The Rumour Commode XLVII: Foamseca is out

[Deep Fried Pizza & Chips]

Meanwhile, Bologna lost all three and are still above Juve in the table. Damning evidence we should have gotten Motta “earlier”.

Someone should check on the expert who was gloating about Motta’s “Scudetto challenge”

Just checking that both Juve and Bologna are above us in the table?

Both Motta products?

 

[forward]

L’Equipe- On Monday, Roberto de Zerbi announced to his group that he would not coach them, considering their attitude unworthy. Tired of this new harassment, for a while the Marseille dressing room refused to train.

Trying to force his way to Milan.

Sounds like a perfect successor to Fon and Con.

Can't wait for him to give this speech in front of our "lazy players".

 

[Deep Fried Pizza & Chips]

A lot of the modern managers lack man-management skills. They treat others too cold, corporate and are very results oriented. Not surprise this is what caused Motta’s downfall at Juve

Who knew the "human factor" in a business where there are humans, working closely as a team, built from humans, with egos and emotions, would be a factor in sporting success?

You didn't use the word "ruthless" so your take on the matter can't be aimed at RedTurd. Phew.

But seriously, who knew fragile men needed a little tlc sometimes.

It's surprising how many "fans" turn on players so quick when a look at why good players start playing like shit is never really considered. They are simply thrown away, with a new shiny toy wanted to replace the old, supposedly bad and broken toy.

Theo really is an interesting case for us. Currently I think most would sell and move on. But factoring in the fact we still have no one to play instead of him, really we don't. Added to the fact Milan has turned into a bit of a snake pit, from the boardroom to the terrace. Then throw in having a kid and what looked like a bogus attack on a girl on a club situation.

And it's no wonder the guy is all over the fucking place.

But let's sell, buy that kid from Belgium, we've done well with Belgian purchases. Roll the dice and hope we don't screw that kid up.

Our fab base is looking more and more like Man Utd fans by the month.

For the record if Theo doesn't sign a new contract I'd sell and recoup some cash. If he signs, he has a season to try regain what he lost.

Oh and we need a defensive left sided midfielder to get the best out of Theo and Leao... Just saying.

Back to Motta... With his poor man management skills, rookie mistakes, general banter level vibes and no Milan links other than fluffing Ibra at Paris... His old team and current team are well above our sorry asses in the league lol.

 

[pippofan]

What is Paratici's reputation on the various Italian sports shows, do you happen to know?

I watch a lot of talk shows on TeleLombardia and some on SportItallia and the consensus is very positive.
They give Paratici credit for a lot of moves that we attributed to Marotta so I guess he had a bigger role than I thought. Marotta left because he didn't approve of the Ronaldo transfer, (and was right), but that was all on Agnelli because Paratici didn't have the power to over-rule his boss.

The plusvalenza fiasco is disturbing but Juve is gonna Juve and I'm pretty sure that Paratici is smart enough to not repeat his mistake. Marotta took his pupil from Sampdoria to Juve with him so he obviously thought high of his assistant and I trust his judgement. We needed someone with experience and you can't get much more experience than that, which is what the media points out often. The other positive is the ability to discover young talent and Ladri has always been on top, especially young Italians but also the likes of Yildiz and Soule`.

 

[Mr. Anonymous]

One thing I respect about daniel is that unlike his unemployed father, he atleast managed to get a job outside milan.

This is a joke right?

If not you clearly don't know what it means to be loyalty to a club.

He could have gotten a job with Madrid when he was at his playing prime and ton more money along with it?

Chasing paper if you leave, made fun of if you stay.

 

[pippofan]

They'll soon change their minds on Paolo. Can't expect heathens to go through their conversion process without some road bumps. That they have to bring out their microscopes to try to find flaws shows how perfect of a man he really is.

Carved from marble.

When I see the statue of David by Michelangelo in Florence I think of Maldini.
Except that Paolo has a bigger penis.

 

[pippofan]

I'm not pro Italians...but if we can get sottil for cheap he'd be a welcome addition on the lw.

He actually saw a few minutes in the derby so we already got him......

