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It's becoming more and more clear with each interview and rumour (I'm sure some are credible mixed in there) that literally the whole management was conspiring against Paolo. Even if they wanted to change directions, this whole thing stinks and is in terrible taste. These guys are so far away mentally from what makes this club special. Hopefully they fuck off before irreparable damage is done to the soul of this club. Somehow this feels worse than fasobelli even though I know the club will be just fine on the pitch compared to them.
We de facto finished 5th this season playing horrible football, we’re sticking with our clueless manager and we won’t be making any huge signings. There’s absolutely no guarantees that we’ll be just fine on the pitch.
 
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We de facto finished 5th this season playing horrible football, we’re sticking with our clueless manager and we won’t be making any huge signings. There’s absolutely no guarantees that we’ll be just fine on the pitch.
So Maldini wasn’t one of the reasons we finished 5th and it’s only Pioli’s fault. I find that hard to argue. Maldini had a part to play, and if you believe Pioli is the cause and so is Maldini and by your logic management got rid of part of the problem.

I was very upset about what happen, but this type of thinking is illogical.
 
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So looks like we were late for N'Dicka but we still have 1% chance of signing him, we are also looking at Okafor
 

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May I ask the business experts of RnB once again, how would would make profit on a 1B+ investment by selling all its best assets, and becoming a feeder club with little/no ambition to win?

Do you understand how big 1B actually is? Do you understand this is the first year in maybe EVER we've operated at a profit, and the profit was miniscule even with ALL that success.

So please, enlighten us all with the knowledge bestowed upon you from Tate's Hustlers University
 
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Yes the long tatics that got us a scudetto after 11 season....you're a spoilt ingrate
This point which people often make is so tiresome. Why would it matter if those tactics worked a year ago when it hasn’t worked since?

Leicester won the PL playing Vardy in behind on the break. They got found out and were almost relegated the following season.

In today’s football there are absolutely no teams who consistently win league titles playing long balls, counterattacking football. If you want to consistently win league titles you have to implement tactics that allow you to win playing possession based football.
 
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So Maldini wasn’t one of the reasons we finished 5th and it’s only Pioli’s fault. I find that hard to argue. Maldini had a part to play, and if you believe Pioli is the cause and so is Maldini and by your logic management got rid of part of the problem.

I was very upset about what happen, but this type of thinking is illogical.
I’m not trying to acquit Maldini. I didn’t even mention him in my post. He definitely carries some of the blame.

RedBird is the issue here.
Renewing Pioli last fall, keeping him now while firing Maldini tells you everything you need to know about their ambitions with this club which are; to improve AC Milan in every other aspect than on the pitch.
 
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This point which people often make is so tiresome. Why would it matter if those tactics worked a year ago when it hasn’t worked since?

Leicester won the PL playing Vardy in behind on the break. They got found out and were almost relegated the following season.

In today’s football there are absolutely no teams who consistently win league titles playing long balls, counterattacking football. If you want to consistently win league titles you have to implement tactics that allow you to win playing possession based football.
We don’t play on the counter though. We sometimes play it long to Giroud when we’re out of idea but our main strategy is a high press.
 
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So what did we learn from the Scaroni interview:

They really hate Maldini. The subtle digs throughout the interview, the cold press release for him and Massara, it's really bitchy and not something I was expecting from AC Milan, especially towards one of its greatest legends. What the fuck happened in that meeting?

Maldini didn’t want to sell, he wanted to build a perfect team.
Paolo is an eternal capitano, hard working and not a pussy. Gerry is an asshole money grabber. Two types that would be awesome to have, great things could happen if they can cooperate. But those two big egos clashed, because they are not compatible, instead of finding a common ground. As a result one has to leave.

It’s normal in companies that these things happen.
 
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I like btw that Scaroni is very open and concrete about the reasons of letting go Paolo. I disagree with them but appreciate the clarity.
 
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So looks like we were late for N'Dicka but we still have 1% chance of signing him, we are also looking at Okafor
Bullshit news.
Moncada will have a list from all over the world ready in his pockets.
Striker is also more important.
 
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Oh just stop it already.

Only in this stupid forum you’ll see genuine disrespect to players who contributed to Milan in their time like Suso/Bona/Romagnoli and hype/worship a kid who made 1 G/A and pretty much played a big part in getting our icon/legend fired by being a complete flop or hyping Adli who has barely seen minutes.

