Empoli vs. AC Milan - Saturday, February 8th, 2025 - 18:00 (CET) - Serie A Round 24

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forward said:
Tomori was going for the ball but narrowly missed.
You can see it on the replays.

Doesn't justify his mistake.
But pretty sure it was an offside anyway.
Pretty funny shit that they didn't even show the replay of the offside moment. :lol:
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It's been confirmed now that it was an offside. But apparently VAR couldn't intervene since no goal/pk/straight red was given. So we got fuked, because the assistant missed it. It looked a clear offside and I was so sure that the flag was going to come up eventually. Thought the assistant just kept it down to allow for the play to develop, as they usually do these days. But seems like he jist completely missed it.

It sucks that VAR rules are like this. Makes no sense. Goal, pk, red, yellow, etc....what does it matter. When one team is SEVERELY damaged with a second yellow card, then use VAR. It doesn't take long at all to just signal to the ref that it was offside. And play on. Simple as that. VAR is supposed be a tool to help the referees. To make things equitable and to ensure that teams don't get severely damaged by incorrect calls. I get it can't be used for throw-ins and corners and common fouls, etc. But for something like this? It's ridiculous!
 
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I am not even mad at Tomori, he didn't deserve the red, it was a good defending from our backline, as Colombo was offside. The Tammy challenge was a clear penalty, the Empoli defender kicked him from the back, not even touching the ball, clear as day. That tackle against Walker is a straight red.

We played terribly in the first half, make no mistake about it. And I don't like to complain about refs, but today it was a disgrace. Every 50-50 was against us. Empoli played an ugly, disgusting game, constantly kicking and fouling our players, and the ref just let them get away with it. It is absolutely pathetic that Joao Felix got a yellow card for acting, but the Empoli players got away with ruthless tackle after ruthless tackle.

It was a really frustrating game, a hard-fought, but well deserved victory. Now I am rooting for an Empoli relegation, they can try this butcher style in Serie B.

For the first half, I blame Conceicao. We started with a way too defensive setup, gave too much respect for fucking Empoli. 2nd half the performance was better, this Leao-Felix-Gimenez-Pulisic quartet is absolutely a joy to watch. Theo once again had a great game, hopefully he can keep up his form, he is playing like his old self for the last couple of matches. Pavlovic had some technical errors, but was massive at the back. Walker was rock-solid, he is versatile, and a great defender. Outside of his red, Tomori had a great game, and that red was simply unjustice from the ref. Fofana, Jimenez, Reijnders were poor today. Musah played significantly better in the second half, I liked what I saw from him.
 
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nefremo said:
It's been confirmed now that it was an offside. But apparently VAR couldn't intervene since no goal/pk/straight red was given. So we got fuked, because the assistant missed it. It looked a clear offside and I was so sure that the flag was going to come up eventually. Thought the assistant just kept it down to allow for the play to develop, as they usually do these days. But seems like he jist completely missed it.

It sucks that VAR rules are like this. Makes no sense. Goal, pk, red, yellow, etc....what does it matter. When one team is SEVERELY damaged with a second yellow card, then use VAR. It doesn't take long at all to just signal to the ref that it was offside. And play on. Simple as that. VAR is supposed be a tool to help the referees. To make things equitable and to ensure that teams don't get severely damaged by incorrect calls. I get it can't be used for throw-ins and corners and common fouls, etc. But for something like this? It's ridiculous!
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It also makes no sense to make such a dumb challenge when already on a yellow, when you pretty much know the player is offside anyway. Tomori is a moron.
 
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I will say this also Joao Felix in the middle is EXACTLY the type of player i've been waiting to for us to get.

He draws sooooo much attention to himself in the middle and will create so much room for Rafa to operate in.

He has the ability to split and carve open smaller teams who like to park the bus against us with his dribbling, running, and passing directly through the middle of pitch.

Couple that with Leao on the left, Puli on the right and what we're seeing from Gimenez, we have the potential to be scary good.


Rafa looks motivated by the talent he's playing with.
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Shame that our defense is made up of Tomoris :o

Agreed though, Rafa looks happy about the added quality. I just hope Felix doesn't turn out to be a lazy twat who's also injured most of the time. I don't trust him one bit - he's 25 and his career is still hopes and promises.
 
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Shame that our defense is made up of Tomoris :o

Agreed though, Rafa looks happy about the added quality. I just hope Felix doesn't turn out to be a lazy twat who's also injured most of the time. I don't trust him one bit - he's 25 and his career is still hopes and promises.
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So was Pulisic's. Hopefully a similar thing happens.
 
