The Rumour Commode XLI: Ragnarok

[Kuroha]

For anyone who want Inter to lose tonight so they could slip from 3rd, just a friendly reminder. Before you're wishing bad things happened to others, make sure that you yourself is safe. Tonight, Inter is the enemy of our enemy.

 

[Longbowman]

100%. Best team of all time. They would shit on farca midgets of peps era. Fraud poopy pep shouldn't have even won 2 of those titles anyway. Chelsea game should have been a loss. The only legit win was the 09 one.

Chelsea game was in 2009.
Referee helped them vs Arsenal in 2011. RVP send off.

 

[Alo88]

Need this to happen, because for once I want to watch a MD38 game relaxed, knowing we've secured a place in the top 4. (From previous experiences vs Sassuolo and Atalanta, it hasn't gone too badly, but this time I want everything settled).

That's my stance too. I know it's a bit cowardly, and Atalanta beating Inter could mean we take over the third place. But I wouldn't mind going into MD38 with everything settled for us TBH. Moreover, if there's a scenario where Inter drops out of Top 4 but we still end 4th (behind Atalanta for example), we'd have to fear Inter winning CL even more.

As for Juve. I expect them to be super focused in the first 20-25 minutes as per usual. That's where we often times are the weakest. So survive those 25 minutes and then all in on a win, Juve as seen against Empoli is in a fragile mental state. If we score I think they'll crumble.

EDIT: Wait, if we win tomorrow, it doesn't matter what the other teams do because we have the h-2-h against Atalanta.

 

[Longbowman]

For anyone who want Inter to lose tonight so they could slip from 3rd, just a friendly reminder. Before you're hoping bad things happened for others, make sure that you yourself is safe. Tonight, Inter is the enemy of our enemy.

Inter must lose for us to have a chance at top 3. You can never be sure about Juve appeals. Gerry will take that as excuse for not spending.

 

[Cloren]

Biggest CL choke up to date against Deportivo? Check
An even bigger CL choke the following season against Liverpool? Check
One scudetto in 8 seasons with arguably one of the best assembled squads of all time, while not really contending ever in the other 7 seasons? Check
Lost a Baguette League title to Montpellier ( ) with PSG super team? Check
Sacked 6 games into his second season in Bayern? Check
Inherited Sarri's 91 points Napoli team and managed to collect 15 less than him the following season? Check
Everton?
His 21/22 Real Madrid season is undoubtfully the best in his career.
He got his ass whooped by Pep and lost the title to one of the worst Barca's squads in the last 30 years this season.

5 domestic titles in while coaching Juventus, Milan, Chelsea, PSG, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Napoli (?), Real Madrid in 20 years is straight-out embarrassing.

Idk though, he really might be the goat.

Only manager to win 4 CLs - Check

Only manager to win all top 5 leagues - Check

Manager with most champions league match wins - Check

Coach in the season Parma achieved their highest position in the league - Check

Ending Milan’s mini banter era in Europe for 6 years by winning the CL in his first full season - Check

Winning a CL with Milan the season after their best striker was sold off to Chelsea and didn’t get an appropriate replacement with the oldest squad ever - Check

Ending Sir Alex’s United 3 peat dominance and preventing them from winning 4 PL titles in a row - Check

Ending PSG league title drought since Stone Age - Check

Ended Real Madrid CL drought after 12 years in his first season there and win La Décima - Check

One of the only 4 Madrid managers to win CL and La Liga in one season - Check

Only Madrid manager to win all 6 possible trophies - Check

Only manager at Everton to win at Anfield since 1999 - Check

He really might be the GOAT indeed

 

[Neruda2.0]

Forza Maldini Pioli

 

[Qaas]

Why wild loves pep

When @leaf watches this and suddenly becomes the biggest fan

 

[Longbowman]

Only manager to win 4 CLs - Check

Only manager to win all top 5 leagues - Check

Manager with most champions league wins - Check

Coach in the season Parma achieved their highest position in the league - Check

Ending Milan’s mini banter era in Europe for 6 years by winning the CL in his first full season - Check

Winning a CL the season after their best striker was sold off to Chelsea and didn’t get an appropriate replacement with the oldest squad ever - Check