If we had Bonaventura in AM instead of Diaz/CDK, our team would have been comfortably better, easily. It’s not even up for debate.

Stop being ungrateful for once.
No way you managed to list and suck off the 3 players I dislike the most from the last 15 years.

Respect
 
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We don’t play in the counter though. We sometimes play it long to Giroud when we’re out of idea but our main strategy is a high press.
Leicester was just a reference and maybe a bad one. I know how we play and the point still stands. You don’t have to play tiki taka against every opponent. Sometimes it’s clever to mix it up, but playing heavy metal football against every opponent, the minnows included, is simply leaving the opponent with too much control over the game.
 
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This would be a strong attack:

——-—-Openda
Leao—Kamada—CDK
———-DM-Tonali
Theo-Tomori-Thiaw-RB
——-——— 🦅

Need upgrades at DM (Kessie replacement) and RB to contribute to the attack against bunkered teams especially. Of course, if we can find a good RW solution I’m all for it.

Sell Rebic, Origi, Messias.
Gazzetta said Charles will be sold if an offer for 28m comes and I'm inclined to believe it. It's been made apparent now Maldini didn't work with Pioli on transfers at least last season and Pioli very clearly doesn't like Charles. He's a goner and it'll be best for both parties

Openda is out of range sadly. Lens wants 40-50m for him and that just won't happen
 
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Damn, if true





If he's given a piece of Miami real estate next to the airport and connected to the high speed rail link that will blow the Saudi money out of the water.
 
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Full Scaroni Interview

Presidente, da dove cominciamo?

«Dal fatto che tutti noi, e particolarmente io, abbiamo sempre avuto rapporti eccellenti con Paolo Maldini, che è un gentiluomo, una persona attaccata al Milan e che al Milan ha fatto bene. Noi però seguiamo un modello un po’ innovativo, almeno per l’Italia, di gestione del club che ci porta a considerare tutte le nostre attività come collegiali: si lavora in team

I comitati istituiti in ogni settore.

«È un modello organizzativo che sta molto a cuore al nostro azionista che, ricordiamolo, è uno specialista di sport che vanta successi nelle sue attività, quindi quando ci suggerisce qualcosa noi prestiamo grande attenzione, perché pensiamo porti innovazioni».

E in questo modello Maldini non poteva proprio stare?

«In questa organizzazione abbiamo avuto l’impressione che Paolo si sentisse a disagio, e quando si è a disagio è meglio separarsi. Le faccio un esempio che riguarda me stesso».

Prego.

«Io mi sono molto dedicato al tema stadio, tanto che c’era chi mi chiamava “Stadioni” e non Scaroni. Vero, ma l’ho fatto soprattutto negli anni di Elliott. Quando è arrivato RedBird che ha esperti che hanno costruito stadi in tutto il mondo, a me è venuto naturale mettermi nel team e perdere quel ruolo autonomo. È un po’ quello che doveva succedere per l’area tecnica».

Un nuovo metodo, per arrivare dove? Quest’anno il Milan ha conquistato una semifinale di Champions, fare meglio non sarà facile.

«RedBird e tutti noi vogliamo che il Milan continui questa crescita. Non dimentico che ho iniziato a fare il presidente in un momento drammatico. Si ricorderà che dicevo sempre che avevamo due montagne da scalare, il risanamento dei conti e i risultati sportivi. Ora non siamo in cima, ma un bel pezzo di strada lo abbiamo fatto, anzi direi che in Italia siamo tra quelli che ne hanno fatta di più. Vogliamo continuare a scalare, sempre avendo in mente che più ricavi portano più investimenti per l’area sport e più successi sportivi portano più ricavi: un circolo virtuoso da mettere in moto».

I tifosi si chiedono quanto impegno ci sarà sul mercato: il famoso budget.

«Intanto ricordo che in quattro anni abbiamo investito più degli altri (200 milioni), qualcuno dirà non sempre bene, ma i nostri azionisti ci hanno consentito di fare una squadra forte e continueremo insieme su questa strada. Credo che dovremo fare qualche cessione, e concludere qualche acquisto importante: siamo ambiziosi».

Mercato gestito da chi?