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I am not even mad at Tomori, he didn't deserve the red, it was a good defending from our backline, as Colombo was offside.
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He didn't know this when he made the tackle. He's an idiot and I'm ashamed the backline that once consisted of the likes of Nesta, Baresi, Costacurta, Stam and Maldini is now occupied by talentless morons.
 
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nefremo said:
It's been confirmed now that it was an offside. But apparently VAR couldn't intervene since no goal/pk/straight red was given. So we got fuked, because the assistant missed it. It looked a clear offside and I was so sure that the flag was going to come up eventually. Thought the assistant just kept it down to allow for the play to develop, as they usually do these days. But seems like he jist completely missed it.

It sucks that VAR rules are like this. Makes no sense. Goal, pk, red, yellow, etc....what does it matter. When one team is SEVERELY damaged with a second yellow card, then use VAR. It doesn't take long at all to just signal to the ref that it was offside. And play on. Simple as that. VAR is supposed be a tool to help the referees. To make things equitable and to ensure that teams don't get severely damaged by incorrect calls. I get it can't be used for throw-ins and corners and common fouls, etc. But for something like this? It's ridiculous!
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In that case, you can't blame Tomori.
Maybe he went for the ball, because he knew it's offside anyway.

VAR is broken as fuck.
It was supposed to put an end to all 50/50 game moments.
But as long as the ref can bypass VAR and no one else can initiate the VAR check, we'll live in a marotta league.
 
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amanmilan said:
Issue is he always does this, tomori has the most red cards out of any defenders. He’s a liability. He always has that in his locker. It won’t change.
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Do you know how many times I've seen him run his ass off and catch an offensive player that was not his responsibility. TONZ

He makes mistakes YES but he good at tracking back and getting touches on balls that are destined for the back of the net.

He is a LARGE reason why Inter needed added time to tie the game and we almost won that game. It freakin HARD to keep a clean sheet against Inter, and the defence almost pulled it off. But nobody talks about that because the offence didn't show up but for one goal.

My point is he has his weaknesses and strengths and thing to improve upon, but I don't think he's the liability that some think he is and actually saves our ass more than he's given credit for.
 
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Agreed though, Rafa looks happy about the added quality. I just hope Felix doesn't turn out to be a lazy twat who's also injured most of the time. I don't trust him one bit - he's 25 and his career is still hopes and promises.
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I don't think Felix is a lazy twat ever in his career I think he's been played wrong. IMO he needs to play down the middle and have a free roaming role to create. Nobody on our team sees some of the passes he pulls off. Can change the game in an instant. Most of his career he's been forced out wide because yes he's quick yes he can dribble defenders yes he can do it all but his strength is his elegance and vision, not his work rate and running manically down the wings like a winger should. Just my initial perspective we'll see how things develop.

Ancelotti said it best a short while ago- these days teams do not play anymore with a traditional CAM like he loved so much. Every team just wants bombarding wingers and fast play in the midfield to the attack. I personally, for the love and admiration of the game still adore a good CAM and I think FELIX in that position will be fantastic.
 
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It goes to show how much more complicated the situation became with Tomori's tackle

Without the tackle, it would just have been an offside call.

It was 100% wrong to give him the second yellow there but why did he give them a reason (even thought was lame) to give him the card in the first place?

Marotta league refs will bite on the most ridiculous plays just to get their job done. Do not give them a reason in the first place.

The tackle was just out of passion and love for the club? Theatrical Tomori please stop these stage performances. Please.
 
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SuperPippo said:
He was flagging for the foul. Not saying I agree with him, but it's wrong to say the ref ignored an offside flag. Not what happened.
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Right

In any case, I just heard that the referees' association is discussing the possibility of using VAR for second yellow card sendings off. Though there seem to be some issue with the protocol as it would require every yellow card to be reviewed by VAR.

Or something along those lines... I wasn't paying so much attention
 
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In that case, you can't blame Tomori.
Maybe he went for the ball, because he knew it's offside anyway.
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Why go for the ball then? If "you know it's offside anyway"? Makes no sense bro. He made a mistake. It was a rash challenge and totally dumb on his part.

Someone said it during the game, and was correct. Tomori has so much pace and explosiveness, but many times doesn't use it to his benefit. It was Lorenzo fuking Colombo that he tackled. 35 meters from goal. Whyy??? He was wide as well. Just keep running at an angle and recover. Don't allow him to cut infront of you with the ball and make him go in a straight line. He'd have had NO ANGLE WHATSOEVER to shoot from. Eventually, after a couple of touches and 10 meters (which would have allowed Tomori to recover even more with his speed), he probably would have just taken a touch wide and gone back.

I like Tomori. But I'm not gonna defend him on this shit. It was a stupid challenge. And he almost cost us the game with his idiotic decision.

