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brk said:
Would love a comparison between Tonali at Brescia and Locatelli. Locatelli doesn't play a strict regista role, it's more of a double pivot and he roams around a lot. Still, i'm curious about the numbers between them and if they're comparable.
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Didn't look at the numbers yet, but here it is.

The last bunch of stats are the most important, KP Key passes, 1/3 completed passes into final third, PPA completed passes into the box, CrsPA completed crosses into the box, Prog Progressive passes (they define it at as" Completed passes that move the ball towards the opponent's goal at least 10 yards from its furthest point in the last six passes, or any completed pass into the penalty area. Excludes passes from the defending 40% of the pitch")
 
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Its clear that Tonali does a lot of riskier passes and Locatelli is the guy that keeps the team moving with safer passes, recycling possession. Shows in the fact that they have similar completed long passes but Locatelli has a LOT more shorter and medium passes, but the expected assists for Tonali is double Locatelli. The have fairly similar numbers for all the important stuff like key passes and progressive passes, etc but the difference in the amount of shorter passes that Locatelli does is striking. Tonali clearly just gets the ball and launches it forwards whenever he can.
 
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There should be a thread about scouting, stats and analyses with deep theoretical discussion, it could be interesting but it requires people that know what are they talking about.
 
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brk said:
The last bunch of stats are the most important, KP Key passes,
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I'd say this is the least important, considering that Tonali was Brescia's main set-piece taker, and Loca hardly takes any.

In open play

Tonali: 1.58 per 90 at Brecia, 1.49 at Milan.

Loca: 2.25, 2.65 and 2.88 in the last 3 seasons at Sassuolo.
2.76 at Milan.
 
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Goodfella said:
I'd say this is the least important, considering that Tonali was Brescia's main set-piece taker, and Loca hardly takes any.

In open play

Tonali: 1.58 per 90 at Brecia, 1.49 at Milan.

Loca: 2.25, 2.65 and 2.88 in the last 3 seasons at Sassuolo.
2.76 at Milan.
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Oh those stats exclude all set pieces. So the fact that Tonali took those doesn't factor into those numbers.

Also, in open play what? Those are key passes? Source please, as it's different from Fbref.
 
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Wild said:
Yeah , i honestly doubt there is more exotic & selection than lebanese cuisine specially home made food.
Lebanese people spend half their life thinking , preparing & consuming food
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You should try different food to make the judgement. For me I find Italian, Indian, Mexican and Iranian food particularly very good.

For bbq I like Pakistani grilled meat and chicken. Iranian wins the rice competition especially soups and stews.
 
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Saelemakers not in the Euros? They don't even have such a great team, don't know why so many see them as favorites.
 
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La Gazzetta - Milan is moving in the offensive line, not just Giroud.. There are other player files that are being looked at:

- Melek (Marseille)
- Skamaka (Sassuolo)
- Vlahovic (Fiorentina)
- Raspaduri (Sassuolo)


@NonEvoluto Dzeko's agent for Roma has told Milan and Inter that his client will be available to move this summer

 
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joyrider said:
La Gazzetta - Milan is moving in the offensive line, not just Giroud.. There are other player files that are being looked at:

- Melek (Marseille)
- Skamaka (Sassuolo)
- Vlahovic (Fiorentina)
- Raspaduri (Sassuolo)


@NonEvoluto Dzeko's agent for Roma has told Milan and Inter that his client will be available to move this summer
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Gazzetta did not pay the license and can't use the real names
 
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joyrider said:
La Gazzetta - Milan is moving in the offensive line, not just Giroud.. There are other player files that are being looked at:

- Melek (Marseille)
- Skamaka (Sassuolo)
- Vlahovic (Fiorentina)
- Raspaduri (Sassuolo)


@NonEvoluto Dzeko's agent for Roma has told Milan and Inter that his client will be available to move this summer
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Melek, Skamaka, and Raspaduri :lol:
 
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brk said:
Oh those stats exclude all set pieces. So the fact that Tonali took those doesn't factor into those numbers.