«Sarà nella mani di un team che integra con competenze diverse, con l’ad Giorgio Furlani che ha anche l’area sportiva da coordinare, insieme a professionisti come Moncada e Pioli ci aspettiamo che dica la sua in queste scelte. Oltre agli esperti internazionali di RedBird».

Gli esperti dei dati: conosce l’obiezione, che vanno bene per gli sport americani, non per il calcio.

«Redbird crede nell'analizzare le caratteristiche dei giocatori in modo scientifico, certo, una cosa che in Premier League si fa da anni: sono riusciti ad adattare modelli nati per altri sport al calcio. Noi dobbiamo coniugare le competenze individuali, l’intuito personale nello scoprire i talenti e nel saperli inserire nel nostro ambiente con questi riscontri quantitativi. Vogliamo mettere assieme il meglio del nostro passato con il meglio del futuro che ci porta RedBird. Il passato me lo tengo stretto, ma perché dovremmo rinunciare alle competenze e alle innovazioni? Poi parleranno i risultati, conta vincere le partite, a me perdere non è mai piaciuto e tantomeno a Gerry Cardinale».

Ma se l’identificazione degli obiettivi è frutto di un percorso collegiale, nel momento delle trattative Maldini metteva in campo il peso della sua figura.

«Vero, verissimo e gli sono molto grato. Devo dire che oggi, e non suoni irriconoscente, ne abbiamo meno bisogno: il Milan uscito dalla gestione di Yonghong Li faceva fatica ad attirare talenti, il Milan di oggi, che ha vinto lo scudetto ed è arrivato in semifinale di Champions, penso che sia più attrattivo».

Non sono previsti nuovi ingressi, dunque.

«Al momento no».

Neanche Ibra?

«Ho l’impressione che si voglia dare un periodo sabbatico. Poi resta un amico, una persona a cui dobbiamo molto, perché nei momenti più difficili ci ha consentito di svoltare. Se gli venissero delle idee saremo i primi ad ascoltarle».

Alcuni calciatori hanno postato messaggi di vicinanza a Maldini: pensa che la squadra sia preoccupata?

«Che si mostrino addolorati mi sembra naturale. D’altra parte sono professionisti abituati al cambiamento, capiranno che questo è fatto con l’idea di fare meglio. Glielo spiegheremo. Poi rimarranno legati a Maldini, come giusto».

Dicevamo di Pioli: la sua figura esce rafforzata, eppure c’è stato un momento, dopo Spezia, in cui Maldini voleva esonerarlo (e tra i nomi aveva pensato anche a Pirlo).

«Sull’idea dell’esonero non voglio esprimermi, però sì assolutamente, Pioli è centrale nel progetto».

Capitolo stadio: l’area di San Donato è diventata quella più appetibile?

«Faccio un riassunto. L’area dell’ippodromo La Maura ci piaceva molto, e piaceva al sindaco, ma è di difficilissima praticabilità. Sull’abbattimento del Meazza è pendente il vincolo che potrebbe scattare nel 2025: senza certezze, questo progetto è in sonno, né il sindaco consente due stadi uno vicino all’altro. L’area di Sesto ha il problema della bonifica, al momento stiamo sviluppando ipotesi sulla zona di San Donato per tenerla pronta in caso San Siro tramonti».
You know I've been waiting for someone to put a microphone in front of this dinosaur so we can truly see what happened

Guy can't help himself but spill the beans

This pretty much confirms the stuff coming out as of late
 
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This point which people often make is so tiresome. Why would it matter if those tactics worked a year ago when it hasn’t worked since?

Leicester won the PL playing Vardy in behind on the break. They got found out and were almost relegated the following season.

In today’s football there are absolutely no teams who consistently win league titles playing long balls, counterattacking football. If you want to consistently win league titles you have to implement tactics that allow you to win playing possession based football.
So where do you get the long ball tactics cause we don't even play it.... you're making it sound like we were playing mourinho's tactic when he played all long ball to drogba.I read somewhere that we created the most wasted opportunities this season...that does not suit a team that play longball tactics, does it?. We play pressing football, everyone knows that. What I don't get is why you guys always want to move the goalpost just to take a swipe at Pioli. Imagine if the wasted opportunities where pounced on by more useful than Saelemaekers,Messias,Origi et al...
 

