The Rumour Commode XLVIII: Tare Tare Sauce

[grandeacm2]

Why take him as a bench warmer? To what end?

So we can hear about his family drama or why he isn't performing for whatever reason and then in that one moment when you actually need something he fluffs it.

Waste of space. He had his chance.
You don't improve continuing to hope in players that have continuously failed.

Maybe because we can't sell him(especially for profit), maybe because Allegri wants to retain him.
Morata was one of the less drama players we had past season.
He said he had experienced things he had never done in his career(probably was referring to Leao, Theo, Calabria getting Fonseca sacked and planning to do the same to Conceicao let's be real here).

All I know for sure is that if I had to choose between him and Jovic, then I will pick Morata every time because at least Morata has the technical qualities to play as a false 9, whereas Jovic when he's not scoring he provides nothing.

 

[sheva]

Sportitalia confirm that there will be a meeting between Cardinale, Furlani, Tare and Allegri and they say that Allegri will try to work on behalf of Theo, he will try to convince the ownership to forgive Theo

Watching Milan games for a full season and that's the conclusion he derives?

I fear max has been out of the game for too long

Either that or Tare informed him that we don't have budget for an LB

 

[Ashish]

Till date my biggest regret.

The one fucking Bosnian player we should have signed

We never did and he was a fucking Milan fan

You deserve it for hating Berlusconi and krunic

 

[grandeacm2]

Till date my biggest regret.

The one fucking Bosnian player we should have signed

We never did and he was a fucking Milan fan

And he played for Inter
Come on, don't give me the professional stuff, he was rich by then

 

[Alo88]

I don't find that explanation unconvincing, it's probably how it went down. The problem is that the Tonali sale, which had none of those factors present, went down the same way.

Newcastle, who were spending big at the time, at the height of the "anyone who can be played as a DM in FIFA goes for double the normal price" hype, Newcastle got CL, we got CL, we didn't need to sell, Tonali wasn't pushing for a move--and yet... we sold fast, under his value, even at the 70m, in a place where Gravenberch goes 40m after a terrible season (he was bought for 18m by Bayern), and Tonali is young, he's hyped, we just got semi-final of CL, and yet we sold Tonali under-value in the exact same way.

If we are going to become a selling club, we have to sell well. Oh, and not finish in 8th place and do worse than the people we talked trash about for the last few years.

Yeah, but honestly – back then I didn’t feel like Tonali was sold below value. He came off a pretty meh season. Aside from that CL run, the whole campaign was underwhelming – especially with that disastrous start to 2023, where we basically gifted Inter a 20-point lead.

Outside the Milan fan bubble who adored that boy to say the least, there wasn’t much hype around him. And for a defensive midfielder – Italian passport on top of that – the reported 70M (bonuses included, which were never going to be triggered after the ban) actually felt like a solid deal.

It’s the same fee we’ve just gotten for Reijnders – after the best season of his career and with hype at an all-time high. But key differences like age, passport and role make it a bit more difficult to compare directly. I still feel we could have gotten a solid 15-20M more for Reijnders if it wasn't for that presumed gentlemen's agreement. Tonali tho, emotions aside, would have been a very good deal if the bonuses could have been realized too.

 

[Ludwig]

Till date my biggest regret.

The one fucking Bosnian player we should have signed

We never did and he was a fucking Milan fan

 

[grandeacm2]

You deserve it for hating Berlusconi and krunic

Nope, he's right to hate Krunic

 

[CapitanoMaldini]

 

[grandeacm2]

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He was referring to Dzeko

 

[Soldier_of_god]

You deserve it for hating Berlusconi and krunic

Berlu I don’t hate. Galliani I do
Krunic I definitely hate. He can go suck it

 

[Soldier_of_god]

And he played for Inter
Come on, don't give me the professional stuff, he was rich by then

He was mad cause we thought he was past it. At the time.

 

[CapitanoMaldini]

 

[grandeacm2]

This guy plays in Segunda
If we spend more than 1m on him....

 

[MW6]

2 things about the Reijnders-deal.

• I think management felt some pressure to close the deal to get the sale onto last years budget because it would clear them from being stuck in the FFP-doghouse probation-period, that just ended.