Ending Sir Alex’s United 3 peat dominance and preventing them from winning 4 PL titles in a row - Check

Ending PSG league title drought since Stone Age - Check

Ended Real Madrid CL drought after 12 years in his first season there and win La Décima - Check

One of the only 4 Madrid managers to win CL and La Liga in one season - Check

Only Madrid manager to win all 6 possible trophies - Check

Only manager at Everton to win at Anfield since 1999 - Check

He really might be the GOAT indeed

Write same thing in first and third points in different words - check

 

[Soldier_of_god]

Chelsea game was in 2009.
Referee helped them vs Arsenal in 2011. RVP send off.

Ah true. Ridiculous game. You are right. Pathetic bunch of midget losers.

 

[Soldier_of_god]

That's my stance too. I know it's a bit cowardly, and Atalanta beating Inter could mean we take over the third place. But I wouldn't mind going into MD38 with everything settled for us TBH. Moreover, if there's a scenario where Inter drops out of Top 4 but we still end 4th (behind Atalanta for example), we'd have to fear Inter winning CL even more.

As for Juve. I expect them to be super focused in the first 20-25 minutes as per usual. That's where we often times are the weakest. So survive those 25 minutes and then all in on a win, Juve as seen against Empoli is in a fragile mental state. If we score I think they'll crumble.

EDIT: Wait, if we win tomorrow, it doesn't matter what the other teams do because we have the h-2-h against Atalanta.

H2h doesn't matter anymore. It's goal difference. We are ahead for that aspect too.

 

[Neruda2.0]

From my point of view, the team was completely finished. Something could/must have been built around Ibra and Silva.

Berlusconi and Galliani fucked up too much after the Champions League victory in 2007.

Kaka, for example, was sold far too cheaply. Plus many, many stupid transfers with Genoa and those nostalgia transfers like Beckham & Ronaldinho. Plus completely dysfunctional salaries.

Imagine if we had just kept Aubameyang instead of loaning a cucumber like Maxi Lopez.

The number of mistakes between 2008 and 2016 is just completely sick and you could fill a book with it.

If Berlusconi and Galliani hadn't failed so badly, we'd be fighting with Real for the number 1 spot in the world today.

Ill never forget missing on Allan, jorginho, naingollan strootman for cheap.. we could have had ab amazing team

Tevez etc

 

[Cloren]

So many people love to argue how Carlo bottled the 2004/2005 CLs and that he ‘owe’ us 2 CLs. How he so called underachieved, why don’t you guys argue about the fact that he actually overachieved when he won the CL in 2003 and 2007?

We were having a dreadful run in Europe after our golden 90s before he came in, and he won the CL and the Coppa in his first full season, ending the 2nd group stage above a better team and defending champions in Real Madrid.

Beating an amazing Inter and Juventus side to win the CL, 2 teams who were definitely better at that point in time squad wise and both of them ended above us in the league for 3 consecutive seasons or so. Winning a CL in that circumstances, now that is an overachievement.

Now let’s go back to 2007. Calciopoli took a toll on us, we got deducted like 30+ points, we also sold our best striker Shevchenko and didn’t get an adequate replacement for him. Ronaldo couldn’t even play in CL. The squad was ageing and old, instead of renovating the squad or getting replacements, we increased the salary of the old players. Basically the oldest squad to win a CL, beating that amazing United side and a pretty good Liverpool team that haunted us 2 seasons ago in Istanbul. He beat them and won CL. Now again that is what you call overachievement. That 3-0 win vs United is what you call an epic overachievement and it one of Carlo’s best coaches matches.

He underachieved and bottled 2 CLs when we were the best side in the world in 2004 and 2005 but he also repaid that back by winning CLs in 2003/07 when we had no business winning them.

It all evened out, Carlo’s 2007 CL repaid back those 2004/2005 bottle jobs so yeah. Not to mention 2004 Coruña were probably on PEDs and 2005 at Anfield Dudek cheated + made 2 insane saves.

 

[Soldier_of_god]

Ill never forget missing on Allan, jorginho, naingollan strootman for cheap.. we could have had ab amazing team

Ah yes. Jorgingo cause pos dint want to pay 20 mil.
Allan. Nainggolan yes

Pastore for years. Years. Fucking years.
Felipe melo we had a chance to get him too.