Now, VAR....that's a whole other thing. It's implementation is beyond broken. I agree.
 
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I think it would be simpler to make all yellow cards reviewable if there is a possible infringement in the same phase of play. Don't know why this isn't already the rule tbh, other than football being run by idiots.
 
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nefremo said:
Why go for the ball then? If "you know it's offside anyway"? Makes no sense bro. He made a mistake. It was a rash challenge and totally dumb on his part.

Someone said it during the game, and was correct. Tomori has so much pace and explosiveness, but many times doesn't use it to his benefit. It was Lorenzo fuking Colombo that he tackled. 35 meters from goal. Whyy??? He was wide as well. Just keep running at an angle and recover. Don't allow him to cut infront of you with the ball and make him go in a straight line. He'd have had NO ANGLE WHATSOEVER to shoot from. Eventually, after a couple of touches and 10 meters (which would have allowed Tomori to recover even more with his speed), he probably would have just taken a touch wide and gone back.

I like Tomori. But I'm not gonna defend him on this shit. It was a stupid challenge. And he almost cost us the game with his idiotic decision.

Now, VAR....that's a whole other thing. It's implementation is beyond broken. I agree.
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lmfaoo facts makes it even stupider. Colombo isn't a threat even 5 meters from the goal add another 30 to that it was like tackling a training cone
 
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I think it would be simpler to make all yellow cards reviewable if there is a possible infringement in the same phase of play. Don't know why this isn't already the rule tbh, other than football being run by idiots.
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Could potentially be overwhelming. For example the Portugal - Netherlands in 2006 WC had 16 yellow cards.

However 2nd yellows should definitely be reviewable
 
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I don't think Felix is a lazy twat ever in his career I think he's been played wrong. IMO he needs to play down the middle and have a free roaming role to create. Nobody on our team sees some of the passes he pulls off. Can change the game in an instant. Most of his career he's been forced out wide because yes he's quick yes he can dribble defenders yes he can do it all but his strength is his elegance and vision, not his work rate and running manically down the wings like a winger should. Just my initial perspective we'll see how things develop.
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This is exactly what ive seen in his two games with us.

He operates best in the middle of the pitch...we've been DYING for a player who can and wants to operate there. Rafa and Gimenez, will love this guy, his vision over the pass two games has been exactly what we've been missing in the middle.

Once the rest of the team gets used to how he plays and realizes what he can do, I can see them/us shitting on teams for fun!!!

(I just hope the Joao were seeing is the Joao that we continue to see, he also has to clean up his finishing)
 
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Mr. Anonymous said:
I will say this also Joao Felix in the middle is EXACTLY the type of player i've been waiting to for us to get.

He draws sooooo much attention to himself in the middle and will create so much room for Rafa to operate in.

He has the ability to split and carve open smaller teams who like to park the bus against us with his dribbling, running, and passing directly through the middle of pitch.

Couple that with Leao on the left, Puli on the right and what we're seeing from Gimenez, we have the potential to be scary good.


Rafa looks motivated by the talent he's playing with.
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Even better than Felix’s individual talent is seeing him already get and play well with Leao and Pulisic with less than a week spent at the club. If that continues on, we will be terrifying.
 
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At the end of the day we have a strong team right now so while it's nice to try our best in CL (not saying we'll win, but we should obviously try to go as far as possible) we also cannot afford to drop points to minnow teams anymore in Serie A. IF I'm SC - I'd reverse what he did today. Play our big 4 in attack from the jump, close game and go with our first half team for the second half.

I kinda feel sorry for Tomori lmaoo he plays with such intensity but sometimes I just think he's an elite athlete but a peanut brained individual. Like even when he talks in interviews he seems a little fucked up I don't think he can help himself :lol:
 
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nefremo said:
It's been confirmed now that it was an offside. But apparently VAR couldn't intervene since no goal/pk/straight red was given. So we got fuked, because the assistant missed it. It looked a clear offside and I was so sure that the flag was going to come up eventually. Thought the assistant just kept it down to allow for the play to develop, as they usually do these days. But seems like he jist completely missed it.

It sucks that VAR rules are like this. Makes no sense. Goal, pk, red, yellow, etc....what does it matter. When one team is SEVERELY damaged with a second yellow card, then use VAR. It doesn't take long at all to just signal to the ref that it was offside. And play on. Simple as that. VAR is supposed be a tool to help the referees. To make things equitable and to ensure that teams don't get severely damaged by incorrect calls. I get it can't be used for throw-ins and corners and common fouls, etc. But for something like this? It's ridiculous!
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They have to at least reverse the red card then.
 
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