• I’ve read somewhere the reason Man City can avoid to overpay on occasions is because of their oil-money allowing them to pay upfront instead of installments, which very few other clubs can handle. So if that was the case it would increase Milan’s cashflow by a lot, which in turn surely will have a positive effect on the transfermarket.

 

[Samaldinho]

Yeah, but honestly – back then I didn’t feel like Tonali was sold below value. He came off a pretty meh season. Aside from that CL run, the whole campaign was underwhelming – especially with that disastrous start to 2023, where we basically gifted Inter a 20-point lead.

Outside the Milan fan bubble who adored that boy to say the least, there wasn’t much hype around him. And for a defensive midfielder – Italian passport on top of that – the reported 70M (bonuses included, which were never going to be triggered after the ban) actually felt like a solid deal.

It’s the same fee we’ve just gotten for Reijnders – after the best season of his career and with hype at an all-time high. But key differences like age, passport and role make it a bit more difficult to compare directly. I still feel we could have gotten a solid 15-20M more for Reijnders if it wasn't for that presumed gentlemen's agreement. Tonali tho, emotions aside, would have been a very good deal if the bonuses could have been realized too.

Yes, the season was underwhelming, except for our first CL semi-final in over a decade. Except that.

We just finished 8th and Reijnders is one of the most hyped midfielders in world football, but Tonali, like Reijnders, was a very hyped player. He was sold for 58m.

Caicedo was bought for over 100m while playing for Brighton. Enzo was paid over 100m from Benfica, sure, World Cup, so then it must be brought up: Gravenberch, despite being a transfer flop at Bayern, who paid 18m for him, sold him for 40m to Liverpool. This was the transfer landscape at the time.

I'm sorry, there was a lot of hype around him, and the price was low.

Why didn't we shop him to Liverpool? We didn't shop him around at all, this is according to Horncastle and Ornstein. We rewarded Newcastle's audacity with a good deal... for them.

If asking for over 70m is crazy because of Tiji's age of 27, Tonali was 23 when we sold him, so where is the youth premium?

Even with bonuses, if you look at the market of DM-type players at the time, it was not a good deal.

 

[sheva]

Sounds like Allegri already had the meeting with Gerald

Live scenes from Gerald's office

 

[grandeacm2]

He was mad cause we thought he was past it. At the time.

Yeah yeah, Leonardo was also mad because B didn't support him with enough players and sacked him
He shouldn't have joined Inter, just disgusting man
This is why I hate it when players say they are Milan fans, and why I never get invested in their words
Also he wasted so much of his career in that shit club Roma

 

[Ryo]

I don't find that explanation unconvincing, it's probably how it went down. The problem is that the Tonali sale, which had none of those factors present, went down the same way.

Newcastle, who were spending big at the time, at the height of the "anyone who can be played as a DM in FIFA goes for double the normal price" hype, Newcastle got CL, we got CL, we didn't need to sell, Tonali wasn't pushing for a move--and yet... we sold fast, under his value, even at the 70m, in a place where Gravenberch goes 40m after a terrible season (he was bought for 18m by Bayern), and Tonali is young, he's hyped, we just got semi-final of CL, and yet we sold Tonali under-value in the exact same way.

If we are going to become a selling club, we have to sell well. Oh, and not finish in 8th place and do worse than the people we talked trash about for the last few years.

Fans have an inflated value of players.
Specially players they like.
Tonali's stats in the Scudetto winning season and the season after that were decent but not "Best Midfielder in Serie A", were they? (Rhetorical, 20/21 was Barella and 21/22 was Brozovic)

Milan fans probably also tag an extra 10M to his value because he's a Milanista. But when it comes to negotiating with other clubs, shit like that doesn't matter.

The fact is, Tonali was probably worth 50M when we sold him for 70M + 10M bonuses. That's not a lowball figure.

With Tiji, if indeed he had already an agreement with City, that would have pushed our demand down simply because Tiji wanted to leave.

It was the same with Kaka, no? City wanted him for £91M in 2009, Berlu let him leave for Madrid for £65M. There was likely a gentleman's agreement in place to the destination, thus we couldn't demand Madrid match Man City's valuation.

 

[grandeacm2]

It was the same with Kaka, no? City wanted him for £91M in 2009, Berlu let him leave for Madrid for £65M. There was likely a gentleman's agreement in place to the destination, thus we couldn't demand Madrid match Man City's valuation.