 

[Alo88]

On Monday, Roberto de Zerbi announced to his team that he would not coach them, considering their attitude unworthy. Tired of this new harassment, the Marseille dressing room refused to wear boots for a while.

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Vendetta for Fonseca

 

[Alo88]

I watch a lot of talk shows on TeleLombardia and some on SportItallia and the consensus is very positive.
They give Paratici credit for a lot of moves that we attributed to Marotta so I guess he had a bigger role than I thought. Marotta left because he didn't approve of the Ronaldo transfer, (and was right), but that was all on Agnelli because Paratici didn't have the power to over-rule his boss.

The plusvalenza fiasco is disturbing but Juve is gonna Juve and I'm pretty sure that Paratici is smart enough to not repeat his mistake. Marotta took his pupil from Sampdoria to Juve with him so he obviously thought high of his assistant and I trust his judgement. We needed someone with experience and you can't get much more experience than that, which is what the media points out often. The other positive is the ability to discover young talent and Ladri has always been on top, especially young Italians but also the likes of Yildiz and Soule`.

Paratici–Milan, Cruciani: "Milan needed a sporting director of a higher calibre, with experience at the very top level. Paratici fits that profile."

Also:

Why Fabio Paratici Is the Traditional Sporting Director Milan Needed​

by Gaetano Mocciaro, MilanNews.it.

Milan is going back to its roots – to a traditional sporting director. And that's not just a figure of speech. CEO Giorgio Furlani himself made it clear last night, just minutes before the Derby della Madonnina: Milan was missing that kind of figure for the past two years.

His Juventus Experience: Rebuilding After Calciopoli​

The Rossoneri saw in Paratici the right man to rebuild a team that has looked adrift since Paolo Maldini’s departure. And Paratici has been through this before. When he joined Juventus, the club was in far worse shape – essentially starting from scratch after the Calciopoli scandal, whose impact lingered for years. Yet under his guidance, Juve rose to dominate Italian football and become a serious force in Europe.

And it all started with transfer market masterstrokes:

– Andrea Barzagli for €500,000 – a bargain of historic proportions
– Andrea Pirlo on a free transfer
– Paul Pogba the year after, also on a free
– Arturo Vidal for just €10 million
– Carlos Tevez for €9 million

These signings laid the foundation for a Juventus team that, in the famous words of former coach Antonio Conte, could finally "eat in €100 restaurants."

An International Profile​

Paratici also won Milan over with his international pedigree. His time at Tottenham played a key role in that – making smart moves in the Premier League market, like the signing of Dejan Kulusevski, another standout in terms of value for money. He built squads good enough for the Champions League and even convinced a top-tier manager like Antonio Conte to take the reins.

That international experience tipped the scales in Paratici’s favor – especially when compared to someone like Igli Tare. Tare did excellent work at Lazio, but never had to deal with the kind of pressure that comes with a club of Milan's stature. Other candidates either lacked international experience, Italian football know-how, or top-level credibility.

Paratici ticks all those boxes.

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The consensus in Italy is really more or less that Paratici is the best possible choice realisticly avaiable at the moment.

 

[ymsv]

On Monday, Roberto de Zerbi announced to his team that he would not coach them, considering their attitude unworthy. Tired of this new harassment, the Marseille dressing room refused to wear boots for a while.

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[Edu-bY-A]

Have you actually found out that it was Paratici who brought your favourite Emerson Royal to Tottenham?

I'm split on the Paratici personnel issue. On the one hand he's brought in a bunch of flops, Juventini are laughing at us and then there's the whole Prisma thing. How long do you think it will be before there are investigations against us if we hire him?

On the other hand, Paratici epitomises this mafia-like old school Italian bullshit. We need some of that so that things calm down a bit and maybe all the morons will shut up. Maybe then we'll have more of a lobby again when it comes to football policy.

If this goes completely wrong... I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[The Cat]

I highly doubt Paratici would choose italiano as coach. Conte/allegri/sarri probably more likely

 

[pippofan]

Paratici–Milan, Cruciani: "Milan needed a sporting director of a higher calibre, with experience at the very top level. Paratici fits that profile."

Also:

Why Fabio Paratici Is the Traditional Sporting Director Milan Needed​

by Gaetano Mocciaro, MilanNews.it.