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I tifosi si chiedono quanto impegno ci sarà sul mercato: il famoso budget.

«Intanto ricordo che in quattro anni abbiamo investito più degli altri (200 milioni), qualcuno dirà non sempre bene, ma i nostri azionisti ci hanno consentito di fare una squadra forte e continueremo insieme su questa strada. Credo che dovremo fare qualche cessione, e concludere qualche acquisto importante: siamo ambiziosi».

hahah so you can expect mike or leao gone,nest case scenatio would be selling tomori and getting ndicka.

How many times did fans here throw Maldini under the bus for not having sold Kessie, Hakan or Donnarumma "in time" to fund a better mercato?

Whoever will be sold will be sold at an adequate price tag. He didn't only say "we'll have to sell sometimes" after all, did he, he said "we have to do some important signins, we're ambitous" too. He did also say the goal is still to improve, to raise revenues to get better players to get better sporting results to raise revenues to.... well, basically to keep the virtuous cycle spinning.

Why highlighting only the negative aspects of the interview you didn't like and completely black out the postivie spins?
 
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The only solution is for rnb to submit a bid to buy Milan. We need to get the funds together.
 
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Yes the long tatics that got us a scudetto after 11 season....you're a spoilt ingrate

You’re telling me u enjoyed watching last years bs dumbass
 
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I tifosi si chiedono quanto impegno ci sarà sul mercato: il famoso budget.

«Intanto ricordo che in quattro anni abbiamo investito più degli altri (200 milioni), qualcuno dirà non sempre bene, ma i nostri azionisti ci hanno consentito di fare una squadra forte e continueremo insieme su questa strada. Credo che dovremo fare qualche cessione, e concludere qualche acquisto importante: siamo ambiziosi».

hahah so you can expect mike or leao gone,nest case scenatio would be selling tomori and getting ndicka.
Isn't signing Ndicka and selling Tomori to upgrade the squad something you suggested?

There are only 2-3 truly unsellable players in this team, everyone else is fair game. Every club does this

Even City sold Jesus and Sterling and used that money to strengthen the squad and find gems like Julian Alvarez, it's normal. Without moves like this you can't upgrade the team unless you are an oil club or truly elite
 
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So where do you get the long ball tactics cause we don't even play it.... you're making it sound like we were playing mourinho's tactic when he played all long ball to drogba.I read somewhere that we created the most wasted opportunities this season...that does not suit a team that play longball tactics, does it?. We play pressing football, everyone knows that. What I don't get is why you guys always want to move the goalpost just to take a swipe at Pioli. Imagine if the wasted opportunities where pounced on by more useful than Saelemaekers,Messias,Origi et al...
Claiming we don’t play long balls means you’re either delusional or you don’t watch our games.
I’m not moving any goal posts I’m saying everyone’s to blame including Pioli who has overstayed his welcome afaic.
 
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You know I've been waiting for someone to put a microphone in front of this dinosaur so we can truly see what happened

Guy can't help himself but spill the beans

This pretty much confirms the stuff coming out as of late

It might sound unfair but I think it's also this way he looks. He could tell you "we're going to build the best team football world has ever seen" and only by the look of his face you'd find a way to give that a negative spin because everything about that man just makes you hate every single word coming out of his mouth :lol:
 
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The only solution is for rnb to submit a bid to buy Milan. We need to get the funds together.
I’m sure we have 6 candidates here who would do a better job then Capitano Calabria
 
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May I ask the business experts of RnB once again, how would would make profit on a 1B+ investment by selling all its best assets, and becoming a feeder club with little/no ambition to win?

Do you understand how big 1B actually is? Do you understand this is the first year in maybe EVER we've operated at a profit, and the profit was miniscule even with ALL that success.

So please, enlighten us all with the knowledge bestowed upon you from Tate's Hustlers University
again ypu telling just one side off story but let me tell other.
selling leao and getting sasoulo kid Laurienté same age as leao and very good player that we could get for 20 mil and again could sell him for profit.
Sell mike get that kid from valencia great prospect.
So he would sell leao 150 and 80 mike which makes 230 mil,get Laurienté for 20-30 and Mamardashvili for 20 mil that makes it 50 mil and let them develop plus he get 180 mil cash.

 

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President, where do we start?