Kaka himself picked Real.
Man City was not an attractive destination back then.

 

[Samaldinho]

Fans have an inflated value of players.
Specially players they like.
Tonali's stats in the Scudetto winning season and the season after that were decent but not "Best Midfielder in Serie A", were they? Milan fans probably also tag an extra 10M to his value because he's a Milanista. But when it comes to negotiating with other clubs, shit like that doesn't matter.

The fact is, Tonali was probably worth 50M when we sold him for 70M + 10M bonuses. That's not a lowball figure.

With Tiji, if indeed he had already an agreement with City, that would have pushed our demand down simply because Tiji wanted to leave.

It was the same with Kaka, no? City wanted him for £91M in 2009, Berlu let him leave for Madrid for £65M. There was likely a gentleman's agreement in place to the destination, thus we couldn't demand Madrid match Man City's valuation.

I am not talking like a fan, Newcastle fans think they underpaid for Tonali. City fans think they underpaid for Reijnders.

Again, Milan fans are looking at Tonali through the prism of the betting ban--which again if Redbird knew, that makes the bonuses attached a terrible idea--I'm looking at the Tonali deal from the landscape at the time.

At the time, players like Gravenberch went for 40m even after having a piss-poor season for Bayern, where he barely played, and Bayern paid 18m for him, then sold him for 40m.

If Tonali was that bad (he wasn't) why couldn't we get more than whatever "factual" value Tonali had? Bayern did from Liverpool, after they shopped him around, we were even linked with him.

If we look at the Tonali deal now, there are many EPL fans who would consider Tonali one of the best mids in the EPL, by the way. He moved Bruno out of the DM spot and Tonali is now their single-pivot DM, the role he supposedly can't play.

My point is this: if Redbird are supposed to be good at business, and they got pushed around by... Reijnders? What happened to ruthlessness? What happened to the American corporate culture of competency?

All the people who led us to these problems are still employed here.

 

[Ryo]

Kaka himself picked Real.
Man City was not an attractive destination back then.

Yes and because of his decision we lost out on an additional 29M Euros of Transfer fees. More than a quarter of 100 Million Euros.

And yet Galliani was still employed after that.

 

[grandeacm2]

Yes and because of his decision we lost out on an additional 29M Euros of Transfer fees. More than a quarter of 100 Million Euros.

And yet Galliani was still employed after that.

I don't disagree?
Galliani was never gonna lose his job because G was basically like family to B
That's how we operated under Berlusconi

Of course G should have maybe done better, maybe ask for 65 million and one of Sneijder or Robben
But the choice of which club to sell to was made by Kaka

 

[Ryo]

I am not talking like a fan, Newcastle fans think they underpaid for Tonali. City fans think they underpaid for Reijnders.

Again, Milan fans are looking at Tonali through the prism of the betting ban--which again if Redbird knew, that makes the bonuses attached a terrible idea--I'm looking at the Tonali deal from the landscape at the time.

At the time, players like Gravenberch went for 40m even after having a piss-poor season for Bayern, where he barely played, and Bayern paid 18m for him, then sold him for 40m.

If Tonali was that bad (he wasn't) why couldn't we get more than whatever "factual" value Tonali had? Bayern did from Liverpool, after they shopped him around, we were even linked with him.

If we look at the Tonali deal now, there are many EPL fans who would consider Tonali one of the best mids in the EPL, by the way. He moved Bruno out of the DM spot and Tonali is now their single-pivot DM, the role he supposedly can't play.

My point is this: if Redbird are supposed to be good at business, and they got pushed around by... Reijnders? What happened to ruthlessness? What happened to the American corporate culture of competency?

All the people who led us to these problems are still employed here.

You keep bringing up Gravenberch.
He wasn't sold to Newcastle. Liverpool valued him at 40M, that's got nothing to do with Tonali's valuation.
Your closest comparison should have been Bruno Guimarães, who was bought for 40M. So half of what Tonali was bought for. Tonali being the best Mid in the EPL this past season also has nothing to do with what he was valued at when we sold him.

Just like how Kerkez being sold for peanuts at the time has nothing to do with his value 5 years down the line now that Liverpool are looking to buy.

 

[AndreiX]

SMS is more of a perfect Deers replacement then RLC,
RLC basically has 0 impact on this team, anyone can replace him.

