The Rumour Commode XXXI: The Panther Era

leaf said:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ACMilan/co...home/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Actual "Milan" fans are calling iBra's world boss put down -racist

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nonsonoqui said:

A ban for both wouldn't placate me. At all.

For all of the absurdity surrounding this Ibra-Lukaku case--the fabrications on social media by journalists, the hilarious exchange itself--it could nonetheless have serious repercussions for our season. In a league where common sense is in short supply and where actual racism is dismissed or given perfunctory disapproval, it would make perfect sense that they would come down hard on Ibra. I expressed this yesterday as well and since then the chorus to make an example out of him has grown. Lukaku was out of control, but, meh, the gentle giant was provoked. Never mind the fact that in the last 72 hours he hasn't uttered a word himself where he even remotely insinuates anything racist was said. None of that matters, apparently.

I am quietly resigning myself to the fact that we may have to do without Ibra for the derby. I hope I am completely wrong, but it's the overall climate that I am concerned about. I expressed my misgivings yesterday as well.

I follow the Italian media quite closely, listen to several podcasts, and frequent the Italian Milan forum...let's just say the debate is venomous and disingenuous enough for it to be a problem. A telltale sign, in my view, will be whether the state broadcaster RAI still allows Ibra as a guest on Sanremo (it's a music festival of sorts) in March. If they renege that will set the tone and tenor for whatever punishment is to be meted out. I know excluding Ibra would have no direct legal implications, but it's weird... if you read Italian dailies, listen to the procession of deranged pundits... you get a sense quickly of where the wind is blowing. I can't explain it. Despite the political leanings of the papers in question, the editorial line converges at some point, and you just know what's coming. It hasn't quite happened yet, but I feel it in my bones--it's not far off. I really really hope that I am being paranoid. Our season is going well, the game against Bologna is huge...it's a delicate moment.

In my view neither Ibra nor Lukaku should be punished beyond whatever punishment they received.

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Wild said:

Its really pathetic that Lukaku didnt address the matter saying it wasnt a race thing.
And who said saying i will shoot you in the head isnt worse than saying a racist word ?
Whats next ? Its ok to kill someone who said the N word ?
Ffs that could turn to be worse than adopting isis concepts.

Those fake racist incidents are turning to be worse than real incidents & its ashame that no one is addressing the issue.
Those refs that got banned because they have a word in their language that is considered racist in a totally different language was idiotic & yet no one dared to say anything not even their own country.

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“I need this experience to play and mature, I think the right time has come. At Milan I have learned a lot in recent months, working daily with champions you can’t help but grow. Why Cremonese? I felt that this was the right choice for me. Cremonese wanted me more than others, even though I had several proposals. I hope to start well, the coach has made me understand that I have to work hard to gain space.”

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nonsonoqui said:

A ban for both wouldn't placate me. At all.

For all of the absurdity surrounding this Ibra-Lukaku case--the fabrications on social media by journalists, the hilarious exchange itself--it could nonetheless have serious repercussions for our season. In a league where common sense is in short supply and where actual racism is dismissed or given perfunctory disapproval, it would make perfect sense that they would come down hard on Ibra. I expressed this yesterday as well and since then the chorus to make an example out of him has grown. Lukaku was out of control, but, meh, the gentle giant was provoked. Never mind the fact that in the last 72 hours he hasn't uttered a word himself where he even remotely insinuates anything racist was said. None of that matters, apparently.

I am quietly resigning myself to the fact that we may have to do without Ibra for the derby. I hope I am completely wrong, but it's the overall climate that I am concerned about. I expressed my misgivings yesterday as well.

I follow the Italian media quite closely, listen to several podcasts, and frequent the Italian Milan forum...let's just say the debate is venomous and disingenuous enough for it to be a problem. A telltale sign, in my view, will be whether the state broadcaster RAI still allows Ibra as a guest on Sanremo (it's a music festival of sorts) in March. If they renege that will set the tone and tenor for whatever punishment is to be meted out. I know excluding Ibra would have no direct legal implications, but it's weird... if you read Italian dailies, listen to the procession of deranged pundits... you get a sense quickly of where the wind is blowing. I can't explain it. Despite the political leanings of the papers in question, the editorial line converges at some point, and you just know what's coming. It hasn't quite happened yet, but I feel it in my bones--it's not far off. I really really hope that I am being paranoid. Our season is going well, the game against Bologna is huge...it's a delicate moment.