 

[brk]

H2h doesn't matter anymore. It's goal difference. We are ahead for that aspect too.

H2h matters. They only changed it for when teams are tied for the title.

 

[Cloren]

Write same thing in first and third points in different words - check

Not true. If you asked me this last season, Carlo would have been the manager with the most CLs 4, but he wouldn’t have had the most CL wins as that record was for Sir Alex. Carlo broke it after defeating Liverpool this season if I’m not wrong.

 

[Soldier_of_god]

So many people love to argue how Carlo bottled the 2004/2005 CLs and that he ‘owe’ us 2 CLs. How he so called underachieved, why don’t you guys argue about the fact that he actually overachieved when he won the CL in 2003 and 2007?

We were having a dreadful run in Europe after our golden 90s before he came in, and he won the CL and the Coppa in his first full season, ending the 2nd group stage above a better team and defending champions in Real Madrid.

Beating an amazing Inter and Juventus side to win the CL, 2 teams who were definitely better at that point in time squad wise and both of them ended above us in the league for 3 consecutive seasons or so. Winning a CL in that circumstances, now that is an overachievement.

Now let’s go back to 2007. Calciopoli took a toll on us, we got deducted like 30+ points, we also sold our best striker Shevchenko and didn’t get an adequate replacement for him. Ronaldo couldn’t even play in CL. The squad was ageing and old, instead of renovating the squad or getting replacements, we increased the salary of the old players. Basically the oldest squad to win a CL, beating that amazing United side and a pretty good Liverpool team that haunted us 2 seasons ago in Istanbul. He beat them and won CL. Now again that is what you call overachievement. That 3-0 win vs United is what you call an epic overachievement and it one of Carlo’s best coaches matches.

He underachieved and bottled 2 CLs when we were the best side in the world in 2004 and 2005 but he also repaid that back by winning CLs in 2003/07 when we had no business winning them.

It all evened out, Carlo’s 2007 CL repaid back those 2004/2005 bottle jobs so yeah. Not to mention 2004 Coruña were probably on PEDs and 2005 at Anfield Dudek cheated + made 2 insane saves.

Yea nha. We should have won atleast 3 in that period.

Plus 2 or 3 more scudetti.

Jube and inter cheating dint help obviously.

No way was inter stronger than us in 2002-2003.
Neither were jube.
Squad wise. Team wise.
It was fairly even but we had a slight edge.

 

[punisher]

I don't know what to write

 

[Cloren]

For anyone who want Inter to lose tonight so they could slip from 3rd, just a friendly reminder. Before you're hoping bad things happened for others, make sure that you yourself is safe. Tonight, Inter is the enemy of our enemy.

I understand this point of view. I legit do not care about the fact that whether they lost or not, I don’t care what happens to them in the league. I just want us to get to CL at all costs.

I want them to lose the CL final but in the league at this point I can’t be bothered. It’d be sweet if they somehow manage to not get into CL and we do, but it’s irrelevant at this point.

 

[Longbowman]

Not true. If you asked me this last season, Carlo would have been the manager with the most CLs 4, but he wouldn’t have had the most CL wins as that record for Sir Alex. Carlo broke it after defeating Liverpool this season if I’m not wrong.

My bad. Thought you meant CL trophy wins and not games won. Apologies

 

[punisher]

Dream scenario is atalanta wins today and we win tomorrow.

In summary imagine merda out of top 4 and loose the CL final.

One man can pray.....

 

[Longbowman]

Ah true. Ridiculous game. You are right. Pathetic bunch of midget losers.

Only CLs Barca won without Ref help are probably 1992 ( not sure of any controversies) and 2015.

