The Rumour Commode XLI: Ragnarok

[Wild]

Vranckx did not get a chance. Vranckx got 325 minutes the entire season.

For comparisons sake, Dest got 625.

Did he impress you ?
I didnt see nothing special.

 

[Dokoa]

20m for bench player always too much

I like RLC he is really good player. I don’t care if he’s bench player in Chelsea. As long as he plays as a starter for us that’s what counts.

 

[Kuroha]

I would probably change RLC for a tall physical DM bit that would be a very good team

Openda
Leao - SMS - Chukwueze
Tonali - Ugarte
Theo - Tomori - Thiaw - Pavard
Maignan

There

(My dream too, but Ugarte's link seems like a bit faded)

 

[R.Akbar]

He wasn't even awake when we won

You sure that wasn’t Nesta?

 

[Samaldinho]

Did he impress you ?
I didnt see nothing special.

I really enjoyed when he won us the game against Fiorentina. Or his debut when his tenacity and energy helped us close out a win when we had 10 men. At 19 at the time, those were some impressive displays.

I generally want to see more than 320 random, disjointed minutes to judge a 19 year old player.

 

[bullard]

RLC really seems like a fodder to me. A Bakayoko-Origi-Bertolacci level signing. I feel like if we sign him, than by November-December, we will really regret it, and wishing him to leave. I remember how last summer the Dest signing was welcomed by almost everybody here. 2 games were enough to completely turn the perception of him from positive to negative. Just because we badly need a DM, we should be more careful with being content to splash 15-20m euro for Chelsea's 18th best player. He has like worst stats than Krunic in every area except for dribbling.

For this rumoured 15-20m budget, I would much rather spend it on a profile like Hjulmand or Nicolas Dominguez.

Krunic: 3,2 tackles+interceptions/90
Dominguez: 3,9 tackles+interceptions/90
Hjulmand: 4,9 (!) tackles+interceptions/90
RLC: 2,2 tackles+interceptions/90

I can understand searching for players from abroad, since our explotation of the growth degree kept our squad cost as low as possible, and provided us great market opportunities. However, I think it is an error on Maldini's behalf to only concentrate on foreign league players. We saw it last season that it is not easy for players to accomodate to serie a.

 

[Tantalis]

The only place I've seen rate cheeks highly is some here on rnb.

 

[papaberlu]

The only place I've seen rate cheeks highly is some here on rnb.

What about when he dominated Tonali and Bennacer across two legs

Did you not rate that

 

[Wild]

RLC really seems like a fodder to me. A Bakayoko-Origi-Bertolacci level signing. I feel like if we sign him, than by November-December, we will really regret it, and wishing him to leave. I remember how last summer the Dest signing was welcomed by almost everybody here. 2 games were enough to completely turn the perception of him from positive to negative. Just because we badly need a DM, we should be more careful with being content to splash 15-20m euro for Chelsea's 18th best player. He has like worst stats than Krunic in every area except for dribbling.

For this rumoured 15-20m budget, I would much rather spend it on a profile like Hjulmand or Nicolas Dominguez.

Krunic: 3,2 tackles+interceptions/90
Dominguez: 3,9 tackles+interceptions/90
Hjulmand: 4,9 (!) tackles+interceptions/90
RLC: 2,2 tackles+interceptions/90

I can understand searching for players from abroad, since our explotation of the growth degree kept our squad cost as low as possible, and provided us great market opportunities. However, I think it is an error on Maldini's behalf to only concentrate on foreign league players. We saw it last season that it is not easy for players to accomodate to serie a.

LC isnt a DM.
And i agree , after Kamada i would rather us getting a DM.
However , LC is a Tona with much more physicality.
If Kru complemented Tona & Ben then LC is a big upgrade.
For 15mil he should be a decent gamble.

 

[Tantalis]

What about when he dominated Tonali and Bennacer across two legs

Did you not rate that

What did he do the rest of the season?

 

[bullard]

What about when he dominated Tonali and Bennacer across two legs

Did you not rate that

Renato Sanches also dominated our midfield back in the day. Pobega dominated Kessie in our scudetto year. I remember a coppa itallia game against juve where Conti made CR look more like Cerci. I think judging players by 1-2 matches can be quite misleading.

 

[R.Akbar]

look at the guy
He’s soo genuine
hope he plays 90min vs Verona

 

[pippofan]

This.

The goalposts keep changing. Elliot was going to run us like Udinese, develop players and sell them. Then (once we made CL) we had overachieved but would NEVER win any meaningful trophies. Then (after we won scudetto) clearly winning in Serie A was meaningless, look at how crappy we did in CL. Now (CL semifinal and Serie A teams in all three finals) there will be something else to belittle our achievements.

Are we improving as fast as I would like? Of course not. But some of the negativity and meltdowns are not justified.

If someone told me that under Pioli we would make the CL 3 years in a row, finish second in Serie A, win the scudetto a year later and reach Cl semifinals after that, I would have said they were crazy, no way that is possible.
We act like spoiled children who having achieved a measure of success are no longer satisfied and want more and faster to the point of clamoring to fire the very architect of our rebirth. Like someone said, the grass is always greener on the other side.

 

[Master Smurf]

what the actual fuck

Is he working for Samu Castillejo??

Samu let his Lieutenant fall

King stay the king

 

[Papa_midnight]

Rubben loftus cheek

 

[Qaas]

Europa league

made his team secure a cl spot for next season.. while having a better season than slowpoke sule

 

[Master Smurf]

I am all for RLC and even giving Vranckx another year but would prefer a starter level DM came with them than hoping one of them sort out our issues...maybe.