Milan is going back to its roots – to a traditional sporting director. And that's not just a figure of speech. CEO Giorgio Furlani himself made it clear last night, just minutes before the Derby della Madonnina: Milan was missing that kind of figure for the past two years.

His Juventus Experience: Rebuilding After Calciopoli​

The Rossoneri saw in Paratici the right man to rebuild a team that has looked adrift since Paolo Maldini’s departure. And Paratici has been through this before. When he joined Juventus, the club was in far worse shape – essentially starting from scratch after the Calciopoli scandal, whose impact lingered for years. Yet under his guidance, Juve rose to dominate Italian football and become a serious force in Europe.

And it all started with transfer market masterstrokes:

– Andrea Barzagli for €500,000 – a bargain of historic proportions
– Andrea Pirlo on a free transfer
– Paul Pogba the year after, also on a free
– Arturo Vidal for just €10 million
– Carlos Tevez for €9 million

These signings laid the foundation for a Juventus team that, in the famous words of former coach Antonio Conte, could finally "eat in €100 restaurants."

An International Profile​

Paratici also won Milan over with his international pedigree. His time at Tottenham played a key role in that – making smart moves in the Premier League market, like the signing of Dejan Kulusevski, another standout in terms of value for money. He built squads good enough for the Champions League and even convinced a top-tier manager like Antonio Conte to take the reins.

That international experience tipped the scales in Paratici’s favor – especially when compared to someone like Igli Tare. Tare did excellent work at Lazio, but never had to deal with the kind of pressure that comes with a club of Milan's stature. Other candidates either lacked international experience, Italian football know-how, or top-level credibility.

Paratici ticks all those boxes.

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The consensus in Italy is really more or less that Paratici is the best possible choice realisticly avaiable at the moment.

Yeah, I read that earlier and it's my opinion as well. MilanNews this morning writes about possible Italian targets for Paratici with us that include Chiesa, Orsolini, Lucca, and Udogie that he brought to Tottenham. Orsolini would be a great back-up to Pulisic while Chiesa a bit more risky because of health problems plus his best position is LW. Udogie very fast, not the offensive threat that Theo is but probably better defensively. All media speculations but I'm pretty sure there will be a ton of changes. The hope is that they let him work without too much interference.

 

[pippofan]

Have you actually found out that it was Paratici who brought your favourite Emerson Royal to Tottenham?

I'm split on the Paratici personnel issue. On the one hand he's brought in a bunch of flops, Juventini are laughing at us and then there's the whole Prisma thing. How long do you think it will be before there are investigations against us if we hire him?

On the other hand, Paratici epitomises this mafia-like old school Italian bullshit. We need some of that so that things calm down a bit and maybe all the morons will shut up. Maybe then we'll have more of a lobby again when it comes to football policy.

If this goes completely wrong... I wouldn't be surprised.

Just checked and Royal moved to Tottenham in 2021. Paratici was smart enough to sell him to us at an inflated price and I'm sure will try to sell him again. It will be interesting to see what they decide on Walker due to his age and high salary. They might go with a younger profile which is what I would do.

 

[Edu-bY-A]

Paratici was smart enough to sell him to us at

Nope. Paratici is banned.

 

[yungeddy]

Paratici–Milan, Cruciani: "Milan needed a sporting director of a higher calibre, with experience at the very top level. Paratici fits that profile."

Also:

Why Fabio Paratici Is the Traditional Sporting Director Milan Needed​

by Gaetano Mocciaro, MilanNews.it.

Milan is going back to its roots – to a traditional sporting director. And that's not just a figure of speech. CEO Giorgio Furlani himself made it clear last night, just minutes before the Derby della Madonnina: Milan was missing that kind of figure for the past two years.

His Juventus Experience: Rebuilding After Calciopoli​

The Rossoneri saw in Paratici the right man to rebuild a team that has looked adrift since Paolo Maldini’s departure. And Paratici has been through this before. When he joined Juventus, the club was in far worse shape – essentially starting from scratch after the Calciopoli scandal, whose impact lingered for years. Yet under his guidance, Juve rose to dominate Italian football and become a serious force in Europe.