RLC's "physicality" is one of the biggest myths of the last few years. Dude provides less of a presence than brahim Diaz

He stayed on his feet like twice
in 3 seasons and highlights people forgot all the dainty sht he does week in week out. Doesn't matter how he's built, he simply doesn't have the heart to go into challanges or for contested balls properly

 

[Tantalis]

Sir Sandro was priceless and we got ripped off.

 

[Ryo]

RLC's "physicality" is one of the biggest myths of the last few years. Dude provides less of a presence than brahim Diaz

He stayed on his feet like twice
in 3 seasons and highlights people forgot all the dainty sht he does week in week out.

RLC's physicality is only felt in the treatment room when the nurses told him to clench his butt-cheeks before taking blood samples.

His first year's uselessness was papered over because of his 10 goals and 2 assists, but he just didn't fit in the system. He has a particular skill set, but it doesn't fit the mold of what we want him to do.

With Fofana or Tiji, even when we ran them into the ground or when they weren't playing well, you could tell that they weren't unbalancing the team.

 

[Samaldinho]

You keep bringing up Gravenberch.
He wasn't sold to Newcastle. Liverpool valued him at 40M, that's got nothing to do with Tonali's valuation.
Your closest comparison should have been Bruno Guimarães, who was bought for 40M. So half of what Tonali was bought for. Tonali being the best Mid in the EPL this past season also has nothing to do with what he was valued at when we sold him.

Just like how Kerkez being sold for peanuts at the time has nothing to do with his value 5 years down the line now that Liverpool are looking to buy.

What are you talking about? I bring him up because he is a comparable player in the same market. Same year. Same window.

You're telling me I can only bring up Newcastle sales now to deal with what we sold Tonali for?

Half? Bruno was bought for 40m sterling. We got what 49m pounds sterling for Tonali, in a market where Caicedo went for 115 million pounds sterling, from Brighton.

Lol, you want to bring up City's spending?

It has nothing to do with Kerkez, we are talking about very good midfielders who were sold to teams that have a lot of money. Tonali has very clear comps in several players, Enzo, Caicedo, Gravenberch, Endo, and Tchouameni the following year.

 

[Ryo]

What are you talking about? I bring him up because he is a comparable player in the same market. Same year. Same window.

You're telling me I can only bring up Newcastle sales now to deal with what we sold Tonali for?

Half? Bruno was bought for 40m sterling. We got what 49m pounds sterling for Tonali, in a market where Caicedo went for 115 million pounds sterling, from Brighton.

Lol, you want to bring up City's spending?

It has nothing to do with Kerkez, we are talking about very good midfielders who were sold to teams that have a lot of money. Tonali has very clear comps in several players, Enzo, Caicedo, Gravenberch, Endo, and Tchouameni the following year.

Same Summer, Newcastle offered to buy Barella, the 22/23 season Best Serie A Midfielder for 50M pounds. Merda said no, but Newcastle never went any higher. Instead they moved on to Tonali for 70M + 10M.

Same buyer (Newcastle).
Same mercato.
Barella Serie A MVP and best Midfielder vs Tonali who wasn't even the best midfielder in Milan that season (it was Bennacer).

Tonali that season wasn't valued at more than 40M to 50M. We got 70M + 10M for him.

 

[grandeacm2]

Back then we had Kaka orphans
Now we have Tonali and Tiji orphans

How low we have fallen

 

[Samaldinho]

Same Summer, Newcastle offered to buy Barella, the 22/23 season Best Serie A Midfielder for 50M pounds. Merda said no, but Newcastle never went any higher. Instead they moved on to Tonali for 70M + 10M.

Same buyer (Newcastle).
Same mercato.
Barella Serie A MVP and best Midfielder vs Tonali who wasn't even the best midfielder in Milan that season (it was Bennacer).

Tonali that season wasn't valued at more than 40M to 50M. We got 70M + 10M for him.

So Inter rejected a low-ball offer but we accepted and this does what to your point?

Tonali was valued at more than what you said, Newcastle paid that, and we should have gotten more.

Plus, we only got 58m euros for Tonali, not the 70m+10m that you said, that is incorrect, that is what Gerry said, but he was wrong.

Was Gravenberch worth 40m?