«From the fact that all of us, and I in particular, have always had excellent relations with Paolo Maldini, who is a gentleman, a person attached to Milan and who has done well for Milan. However, we follow a somewhat innovative model, at least for Italy, of club management which leads us to consider all our activities as collegiate: we work in teams

The committees set up in each sector.

"It is an organizational model that is very dear to our shareholder who, let us remember, is a sports specialist who boasts successes in his activities, so when he suggests something to us we pay great attention, because we think it brings innovations".

And couldn't Maldini really fit into this model?

«In this organization we had the impression that Paolo felt uncomfortable, and when one is uncomfortable it is better to separate. I'll give you an example that concerns myself.'

Please.

«I devoted myself a lot to the stadium theme, so much so that there were those who called me “Stadioni” and not Scaroni. True, but I mostly did it during the Elliott years. When RedBird arrived, which has experts who have built stadiums all over the world, it came natural for me to join the team and lose that independent role. It's a bit like what should have happened for the technical area».

A new method, to get where? This year Milan won a Champions League semi-final, it won't be easy to do better.

«RedBird and we all want Milan to continue this growth. I don't forget that I started being president at a dramatic moment. You will remember that I always said that we had two mountains to climb, the recovery of the accounts and the sporting results. Now we're not at the top, but we've come a long way, indeed I would say that in Italy we are among those who have done the most. We want to continue to climb, always keeping in mind that more revenues lead to more investments for the sports area and more sporting successes lead to more revenues: a virtuous circle to be set in motion".

The fans are wondering how much commitment there will be on the market: the famous budget.

«In the meantime, let me remind you that in four years we have invested more than the others (200 million), some will say not always well, but our shareholders have allowed us to form a strong team and we will continue together on this path. I think we will have to make some sales, and conclude some important acquisitions: we are ambitious».

Market managed by whom?

«It will be in the hands of a team that integrates with different skills, with CEO Giorgio Furlani who also has the sports area to coordinate, together with professionals such as Moncada and Pioli, we expect him to have his say in these choices. In addition to the international experts of RedBird ».

The Data Experts: You know the objection, that they're good for American sports, not soccer.

«Redbird believes in analyzing the characteristics of the players in a scientific way, of course, something that has been done in the Premier League for years: they have managed to adapt models born for other sports to football. We must combine individual skills, personal intuition in discovering talents and knowing how to insert them into our environment with these quantitative feedbacks. We want to combine the best of our past with the best of the future that RedBird brings us. I hold on to the past, but why should we give up skills and innovations? Then the results will speak, it's important to win matches, I've never liked losing and even less so Gerry Cardinale».

But if the identification of the objectives is the result of a collegial process, in the moment of the negotiations Maldini brought into play the weight of his figure.

“True, very true and I am very grateful to him. I have to say that today, and it doesn't sound ungrateful, we need it less: Milan having come out of the management of Yonghong Li was struggling to attract talent, today's Milan, which won the Scudetto and reached the semifinals of the Champions League, I think it is more attractive".

No new entries are expected, therefore.

"Not at the moment".

Not even Ibra?

«I have the impression that they want to take a sabbatical period. Then he remains a friend, a person to whom we owe a lot, because in the most difficult moments he has allowed us to make a breakthrough. If he comes up with ideas, we'll be the first to listen to them."

Some players have posted messages of closeness to Maldini: do you think the team is worried?

“That they show grief seems natural to me. On the other hand they are professionals used to change, they will understand that this is done with the idea of doing better. We will explain it to you. Then they will remain linked to Maldini, as is right».

We were talking about Pioli: his figure comes out strengthened, yet there was a moment, after Spezia, in which Maldini wanted to exempt him (and among the names he had also thought of Pirlo).

"I don't want to express myself on the idea of the exemption, but yes absolutely, Pioli is central to the project".

Stadium chapter: has the San Donato area become the most attractive?

"I'll make a summary. We liked the La Maura racecourse area a lot, and the mayor liked it, but it's very difficult to use. The restriction that could come into effect in 2025 is pending on the demolition of the Meazza: without certainties, this project is dormant, nor does the mayor allow two stadiums next to each other. The Sesto area has the problem of reclamation, at the moment we are developing hypotheses on the San Donato area to keep it ready in case the San Siro goes down».
 
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