The Rumour Commode XLVIII: Tare Tare Sauce

[Ryo]

Whats our STs status?!
Jovic still has one year left on his contract?
Abraham returned?

Jovic up in the air. Their fan account keeps posting Jovic & Modric pictures so doubtful we've kicked him out. If anything we might keep him as a solid backup option.

Gimenez is likely our starting CF. Given his qualities, Allegri will love him.

Camarda (hopefully) gets at least a half season of Futuro, I don't want him rotting on the first team bench.

Tammy? He loves the club and would be nice, but unless (a) Roma lower his transfer fee and (b) he lowers his own wages, I don't see him staying. Not when we brought Salad back.

 

[Neruda]

Italian pride

 

[Raz]

Ricci is a true DM

He is a true fodder

 

[brk]

If you were offered 3x-4x the salary of your current team and your team just turn it down, are you just going back to work as if nothing happened on your previous salary because you "love your team"?

Can we afford to pay Reijnders 8m a year RIGHT NOW and if we do, does that somehow guarantee us even top 4 next year given what we have for rest of the squad?

Easy no for me on both accounts. So all this talk of "we can afford to keep him" is absolute nonsense, same exact thing with Tonali.

8m is 4m net. Well within our limits.

 

[Ryo]

Hahahhaahahahhahahha
Half will go to cover this season loss and the other half to FoderRicci hahahahhahahahaha

You know.... so long as we don't buy anyone before Jul 1st, we can spend the full amount next season.

The "season loss" thing is just an accounting thing. We can still use the full 55-70M for transfers.

 

[Balo45]

I thought Jovic deal was up? If it’s just Giminez and Camarda we absolutely need another st even if camarda plays more. If Jovic is here I say keep him and let the kid get some minutes

 

[Curupira]

I agree with that about Reijnders but my question is about “top 4 next season given what we have for the rest of the squad.” Why is it that the only options are sell him or keep everything as is? You don’t think it’s possible to switch from signing 5-6 players, to signing 2-3? Why not?

I think its possible once your team have a system and not holes in a lot of positions. We aren't there.

 

[Wild]

That’s exactly what I said, and I’m saying it’s not working. Serie a is a competitive league and I don’t think it’s very productive to constantly bring in a ton of new players, even if we are smarter and do recruitment better. I never said we shouldn’t sell, I don’t know why this is always the answer I get. I’ve said several times I know we will sell players and it will be needed at times. That’s not the same thing though as constantly doing this on purpose and having a new team every 2/3 seasons. That’s my point basically. I think most would agree would that.

It for sure failed but not because we sold Tona.
It failed because we got shit for coaches & more than half the players flopped.
And i dont think we will have crazy offers for more than one player per season anyway.

 

[Balo45]

I think its possible once your team have a system and not holes in a lot of positions. We aren't there.

Yeah I wrote that exactly in the other paragraph. The reason we aren’t there is because they’ve been doing this approach. We got worse lol

 

[Nestafan]

Modric ain’t a looker, but my God the bottom two are so horrific looking they make Matri look like Borriello
They are Alberto Aquilani-tier ugly
Even Montolivo looks better

Aqua was cool

 

[Massaro94]

The Inter humiliation i'm with you on 100%

A little less on the Allegri thing.

And much less on the Modric thing, especially since we lost Tiji. (and for the price we did is crazy)

Modric works FULLY, only if Tiji stayed IMO.

I wanted Allegri just to force out those imbeciles on the lw

Also I don't mind seeing Milan shithousing our way to 3 points everyweek

Lastly...I was a bit too harsh on him last time. For better or worse, he did a very good job considering the.cards he was dealt (aside from the final 4 months of his reign). I normally don't like to criticise our Milan managers. But for some reason went both barrels on max.

Of all the coaches to have a chance of coaching Milan again. He deserves it the most.

 

[Curupira]

Yeah I wrote that exactly in the other paragraph. The reason we aren’t there is because they’ve been doing this approach. We got worse lol

Did you?

We had neither a system nor coverage under previous administration. We are constantly reminded that we look like crap without our superstar (individual dependent) - no system. We were spending <10m for our supporting cast and needed way more coverage than we needed last season. As a matter of fact, Maldini's CDK experiment is the exact argument against signing less player for higher amount.

We got worse because because the people previous administration bet on decided to coast it instead of stepping up, another thing about accepting "less" salary.