 

[Pigeon]

I think most coaches have an expiration date, if they stay too long the team gets complacent or the players stop listening to him. Even Klopp, who many here like, has run its course at Liverpool by failing to make Cl with so many champions on his squad. Spalletti is a perfect example of someone who does well but for one reason or another doesn't stay long. After two successful seasons and a scudetto win is out at Napoli with Luis Enrique rumored to be his successor. I think 5 years at a club is about the right time before a change. I've long been an admirer of De Zerbi and he's my choice as our next coach for many reasons, including his personality. He often appears as a panelist on SportItalia and is very humble, a great sense of humor, and awesome tactician. He plays attractive football and is now an idol to Brighton fans, the club won't let him go but I hope he doesn't renew and in a couple of years, after his contract expires, hope to see him at Milan.

i'm not against upgrading pioli at all! idk why some people here seem to deliberately not want to understand this (mostly pioli's former #1 fan club + @sheva and @Qaas )

whoever seriously thinks that this management would fire pioli after this season and pay the release clause for another coach is either delusional or has not been following the club for the last few years. all this crying for a new coach is pointless, it won't happen.

it's like our RW position. instead of paying 2m loan fee + 5m for 31yo messias, they could have gambled on a young player with that money. they opted for the player who gives them somewhat guarantees. now, every time a possible reinforcement that costs more than 15-20m is mentioned here, you immediately hear that he doesn't outperform messias and therefore can't be an option.

the same reasoning can be applied to pioli:
reached a CL sf and can still finish 2nd place in the league. he is still overachieving with this squad, whether you want to accept it or not.
the next shiny thing in brighton for whom the former #1 pioli fan club is recently twerking, isn't outperforming pioli results wise right?
then why do people here seriously think this is a real possibility? or that a foreign coach like nagelsmann could be brought in. when was the last time that happened? it's like some want to be delusional on purpose.

not too long ago pioli's 'chaos' was the hottest shit (he was literally on fire), when italiano 'exposed' him he was promoted as the next successor, now that he's struggling at fiorentina nobody cares about him anymore, as the next hype job is located in england (after not even a full season). and all this within 16-18 months? while the current coach has won a scudetto and reached the CL sf during that time. just hilarious mental gymnastics guaranteed if de zerbi disappoints next season, they will jump to the next one.

i would take spalletti immediately if the possibility exists. unfortunately he has disqualified himself with that unserious scudetto tattoo

if management really want to make the next step, maybe they should start demonstrating these ambitions on the transfer market as well?

 

[punisher]

i'm not against upgrading pioli at all! idk why some people here seem to deliberately not want to understand this (mostly pioli's former #1 fan club + @sheva and @Qaas)

whoever seriously thinks that this management would fire pioli after this season and pay the release clause for another coach is either delusional or has not been following the club for the last few years. all this crying for a new coach is pointless, it won't happen.

it's like our RW position. instead of paying 2m loan fee + 5m for 31yo messias, they could have gambled on a young player with that money. they opted for the player who gives them somewhat guarantees. now, every time a possible reinforcement that costs more than 15-20m is mentioned here, you immediately hear that he doesn't outperform messias and therefore can't be an option.

the same reasoning can be applied to pioli:
reached a CL sf and can still finish 2nd place in the league. he is still overachieving with this squad, whether you want to accept it or not.
the next shiny thing in brighton for whom the former #1 pioli fan club is recently twerking, isn't outperforming pioli results wise right?
then why do people here seriously think this is a real possibility? or that a foreign coach like nagelsmann could be brought in. when was the last time that happened? it's like some want to be delusional on purpose.

not too long ago pioli's 'chaos' was the hottest shit (he was literally on fire), when italiano 'exposed' him he was promoted as the next successor, now that he's struggling at fiorentina nobody cares about him anymore, as the next hype job is located in england (after not even a full season). and all this within 16-18 months? while the current coach has won a scudetto and reached the CL sf during that time. just hilarious mental gymnastics guaranteed if de zerbi disappoints next season, they will jump to the next one.

i would take spalletti immediately if the possibility exists. unfortunately he has disqualified himself with that unserious scudetto tattoo

if management really want to make the next step, maybe they should start demonstrating these ambitions on the transfer market as well?

Too long

 

[Neruda2.0]

Ah yes. Jorgingo cause pos dint want to pay 20 mil.
Allan. Nainggolan yes

Pastore for years. Years. Fucking years.
Felipe melo we had a chance to get him too.

Allan was like 15 mins so was radja. Instead we splashed 20 m on bertolacci

It was like galliani forgot how to build a team. Or really it was always Braida

 

[Cloren]

Yea nha. We should have won atleast 3 in that period.