And it all started with transfer market masterstrokes:

– Andrea Barzagli for €500,000 – a bargain of historic proportions
– Andrea Pirlo on a free transfer
– Paul Pogba the year after, also on a free
– Arturo Vidal for just €10 million
– Carlos Tevez for €9 million

These signings laid the foundation for a Juventus team that, in the famous words of former coach Antonio Conte, could finally "eat in €100 restaurants."

An International Profile​

Paratici also won Milan over with his international pedigree. His time at Tottenham played a key role in that – making smart moves in the Premier League market, like the signing of Dejan Kulusevski, another standout in terms of value for money. He built squads good enough for the Champions League and even convinced a top-tier manager like Antonio Conte to take the reins.

That international experience tipped the scales in Paratici’s favor – especially when compared to someone like Igli Tare. Tare did excellent work at Lazio, but never had to deal with the kind of pressure that comes with a club of Milan's stature. Other candidates either lacked international experience, Italian football know-how, or top-level credibility.

Paratici ticks all those boxes.

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The consensus in Italy is really more or less that Paratici is the best possible choice realisticly avaiable at the moment.

Complete trash article
It gives the accomplishments of marotta to paratici

Also his work at tottenham is imo trash..(where he was for the first time work alone and not rely on marotta)

Also not only he caught in fraud wich makes him a fraud and criminal
The worst part is he was stupid enough to get caught

Im sure furlani likes him cause after the fraudban..he is cheap

 

[Deep Fried Pizza & Chips]

Yeah, I read that earlier and it's my opinion as well. MilanNews this morning writes about possible Italian targets for Paratici with us that include Chiesa, Orsolini, Lucca, and Udogie that he brought to Tottenham. Orsolini would be a great back-up to Pulisic while Chiesa a bit more risky because of health problems plus his best position is LW. Udogie very fast, not the offensive threat that Theo is but probably better defensively. All media speculations but I'm pretty sure there will be a ton of changes. The hope is that they let him work without too much interference.

Let's be honest, all those names immediately help us.

We're pretty much trash off the bench. Above average Italians from the bench at least let's us buy better players from abroad, and actually submit a full squad in competitions #Lists.

My biggest fear, is without CL how the fuck we're funding this year zero 3.0?

What are the prices on the names you mention? For all 4 that's over £100 million easy!!!

I've been watching Chiesa at Pool when I can, and he's looked solid for them, not going to lie. But he's not had lots of minutes?

He offers a proper back up for Leao at least.

Similarly Orsollini > ChuK for sure... But does bringing Salad back solve the RW back up situation, without any expense?

You mention Udogie. Not going to lie I don't know much, but if he's stronger defensively, that's a nice alternative to Theo, if he stays.

With Udogie on the left and salad RM, that's a great couple of guys to potentially close our games with.

If we sell Theo, does that find Udogie and the Belgian LB who is more attack minded?

Lucca for me is a big risk. We've bought to s of big Italian FWDs that have just been shit. Is this guy actually any good, or just a big lump?

We're going to see a revolving door at Milan in the summer that's for sure. Paratici, if he's the guy, has his work cut out...

 

[vB9]

 

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[yungeddy]

Just checked and Royal moved to Tottenham in 2021. Paratici was smart enough to sell him to us at an inflated price and I'm sure will try to sell him again. It will be interesting to see what they decide on Walker due to his age and high salary. They might go with a younger profile which is what I would do.

Whahaha thats not really a fair assesment when it was himself that inflated the price for emerson to begin with with when he bought emerson for 30 million euro
Twice what we pay for him

At most its barca paratici and milan mgmt all dumb

With milan the least dumb since we bought him for the lowest
Apparantly hes still inflated at 15 mill? Probably not and if he is..not much

So id say i wouldnt call emerson royal a flop yet
He cost practically nothing and were in 9th
But hes being monitored ofcourse

 

[papaberlu]

Is Paratici really part of the "big boys" league if he's getting charges and has already had to serve an extensive ban? Is he really part of the "big boys" if his job after Juventus is at Tottenham?