 

[Balo45]

I’m actually confident our midfield as a unit will be still look a lot better without Tij next season. Mostly worried about the defense. Max will bring balance and organization but we’re gonna need more than a kid like Leoni. Especially with two new fullbacks and maybe even a new keeper. However far the team goes or doesn’t go will probably depend on how quick Max can put together a new backline on the fly

 

[Massaro94]

Modric works FULLY, only if Tiji stayed IMO.

Im not expecting miracles...but having him in our squad will boost our midfield.

Even if he doesn't play im just happy to have him here.

 

[Omer]

People still cry about Tonali but in that summer they tuned Tonali into Reijnders and Pulisic. Two players who reached heights for this club that Tonali never did

Despite the shitters who joined that summer that’s a win in my book

Let’s hope they can do the same with the Reijnders money and this time actually hit on the ancillary pieces

Is the team doing any better now compared to 2 years ago? If Milan win the scudetto and get to the CL final then people won't care that much how mgmt is handling affairs.

But the club has been stuck and declined as a result of their policies.

 

[Swagotelli]

Ok, which one of these is true? Price coming down 5m per hour

My source told me Reijnders 75+add ons, Ricci is done deal

Fuck off Redbird!

Cardinale OUT

 

[Master Smurf]

They've also bought Musah, my point is why are we reported to be looking for another ball carrier. Not watched Ricci enough but he doesn't look like a creative outlet and Modric is bordering on 40, as good as he is/was he can't carry a midfield.

If it is just a midfield 3 of ball carriers, Fofana RLC Ricci, that's fine i just can't see our front 3 flourishing under that. And if we are relying on Fofana to be our main creative outlet we have some real trouble. It's not the fact that Tiji's creativity is being overplayed it's the fact that we are so limited in that aspect which is why it's painful.

All fine, let's see at the end of the window if that's the case but we have barely started recruitment yet.

That's why I didn't understand how you could say it's enough already.

 

[Balo45]

Did you?

We had neither a system nor coverage under previous administration. As a matter of fact, Maldini's CDK experiment is the exact argument against signing less player for higher amount.

We got worse because because the people previous administration bet on decided to coast it instead of stepping up.

Fair enough, I don’t think we’re that far apart on most things and I don’t want to keep this going forever. You put the higher amount part in btw, not me. And with CDK, as I’ve said many times that whole window was a disaster but all transfer teams have bad windows. I’m not a Maldini orphan, we’ve moved on, but i think it’s extremely silly to downplay a whole team project because of one bad window. Transfers are such a crapshoot that one player/transfer campaign somehow making people forget that mgmt team finally got us back in to Europe consistently and silverware, is just weird.

All I was saying was I took issue with the idea selling Tonali was needed to get Ders and Pulisic. Those are objectively players Milan can afford without selling, much smaller clubs than us can spare 20 mil on a player or two. We flipped the Tonali money into a giant window attempting to make a deeper team and take the team up a level. That has failed in the same way the CDK thing failed, it’s time for something new. Regularly blowing up teams and bringing in a ton of players may work in other leagues but serie a is too competitive for that, way too risky. We need to change this approach, it’s not about keeping Tonali or Reijnders which everyone keeps getting fixated on. I think we’d probably agree on that.

 

[Nestafan]

No brainer at 15 or so

Grow your hair out or feck off.

 

[Curupira]

You put the higher amount part in btw, not me.

Isn't that what you meant with signings 2-3 players instead of 4-5? Sorry if I misunderstood

And with CDK, as I’ve said many times that whole window was a disaster but all transfer teams have bad windows. I’m not a Maldini orphan, we’ve moved on, but i think it’s extremely silly to downplay a whole team project because of one bad window. Transfers are such a crapshoot that one player/transfer campaign somehow making people forget that mgmt team finally got us back in to Europe consistently and silverware, is just weird.

But nothing about what they were doing was sustainable? Leao fans constantly point out to us that we are Leao dependent and look like crap without him, well who built the team that way? We were just kicking the can down the road with signings like Florenzi, Giroud and Messias with a manager like Pioli.