In my view neither Ibra nor Lukaku should be punished beyond whatever punishment they received.

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Master Smurf said:

Agree with Wild - Lukaku should come out and say "hey it wasnt racist, I just lost my head lets move on" or "Hey, it wasnt rascist but in the moment I took it that way and lost it"

Something!!!!

It doesnt make sense to let it just lay out there and then we go down some big witch-hunt road for no reason.
- And then when a real incident occurs in the future nobody will care for what he has to say because they wont believe him.

I guess some people arent man enough to own up to things - damn just say my bad.

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leaf said:

"Milan fans" on Reddit calling iBra racist

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leaf said:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ACMilan/co...home/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Actual "Milan" fans are calling iBra's world boss put down -racist

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Hitchens said:

Please keep us posted. It seems you're able to pick up on signals outside the mainstream of what us twitter parrots are able to gather.

It's fascinating that radical and deranged anti-racism as a concept actually has this much effect, considering its absolutely rotten foundations.

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Pingu said:

Colombo at Cremonese unveiling:



Good luck kid, hope you kill it there and prove your worth.

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Bird said:

Vucinic while at ladri, says, right to the linesman's face and near the mic, something in his native language, along the lines of "I'll fuck your family, you bald fuck!".
Consequences: None.

Dzeko spits in the refs face.
Consequences: Red carded but for an earlier incident. This action went unpunished.

Zlatan says "picku materinu", randomly, as all Balkans do no matter age/sex, to no one specific but happened to say it less than 10 meters away from the linesman, which the linesman didn't see or hear but this was noticed and brought up to the attention of FIGC by the media.

Consequences: Three game ban.

The inconsistency is ridiculous.

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Wild said:

And who said saying i will shoot you in the head isnt worse than saying a racist word ?
Whats next ? Its ok to kill someone who said the N word ?
Ffs that could turn to be worse than adopting isis concepts.

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leaf said:

This type of shit inflames the race relations....it's almost as if they wanted it that way

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Pingu said:

Thanks for the Italian media/community insight. From the English-speaking part (social media, Reddit etc) everyone is SJWing Lukaku as if he was held at gunpoint and racially abused for years by Ibra as if he's a devil. It's maddening to think that they at the same time write off the supposed "I'll shoot you in the head." line as joke, because it came from a black man and he'd never do that, compared to what Ibra said. Italy is a weird place as you've said how racism in football particularly is handled, but with Ibra let's make an example. I assume we find out more tomorrow, media talks of Sporting Judge then. If Ibra gets punished and Lukaku does not see equal when that is injustice.

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Raz said:

I don't give a flying fuck about reddit. I'm asking if anyone here thinks he's racist

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Qaas said:

If they punish Zlatan then its because they are against the come up of Milan.
They will just be using this incident as an excuse.

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Qaas said:

The likes speak for themselves.

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nonsonoqui said:

I don't know bro...I am wary of using this line of argument. We're on a Milan forum, so it's tempting to yell "AGNELLI!!!!" or whatever at every turn. Let me also make it clear (lest there is any doubt) had Ibra been actually explicitly racist, I'd be singing a completely different tune right now--despite my club allegiance.

I just think, at this point, there is a risk of an idiotic, incomprehensible punishment that does nothing to address broader fundamental problems in the Italian game, and I find even that risk unacceptable and unnerving.

But anyway, for now, let's sit tight and focus on Bologna.

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nonsonoqui said:

I don't know bro...I am wary of using this line of argument. We're on a Milan forum, so it's tempting to yell "AGNELLI!!!!" or whatever at every turn. Let me also make it clear (lest there is any doubt) had Ibra been actually explicitly racist, I'd be singing a completely different tune right now--despite my club allegiance.

I just think, at this point, there is a risk of an idiotic, incomprehensible punishment that does nothing to address broader fundamental problems in the Italian game, and I find even that risk unacceptable and unnerving.

But anyway, for now, let's sit tight and focus on Bologna.

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milanator said:

Football is the last place where one have to worry about racism.
Whatever race, one has all opportunities career wise, even very right leaning clubs sign african players etc.
In many other fields people would be glad if racism manifests only in some nasty chants or insults while earning completely inflated wages.

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