To me, Berta would have been the better choice if I had to pick from the two--even if Berta has bad transfers (like everyone) including a very terrible Felix purchase--but we didn't go after Berta in time which was widely reported, and is obviously a theme when you an executive suite that is filled with backstabbing and infighting.

I just don't get what part of Paratici's resume screams "big boy" it seems more like he was a great deputy to Marotta and fucked up badly without him.

The legal stuff is very hard to dismiss for me, it's weird that you're going after someone who has this massive "if" hanging over him, who is our backup to him if he doesn't work out?

I think the difference between Elliott and Redbird when it comes to who they selected for their corporate positions is stark.


Berta was known to many, he's very good at his job and widely respected. I think his departure from Atletico was unexpected, that's the thing and he was available, but they didn't go after him. Arsenal got him, and I'd put Arsenal over Tottenham when talking about "big boys."

I'm not even a Berta super fan. Just like I wasn't some Motta super fan, but I respected his work, and said that if Motta was their choice, they had to move decisively. They lingered with Pioli and then went after Lopetegui and then settled on Fonseca. It's not like they have inspired confidence.

The media is having a field day with us because our current owners have told everyone else that they're stupid and that they know better whilst putting a team with enough talent to be top four in firmly 9th place. Yes, the media likes to shit on Milan, but these owners have made it much worse.

I prefer Sartori, D'Amico, and Tare over Paratici. Your point about Berta not having worked in Italy, is a fair one, but Paratici's failures once he took over Juve are pretty damning, as well. He doesn't seem like he's capable of rebuilding a team, he pushed for choices that led to a massive decline in Juve.

The stick won't stop until the team doesn't look like a shitshow.

I'm sorry, Alo, but there were people cheering for the dismantling of our previous executive group over a 4th place finish, Origi, and CDK--and they cheered on that firing saying that they were proven right with a distant second place last year, and our owner (and his executives) proceeded to shit on everyone in Italy with an interview at Harvard that got published and they were shocked that it did.

You can talk about it being old, but it's the byproduct of this ownership and management's inability to even muster a top four push while telling everyone they're smarter than them. If you reach your goals (top four, winning, whatever) then you can celebrate. But this season is a disaster, and the reality is that the vast majority of this squad is their own, after the winter transfer market the team is 73% made up of players that they chose.

I think Berta was the obvious #1 choice but no one in their right mind is picking current Milan over Arsenal even if they started recruiting him a year ago and I assume his courtship had been going on for months. Our insider said Paratici joining means the first option fell through which I assume was Berta

D'Amico would probably have been the better p4p moneyball hire but running a club like Milan is different gravy, picking someone fairly green in this regard is too risky

tbh I think Milan's scouting all these years has been fine. It's just closing the right targets, allocation of resources, and squad structure that has lacked

 

[papaberlu]

Today I woke up to news that we are interested in Guardiola.

This must mean we’re definitely getting a good manager. Not Guardiola, but if the rumors start there, hopefully when it’s all said and done we land with like Sarri or allegri. If the rumors started at Allegri we would end up with Italiano at best

I kinda agree with this funnily enough

I was surprised with the rumors of Allegri a few weeks ago

Allegri is an expensive coach with demands. Targeting him especially without CL football says something about the scale at hand

 

[papaberlu]

I think Motta is a good coach, but he seems to very quickly shatter relationships with players. Given how juvenile and immature our squad is, we probably wouldn't do well bringing in a cunt. I mean, Motta seemed to have most of the Juve squad turn on him, despite decent-ish results. That team is largely the same that were fine with Allegri, who is a complete lunatic. And as I pointed out sometime back, that Bologna is still tearing it, even doing better, with an arguably worse squad than last year, is credit to both the squad itself and Italiano for improving their momentum.

I've seen lots of blame on Motta for faltering personal relationships with Juve players

but do we forget Guintoli literally starting his tenure by putting 90% of the squad on the transfer market and then alienating them all summer to force exits? are we sure that didn't poison the well

 

[Alo88]

Have you actually found out that it was Paratici who brought your favourite Emerson Royal to Tottenham?

I'm split on the Paratici personnel issue. On the one hand he's brought in a bunch of flops, Juventini are laughing at us and then there's the whole Prisma thing. How long do you think it will be before there are investigations against us if we hire him?