Also, in open play what? Those are key passes? Source please, as it's different from Fbref.
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Key passes include set-pieces. That's why Hakan tops it.

Fbref has "key passes" and "shot-creating actions", such as passes. I think the difference between "key passes" and "shot-creating passes" is that the latter also includes "hockey assists", or passes that indirectly lead to a shot.
The "shot-creating actions" section is very detailed. There's live balls, dead balls, dribbling, fouls, etc.

For detailed key pass stats, you'll need to look at the "Detailed" section of WhoScored. Tonali gets a lot of key passes from set-pieces.
 
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Goodfella said:
Key passes include set-pieces. That's why Hakan tops it.

Fbref has "key passes" and "shot-creating actions", such as passes. I think the difference between "key passes" and "shot-creating passes" is that the latter also includes "hockey assists", or passes that indirectly lead to a shot.
The "shot-creating actions" section is very detailed. There's live balls, dead balls, dribbling, fouls, etc.

For detailed key pass stats, you'll need to look at the "Detailed" section of WhoScored. Tonali gets a lot of key passes from set-pieces.
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Most ppl here will realize how deceiving stats are when they look at the full picture.

Hakan does not even make it top 5 in his position in serie a.

I?ll post all his stats soon and people will see how player like zaccagni is head and shoulders above hakan stats wise. Yet he has the audacity to ask for 6m a year.
 
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I'm curious about it, what is your role in this project? (composer, producer, instrument player etc.)
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Can we hear it when your are done ?
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Sure! i will pm you guys when it's ready
I produce and compose everything myself, but as i normally work with synths and piano's, i can't play these instruments like oud and rababa, snare instruments, so i'm working together now with some people who play it for years
 
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brk said:
Its clear that Tonali does a lot of riskier passes and Locatelli is the guy that keeps the team moving with safer passes, recycling possession. Shows in the fact that they have similar completed long passes but Locatelli has a LOT more shorter and medium passes, but the expected assists for Tonali is double Locatelli. The have fairly similar numbers for all the important stuff like key passes and progressive passes, etc but the difference in the amount of shorter passes that Locatelli does is striking. Tonali clearly just gets the ball and launches it forwards whenever he can.
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I think Tonali's set-piece key passes have skewed those stats.

Locatelli has a higher percentage of accurate passes regardless of length. More through-balls. More attempted and successful dribbling. More shot-creating passes. More expected assists per 90 from open play.
 
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Goodfella said:
I think Tonali's set-piece key passes have skewed those stats.

Locatelli has a higher percentage of accurate passes regardless of length. More through-balls. More attempted and successful dribbling. More shot-creating passes. More expected assists per 90 from open play.
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The images I posted from Fbref/Stats exclude all set pieces for those last couple of stats except for Key passes, you're right set pieces are included. I'm not suggesting that Tonali is better, just curious how he stacks up with Locatelli when he played the full season at Brescia.
 
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Il grande Milan said:
Sure! i will pm you guys when it's ready
I produce and compose everything myself, but as i normally work with synths and piano's, i can't play these instruments like oud and rababa, snare instruments, so i'm working together now with some people who play it for years
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I have a lute from Oman, not sure if it will contribute.

You should put some tablas and dolkis in your music.
 
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brk said:
The images I posted from Fbref/Stats exclude all set pieces for those last couple of stats except for Key passes, you're right set pieces are included. I'm not suggesting that Tonali is better, just curious how he stacks up with Locatelli when he played the full season at Brescia.
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Not just key passes - the xA, assists and crosses as well.
Loca had more progressive passes.

I don't think those Fbref stats suggest that Tonali has a riskier style at all.
He just misplaces passes more often.
 
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Bigger? I read it as even smaller. To me it sounded like 'we won't spend like we did last summer and we will continue with the path that got us here, targeted and well researched unheralded players.
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I hope this is not true.
 
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