I was always skeptical of RLC because he wasn't playing in the middle but remain open to see how we use him.

 

[papaberlu]

Renato Sanches also dominated our midfield back in the day. Pobega dominated Kessie in our scudetto year. I remember a coppa itallia game against juve where Conti made CR look more like Cerci. I think judging players by 1-2 matches can be quite misleading.

Good thing I'm not the one making decisions

I've seen him 3x, twice vs Milan and once vs City

All 3 times pretty impressive

 

[bullard]

LC isnt a DM.
And i agree , after Kamada i would rather us getting a DM.
However , LC is a Tona with much more physicality.
If Kru complemented Tona & Ben then LC is a big upgrade.
For 15mil he should be a decent gamble.

It seems 100% that we will continue with Pioli, meaning we will continue to play 4-2-3-1. Maldini should learn from the CDK mistake, and recruit players that fit in to Pioli's system. The thing is that RLC has such a horrible defensive stat that he cannot be played as a DM. Pobega, Tonali, they are on 3,2 t+i/90min, Bennacer stands out with 3,8/90. The contrast is huge. Even Kamada, a CAM has much better tackling and interception stat. If we had a 150mil mercato, than as a sub, he might be worth a gamble, but on a tight budget, RLC is an absolute no from me. Bigger waste of money than buying Brahim.

 

[Alo88]

I like this. That pass at 2:36 is insane.

 

[R.Akbar]

70/6= 11.14 each

 

[Wild]

It seems 100% that we will continue with Pioli, meaning we will continue to play 4-2-3-1. Maldini should learn from the CDK mistake, and recruit players that fit in to Pioli's system. The thing is that RLC has such a horrible defensive stat that he cannot be played as a DM. Pobega, Tonali, they are on 3,2 t+i/90min, Bennacer stands out with 3,8/90. The contrast is huge. Even Kamada, a CAM has much better tackling and interception stat. If we had a 150mil mercato, than as a sub, he might be worth a gamble, but on a tight budget, RLC is an absolute no from me. Bigger waste of money than buying Brahim.

We are getting many midfielders which mean we are gonna go 433 & CL is a good box to box.
He is good in dribbling & passing & one of our biggest issue for years is ball progressing & build up & he will shine in that area.

 

[bullard]

We are getting many midfielders which mean we are gonna go 433 & CL is a good box to box.
He is good in dribbling & passing & one of our biggest issue for years is ball progressing & build up & he will shine in that area.

Why do you think we will switch to 4-3-3?

Even this year a 4-3-3 would have suited us better, but knowing Pioli we will stay with 4-2-3-1 regardless of how the squad will look like. In 4-3-3, as a box-to-box, he does have some value because of his good technique and dribbling skills, but currently he is just not the profile we need.

 

[rossonero1]

 

[ROSSONERI7]

Thiaw playing good is enough reason to consider his integration as a success regardless of how it happened.
Pioli could have played Kalu or even Gabbia.

Vran on the other hand was given chances & didnt impress.

Adli is the only player that is a mystery to me.

I said 90% agree the new players’ integration was totally fucked up.
You think I considered you in that %?

Of course to you it was all well done.
Including starting all players who have not played together. Some had not played a single substitute minutes in about 3 months. Namely Vranckx. His first first league start for Milan comes after sitting on the bench for 11 games straight (0 minutes).
But he should impress? You’ve played before?

Vranckx “blew” his chances…all 235 serie A minutes of it. 2 starts and debris of games here and there … (add a coppa start, and we get a whopping 325)

I remember you and I being really high on Adli in the summer. You really like the player so it’s “mystery to you” … if it wasn’t a player you particularly liked, then it would have been justified to you … “He’s not playing because he’s not good enough to play”…na?

 

[Wild]

Why do you think we will switch to 4-3-3?

Even this year a 4-3-3 would have suited us better, but knowing Pioli we will stay with 4-2-3-1 regardless of how the squad will look like. In 4-3-3, as a box-to-box, he does have some value because of his good technique and dribbling skills, but currently he is just not the profile we need.

Because we are buying more midfielders.
LC work box to box in a 433 , he isn't a pivot neither an AM so buying him & for 4231 doesn't make sense.

 

[Wild]

I said 90% agree the new players’ integration was totally fucked up.
You think I considered you in that %?

Of course to you it was all well done.
Including starting all players who have not played together. Some had not played a single substitute minutes in about 3 months. Namely Vranckx. His first first league start for Milan comes after sitting on the bench for 11 games straight (0 minutes).
But he should impress? You’ve played before?

Vranckx “blew” his chances…all 235 serie A minutes of it. 2 starts and debris of games here and there … (add a coppa start, and we get a whopping 325)

I remember you and I being really high on Adli in the summer. You really like the player so it’s “mystery to you” … if it wasn’t a player you particularly liked, then it would have been justified to you … “He’s not playing because he’s not good enough to play”…na?

Adli played much less & still impressed, Vran didn't.
So obviously I never said all well done because Adli deserved much more.

 

[Ash-ish]

Renato Sanches also dominated our midfield back in the day. Pobega dominated Kessie in our scudetto year. I remember a coppa itallia game against juve where Conti made CR look more like Cerci. I think judging players by 1-2 matches can be quite misleading.

Yeah dominating Tomori-Bennacer-Pierre isn’t that impressive. Anybody can do it

 

[Wild]

SES & Thuram for free.
And bring an alite RW ffs.

 

[Kuroha]

Turned out Pioli's words is true,

"Adli is moving too much"

(Ed : he's everywhere)