On the other hand, Paratici epitomises this mafia-like old school Italian bullshit. We need some of that so that things calm down a bit and maybe all the morons will shut up. Maybe then we'll have more of a lobby again when it comes to football policy.

If this goes completely wrong... I wouldn't be surprised.

Haha, try to see the glass half full: He can't buy him again

 

[papaberlu]

I know the orphans have been out and about the last few months but I think the club was set on this course once they decided to back Pioli&co over Rangnick

As more and more time passes that becomes the clear fork in the road moment

Fludetto aside

 

[milanator]

I know the orphans have been out and about the last few months but I think the club was set on this course once they decided to back Pioli&co over Rangnick

As more and more time passes that becomes the clear fork in the road moment

Fludetto aside

Maldini already fell out with everyone as it was, him with Rangnick would have escalated really badly. Rangnick is super difficult, in my opinion also overrated as a coach, but especially socially that would have been a nuke.

 

[pippofan]

Let's be honest, all those names immediately help us.

We're pretty much trash off the bench. Above average Italians from the bench at least let's us buy better players from abroad, and actually submit a full squad in competitions #Lists.

My biggest fear, is without CL how the fuck we're funding this year zero 3.0?

What are the prices on the names you mention? For all 4 that's over £100 million easy!!!

I've been watching Chiesa at Pool when I can, and he's looked solid for them, not going to lie. But he's not had lots of minutes?

He offers a proper back up for Leao at least.

Similarly Orsollini > ChuK for sure... But does bringing Salad back solve the RW back up situation, without any expense?

You mention Udogie. Not going to lie I don't know much, but if he's stronger defensively, that's a nice alternative to Theo, if he stays.

With Udogie on the left and salad RM, that's a great couple of guys to potentially close our games with.

If we sell Theo, does that find Udogie and the Belgian LB who is more attack minded?

Lucca for me is a big risk. We've bought to s of big Italian FWDs that have just been shit. Is this guy actually any good, or just a big lump?

We're going to see a revolving door at Milan in the summer that's for sure. Paratici, if he's the guy, has his work cut out...

The media is trying to guess what Paratici would do based on past deals but they have to take into account what we can afford. Most of it will depend on sales that might include Leao because he will bring in the most money. I would be reluctant to let him go even though I often criticize him.
Chiesa would have to come in at a discount price and lower salary counting on his wish to return to Italy, Lucca's price keeps going up and I'm not sure he's worth it, Walker too expensive to keep, and way too many mediocre players on the roster to replace.

It's a massive job made even more difficult by the fact that we don't have youth players ready to contribute in Serie A, something that Juventus is very good at. Leao and Theo are our two most well known players, followed by Puli, Deers, and Maignan so we have to be very careful who we keep and who we let go. Coaches like Conte and Gasperini are very good at improving the quality of players that fit their systems, they train them hard and command respect as well as fear, so every choice we make has to be near perfect if we want to challenge for a CL spot next season.

 

[pippofan]

I've seen lots of blame on Motta for faltering personal relationships with Juve players

but do we forget Guintoli literally starting his tenure by putting 90% of the squad on the transfer market and then alienating them all summer to force exits? are we sure that didn't poison the well

Giuntoli has been the bigger failure with a very expensive mercato that proved to be a disaster. Don't know how much influence, if any, Motta had but I think he got away from what made him successfull at Bologna which was a mistake on his part.

 

[papaberlu]

Maldini already fell out with everyone as it was, him with Rangnick would have escalated really badly. Rangnick is super difficult, in my opinion also overrated as a coach, but especially socially that would have been a nuke.

Well the idea was picking Rangnick over Maldini

The club being built on the vision of a central figure with experience would have saved us from this path is all

Maldini good/bad stuff is tiring but I don't think he was that figure

 

[WILL2K]

Milan set to drop Paratici due to legal matters - Football Italia

Reports in Italy claim Milan could surprisingly drop Fabio Paratici and look for a new sporting director due to 'legal matters.'

football-italia.net

Seems like there may be another twist, if so, I want Atalanta’s SD.