We had neither a system or coverage in the positions and that team already showed major chinks in the armor when we finished 5th on the pitch. And the approaches taken by that administration is what leaves us in our current stage (needing so many reinforcements). I understand CdK type of transfer can happen to anyone, and that is the whole argument against
"just keep what we have and add one or two pieces per window to improve". That assumes "what we have" will continue to perform at their best or push new heights, AND that the few players you do sign all work out and hit the ground contributing.

Regularly blowing up teams and bringing in a ton of players may work in other leagues but serie a is too competitive for that, way too risky. We need to change this approach, it’s not about keeping Tonali or Reijnders which everyone keeps getting fixated on. I think we’d probably agree on that.

Have we regularly blew up our team though? If anything, we still haven't fully committed to blow up our team with Leao and Theo both still here. To me we have just been shuffling supporting pieces.

Reijnders was considered a supporting piece, it just so happens he actually worked on stuff and made massive improvements we are now talking as if he's always been the pillar.

 

[Curupira]

I’m actually confident our midfield as a unit will be still look a lot better without Tij next season. Mostly worried about the defense. Max will bring balance and organization but we’re gonna need more than a kid like Leoni. Especially with two new fullbacks and maybe even a new keeper. However far the team goes or doesn’t go will probably depend on how quick Max can put together a new backline on the fly

I think we need a "Modric" or at least a "Rabiot" type profile in defense as well.

 

[patosheva]

Now Moretto says
Price is 58 fixed and 15 mil bonuses.
Mostly we wanted that way and to use one part for next year books.

 

[Stitches]

Ok, which one of these is true? Price coming down 5m per hour

Pretty sure furry set it million per cm he's over a meter. So 55.

 

[Samaldinho]

Ah, but we flipped Tiji from 20M (with bonuses) for 70M-80M (with Bonuses). It provided funds that our last two Coaches squandered away (which is why they've been fired), and you forget the shit state of our bench prior to the Tonali sale. It wasn't JUST Pulisic and Reijnder, it was an effective bench for 1 season (of which some of those players can still improve in coming years or be sold for around the same amount of money).

Damn, I was about to make a funny, and ended up actually explaining some shit.

They didn't need to sell Tonali to buy Tiji or Pulisic and they didn't need to sell him to... waste it all on this "deeper bench" that we didn't even rely on.

Emerson Royal? Pavlovic? Walker? Felix? Sottil? Terracciano? Bondo? Musah? Morata? Chuk? Where is this deep bench?

Even if we go with last year, when we got second, who was useful to bolster our bench? The players we relied on who were not "nailed on starters" were who? Florenzi (40 appearances), Kjaer (25 appearences), Gabbia, Simic in defense, then we replaced Krunic as a starter with Adli, Bennacer came back from injury, Musah was an active hindrance that year. Chuk was an utter failure, while Okafor helped last year but did nothing this year. Jovic was free, and he was a big help... but they didn't even really bolster our bench, if we look at it.

You know who they tried to use that year? Luka Romero, Pellegrino (one match before being loaned out), even Chaka Traore got 2 goals while Chuk got 3 that year, lol.

This year, we played Reijnders and Fofana in a Coppa match against a Serie B side because we had no bench depth.

I don't forget the shit state of our bench, not only because I remember Pioli actively not using a player like Adli when he showed that he was at least a useful player to have, but also because our geniuses paid a lot of money for a guy who produced less than Messias and Saelemaekers, and the blow of losing Brahim was mitigated by getting Pulisic (who blossomed [wish we had both]) while giving more game time to Musah who cannot pass the ball to save his life (and I wanted him here) and we gave up on Kalulu so we could get who? Pavlovic? Emerson?

 

[Ryo]

If Merda move any slower, they might not even have a coach to pick.

 

[Wild]

Pellegrino to Boca for a figure between 5 and 10 and 10% future sale

Thats sctually good.

 

[DonSilvio]

Maldini would have never sold tonali and tiji

He knows that Milan needs to keep their best players for prestige and consistency

Gerry is a cunt

A few more CDK or Salaemakers like signings and he would have to start selling big names

 

[Curupira]

Thats sctually good.

Lemoncaulk's favorite word:

Plus-Valenzerrrrr

 

[Samaldinho]

A few more CDK or Salaemakers like signings and he would have to start selling big names

Whew, I'm glad that we're doing so well with our signings and results that we've avoided having to do that!

 

[IL-Capitano]

If Merda move any slower, they might not even have a coach to pick.

They have more pressing concerns perhaps.