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You're using Balotelli's goals/assists stats to back up the fact he contributed, which is fine.

But don't you ignore those for Bonaventura and discuss all his limitations? Which is fine too, but then you'd have to consider the negative aspect of Balotelli's performances previously as well.

absolutely correct and spot on. you're absolutely right when you say I rated Balo and Jack differently. but let's take a minute and see why shall we?

i currently don't have a memory or videos of all of balo's performances in his City and Inter days nor does anyone here, so rating his every performance from years ago is rather impossible.... so all I currently have to bring to the table is his goals+assists in the past.


however, I've rated Bonaventura's performances this season after every game. Just check out the player's thread and you'll see me criticizing him (the only 1) even when he scores or assists in a game because for me, the goal doesn't automatically erase the rest of the awful performance he puts in. For 90% of football fans it does though. Galliani, Berlusconi and Miha seem to fall in that 90% - the sporting results over the last 3 years are evidently poor which must mean our sporting evaluation is poor too - as Honda pointed out before he got permabenched for a few months.


Anyways, there's a difference between rating a players performance and his decisiveness. Alo88 said Balo wasn't decisive for Inter nor City when they won the titles and I only provided numbers of the goals to show him that Balo was in fact decisive. I didn't claim that his performances in each of the games were great in Inter & City. I do claim that Bonaventura's performances this season have been horrendous, but 2-3 years from now no one will remember how horrendous Bona's performances were cause all they'll remember are the statistics of his season. They'll just see games played, goals scored, goals assisted.
 

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Dude. When you're so annoyed then why do you answer with such a wall of text no one is going to read?

I appreciated your opinions and thoughts in the past, but since some weeks you are on crazy pills and it's hard to discuss with you. Probably since you began your rants against Jack and a big part of the board called you out for that you are hyper-aggressive towards different opinions. Maybe you should have a break from this board for your own health ffs

I could say something like Balo was not decisive for all those teams despite your goals/assists stats, that there were others carrying the team, that the first time he got real responsibility to carry a team was with us, that it lasted 4 months and then he began to fuck up and annoy even our management. You're telling me to show you reports about how his off the pitch behaviour influenced his career (in recent time if you want) - well, if you still haven't figured out that his behaviour caused problems in every club he played and even at the worldcup in Brazil with the italian NT 1,5 years ago then I'm afraid to tell you that you are the one who's biased.

Now at this point I think we are stuck. If you are going to post a wall of a rant then you better just ignore this post (or even me, I don't fucking care). I hope to see one day the more rational and chilled Hitman again which posts I really enjoyed eventhough I not always agreed, not this angry bird version of you.
 
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i personally think mario hasn't been playing on purpose to lower his price from liverpool. imo next year is when we will see the real mario. even his injury to me was very sceptical
 

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i personally think mario hasn't been playing on purpose to lower his price from liverpool. imo next year is when we will see the real mario. even his injury to me was very sceptical

Welcome back Zeus!!!
 

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He'll be 26 with a treble under his belt, an EPL title and played for his national team and was very important in their run to the final of the Euros.

Not many 26 year olds can claim that. Especially not many Italian 26 year olds that are as talented and are actually fans of the club.


I think 70-65 minutes is a fair amount of time given in a game to have a significant impact. If a player comes on from the bench he is forced to play with his team mates who are already much more tired than he is and are already psychologically drained and are either in the a) let's sit back and hold on to the score line mood or b) WE MUST SCORE NAO mood. Both those moods make it difficult for substitutes to come in and make an impact (but absolutely not a good enough excuse for subs NOT to play well, they must make every minute count, this is why I don't rate Bonaventura and am getting increasingly frustrated with Bacca).

How many times has Balotelli played more than 60 minutes compared to the games he was eligible to start this season? Isn't that a fair metric to measure whether he has been given enough chances? I'm not talking about whether he deserves them or not, I'm saying how many chances did he get - period.

