finished 8th, regularly dropping out of the CL pretty early.

While choking in the Italian cup year in year out.

Let see if selling Deers is the key to an upturn in our chances yeah?
Didn't Tonali's sale fund Reijn?
Whatever dude, the whole team needs to be replaced as far as I'm concerned.
I don't rate Tiji so I am not mourning his sale.
And you're really naive if you think we can keep Tiji or any other player with the way we have been performing anyways. Sooner or later players will walk for free if they don't find success here.
 

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Elliott got Milan without the club having much debt ( except some transfer debt ) because Yohong Li had cleared the debt when he bought the club.
Oaktree got Inter with the club still owing 400 mil in debt. It's a completely different situation.

At first It was easy for Elliott to increase the club's value by putting in around a few hundred mil. When the club's value crossed 1 billion they saw it might not be that easy to further increase the club's value and they stopped putting more money in and sold the club.
Li's clearing of Milan's debts were paid for by Elliott, no? Or from the mysterious money he cobbled together, lost, and then faded away without fighting over millions?

I'm not sure it was easy, the increase in value was only possible because they had rapidly increased performances while cutting costs--a very difficult thing to do. It also was an undervalued asset, with a stone-age marketing department that did not leverage the strength of the brand.

Oaktree did not have to invest into Inter, they chose to do that, while Elliott chose the better brand to invest in.

The next jump in Milan's value will come with a stadium, and the real estate portfolio that a sports team allows you to acquire--like San Donato. San Donato allows you to sell Milanello, either to develop San Donato and the surrounding areas, or to utilize San Siro as the next stage of your portfolio growth. That's what Arsenal did with Highbury, what Chelsea wants to do (but can't because the fans have insane control over Stamford Bridge), it's the key to that next jump in valuation.

The other key jump would be to push Milan's sporting success to the next level, and that would require marketing expertise that Elliott does not have, sponsorship revenue and the reach of Milan, as a brand, is that second area, but it is only possible with the sporting side. I think Elliott thought they were handing over a solid sporting area that had to be maximized by Redbird with their marketing and media expertise.

I have become increasingly convinced that Elliott brought Redbird on as a partner to maximize those two areas, the stadium and brand leverage, and while they are still doing well with the stadium, they have failed so miserably at the sporting side of things that it is hurting the brand marketing work they are trying to do.
 

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I think you've missed the point... We'd stand a better chance of WINNING with Sandro and Deers.

Selling our best players every 2 years and starting new cycles every few years isn't really conducive for starting a winning trend.

Keeping our stars and building around these pieces is better for us.

If you want to win, we need the best players we can get. It's not about supporting these guys more than the club bro.
Plus, the trash in management told us Milan didn't have to sell, probably while already trying to sell smh.
 

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Li's clearing of Milan's debts were paid for by Elliott, no? Or from the mysterious money he cobbled together, lost, and then faded away without fighting over millions?

I'm not sure it was easy, the increase in value was only possible because they had rapidly increased performances while cutting costs--a very difficult thing to do. It also was an undervalued asset, with a stone-age marketing department that did not leverage the strength of the brand.

Oaktree did not have to invest into Inter, they chose to do that, while Elliott chose the better brand to invest in.

The next jump in Milan's value will come with a stadium, and the real estate portfolio that a sports team allows you to acquire--like San Donato. San Donato allows you to sell Milanello, either to develop San Donato and the surrounding areas, or to utilize San Siro as the next stage of your portfolio growth. That's what Arsenal did with Highbury, what Chelsea wants to do (but can't because the fans have insane control over Stamford Bridge), it's the key to that next jump in valuation.

The other key jump would be to push Milan's sporting success to the next level, and that would require marketing expertise that Elliott does not have, sponsorship revenue and the reach of Milan, as a brand, is that second area, but it is only possible with the sporting side. I think Elliott thought they were handing over a solid sporting area that had to be maximized by Redbird with their marketing and media expertise.

I have become increasingly convinced that Elliott brought Redbird on as a partner to maximize those two areas, the stadium and brand leverage, and while they are still doing well with the stadium, they have failed so miserably at the sporting side of things that it is hurting the brand marketing work they are trying to do.