Plus 2 or 3 more scudetti.

Jube and inter cheating dint help obviously.

No way was inter stronger than us in 2002-2003.
Neither were jube.
Squad wise. Team wise.
It was fairly even but we had a slight edge.

Juventus had like 4 consecutive seasons above us in the league in that period and Inter had 3, and Inter in that period was spending like mad men and getting many elite players, they were spending even more than us.

We got the better of both of them the next season.

As for the 2004-05 league title win, tbh yes we should have won but when things like this happen, what can you do?



And in 2005-06, we got 88 points before Calciopoli. Hard to fault a team that couldn’t win the league with 88 points because Juve had 91.

Besides if we the titles in both seasons, it would have sadly likely been stripped since we technically also cheated and got points deducted

 

[Jivara]

I hate GOAT debates so ill try to change the subject

Who would you rather get relegated between Lecce, Spezia and Hellas Verona?

 

[Qaas]

i'm not against upgrading pioli at all! idk why some people here seem to deliberately not want to understand this (mostly pioli's former #1 fan club + @sheva and @Qaas )

whoever seriously thinks that this management would fire pioli after this season and pay the release clause for another coach is either delusional or has not been following the club for the last few years. all this crying for a new coach is pointless, it won't happen.

it's like our RW position. instead of paying 2m loan fee + 5m for 31yo messias, they could have gambled on a young player with that money. they opted for the player who gives them somewhat guarantees. now, every time a possible reinforcement that costs more than 15-20m is mentioned here, you immediately hear that he doesn't outperform messias and therefore can't be an option.

the same reasoning can be applied to pioli:
reached a CL sf and can still finish 2nd place in the league. he is still overachieving with this squad, whether you want to accept it or not.
the next shiny thing in brighton for whom the former #1 pioli fan club is recently twerking, isn't outperforming pioli results wise right?
then why do people here seriously think this is a real possibility? or that a foreign coach like nagelsmann could be brought in. when was the last time that happened? it's like some want to be delusional on purpose.

not too long ago pioli's 'chaos' was the hottest shit (he was literally on fire), when italiano 'exposed' him he was promoted as the next successor, now that he's struggling at fiorentina nobody cares about him anymore, as the next hype job is located in england (after not even a full season). and all this within 16-18 months? while the current coach has won a scudetto and reached the CL sf during that time. just hilarious mental gymnastics guaranteed if de zerbi disappoints next season, they will jump to the next one.

i would take spalletti immediately if the possibility exists. unfortunately he has disqualified himself with that unserious scudetto tattoo

if management really want to make the next step, maybe they should start demonstrating these ambitions on the transfer market as well?

Samaldino?

 

[Master Smurf]

Mind you no one said this

I think some did .... but not from our faction

 

[Omer]

Only manager to win 4 CLs - Check

Only manager to win all top 5 leagues - Check

Manager with most champions league wins - Check

Coach in the season Parma achieved their highest position in the league - Check

Ending Milan’s mini banter era in Europe for 6 years by winning the CL in his first full season - Check

Winning a CL the season after their best striker was sold off to Chelsea and didn’t get an appropriate replacement with the oldest squad ever - Check

Ending Sir Alex’s United 3 peat dominance and preventing them from winning 4 PL titles in a row - Check

Ending PSG league title drought since Stone Age - Check

Ended Real Madrid CL drought after 12 years in his first season there and win La Décima - Check

One of the only 4 Madrid managers to win CL and La Liga in one season - Check

Only Madrid manager to win all 6 possible trophies - Check

Only manager at Everton to win at Anfield since 1999 - Check

He really might be the GOAT indeed

The 4 CL wins is great. The other points of yours seem to be really specific, made up stats that are super situation specific ( "Only manager at Everton to win at Anfield since 1999" ). They aren't global stats that you can compare across managers.

I guess if you have a super squad and you want to win the CL, then maybe Carlo is your guy. If you don't have a super amazing squad or you want to try and win the league, then Carlo probably isn't the right guy.

 

[Cloren]

My bad. Thought you meant CL trophy wins and not games won. Apologies

I edited and put match wins for clarifications