When Li bought Milan it was a 750 mil deal. 500 mil in cash to Berlusconi and 250 mil for the debt Milan held. Li bought the club and paid the 250 mil in debt. He also took a 300-350 loan from Elliott guaranteed by equity in Milan.

Then Elliott got the club in return for the default on the loan to them. That loan wasn't on Milan's books. So Elliott got the club without any real debt on it ( though it was a loss making club ). They had to spend to improve the club and make it into a breakeven club.

But Li lost around 400-500 mil of his ( or his investors funds ) in the Milan deal. That included the 250 mil to clear the debt and from running the club at loss for 1 year and then losing it.
 
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When Li bought Milan it was a 750 mil deal. 500 mil in cash to Berlusconi and 250 mil for the debt Milan held. Lii bought the club and paid the 250 mil in debt. He also took a 300-350 loan from Elliott guaranteed by equity in Milan.

Then Elliott got the club in return for the default on the loan to them. That loan wasn't on Milan's books. So Elliott got the club without any real debt on it ( though it was a loss making club ). They had to spend to improve the club and make it into a breakeven club.

But Li lost around 400-500 mil of his ( or his investors funds ) in the Milan deal. That included the 250 mil to clear the debt and from running the club at loss for 1 year and then losing it.
What prevents Oaktree from clearing Inter of its debts with its own money as the new owner of Inter?
 

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Didn't Tonali's sale fund Reijn?
Whatever dude, the whole team needs to be replaced as far as I'm concerned.
I don't rate Tiji so I am not mourning his sale.
And you're really naive if you think we can keep Tiji or any other player with the way we have been performing anyways. Sooner or later players will walk for free if they don't find success here.
You're cute x
 

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Plus, the trash in management told us Milan didn't have to sell, probably while already trying to sell smh.
They talk like politicians, and I've never believed politicians bullshit, so guess what I think when RedTurd say stuff... Either walk the walk or just stop talking!!!
 

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When Li bought Milan it was a 750 mil deal. 500 mil in cash to Berlusconi and 250 mil for the debt Milan held. Lii bought the club and paid the 250 mil in debt. He also took a 300-350 loan from Elliott guaranteed by equity in Milan.

Then Elliott got the club in return for the default on the loan to them. That loan wasn't on Milan's books. So Elliott got the club without any real debt on it ( though it was a loss making club ). They had to spend to improve the club and make it into a breakeven club.

But Li lost around 400-500 mil of his ( or his investors funds ) in the Milan deal. That included the 250 mil to clear the debt and from running the club at loss for 1 year and then losing it.
I remember Li watching Milan on a crummy laptop
Dude bankrupted himself to buy us
He didn't know what he was doing
 

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When Li bought Milan it was a 750 mil deal. 500 mil in cash to Berlusconi and 250 mil for the debt Milan held. Lii bought the club and paid the 250 mil in debt. He also took a 300-350 loan from Elliott guaranteed by equity in Milan.

Then Elliott got the club in return for the default on the loan to them. That loan wasn't on Milan's books. So Elliott got the club without any real debt on it ( though it was a loss making club ). They had to spend to improve the club and make it into a breakeven club.

But Li lost around 400-500 mil of his ( or his investors funds ) in the Milan deal. That included the 250 mil to clear the debt and from running the club at loss for 1 year and then losing it.
Biggest Milanista out there.
No one else in the whole world would have sacrificed that much money to turn this club around, and end up with nothing for himself.
Respect :leao7:
 
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When Li bought Milan it was a 750 mil deal. 500 mil in cash to Berlusconi and 250 mil for the debt Milan held. Lii bought the club and paid the 250 mil in debt. He also took a 300-350 loan from Elliott guaranteed by equity in Milan.

Then Elliott got the club in return for the default on the loan to them. That loan wasn't on Milan's books. So Elliott got the club without any real debt on it ( though it was a loss making club ). They had to spend to improve the club and make it into a breakeven club.

But Li lost around 400-500 mil of his ( or his investors funds ) in the Milan deal. That included the 250 mil to clear the debt and from running the club at loss for 1 year and then losing it.

Still believe Li was a front man for Berlusca to bring capital back from China before Xi Jinping freezes capital outflows abroad.

There's no other way to explain it. What do you think?
 

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