I'll be waiting for the answer. Maybe I shouldn't because you'll probably disappear when you find that number just like any Balo hater would.

Mario's talented and a fan of the club but he's got to put it out there, this spell or last spell, Balotelli has got to put it out there. He must. His numbers may or may not impress people, but I think as it sits Balotelli will struggle to get to another main club. Which is sad should that happen.

He may of only played 4-5 games of 65+ mins, however he looked solid in 1, not bad in the other and the rest, in my view not so good.
I actually support anyone wearing the Milan shirt, be it Balo, Bonera, Vogel, Dharsoo or Kaka, Rui Costa, Donadoni. However, may main point with Mario is he should never of come back unless he was to be an impact sub, which may of been the plan all along. I mean who knows WTF management think and Bacca + Luiz had also just arrived. I don't blame Mario. It's not entirely his fault. But the guy desperately needs to grab his chances be it a full game, 65mins or 15mins. Mario is the one that needs to make it impossible for Miha to leave him out of the XI. That said, Miha makes judgement on what he sees on the training pitch too no doubt. Miha might see bad habits in Balo, he might not think Balo fits vs whomever, maybe Miha doesn't like Balo or he just doesn't play him because Miha himself is stubborn as fuck ( that's a different topic anyway ). Some people make a habit of coming off the bench and impacting.
Look at Pippo , JDT also use to impact for us off the bench.

You're intelligent to know what I'm saying here Hitman.

Again, you can like Balotelli and support him all you like, you can justify him and anything else. Me? Like 3/4 of the squad, I don't believe Mario Balotelli should be at AC Milan. But, I do hope that He and the others can put AC Milan in the best positions possible. That's how you earn your chances and start getting the fans onside more. Honda and Monto are examples of how working changed there fortunes somewhat. Cerci was shit but was still getting starts then Honda works and did well in games and probably training and helped us with your good run. Balo needs to do that.
 

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He may of only played 4-5 games of 65+ mins, however he looked solid in 1, not bad in the other and the rest, in my view not so good.

Honda and Monto are examples of how working changed there fortunes somewhat. Cerci was shit but was still getting starts then Honda works and did well in games and probably training and helped us with your good run. Balo needs to do that.


Balotelli played only one Serie A game for more than 45 minutes, that's quite different from playing 4-5 games with more than 60 minutes.

Monto is someone I would've sacrificed ages ago. The effort is there but he simply is not good enough - exactly like De Jong.
 
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yes because serie a is a very clean league and the heads of the leagues/clubs are all legitimate, ethical businessman especially berlusconi and galliani. if theres one thing about milan is what's reported in the news and what happens behind the scenes are always two different things.this is just like when people were convinced lance armstrong was full natty brah (lol). i could be completely wrong or completely right in my accusation, but for a club like milan with the shady people that are behind it especially with someone as senile as raiola, it wouldn't phase me.
 

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yes because serie a is a very clean league and the heads of the leagues/clubs are all legitimate, ethical businessman especially berlusconi and galliani. if theres one thing about milan is what's reported in the news and what happens behind the scenes are always two different things.this is just like when people were convinced lance armstrong was full natty brah (lol). i could be completely wrong or completely right in my accusation, but for a club like milan with the shady people that are behind it especially with someone as senile as raiola, it wouldn't phase me.

Zuesftw? Welcome back :lol:
 

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Balotelli played only one Serie A game for more than 45 minutes, that's quite different from playing 4-5 games with more than 60 minutes.

Monto is someone I would've sacrificed ages ago. The effort is there but he simply is not good enough - exactly like De Jong.

Balotelli has got to make a stand on the pitch no matter how much time he gets. Supposedly he will start vs Jube so lets see.


agree 100% on Monto. I wouldn't extend him ( and if I did it would be 1 year), I would let him walk in June.
 

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Balotelli has got to make a stand on the pitch no matter how much time he gets. Supposedly he will start vs Jube so lets see.


agree 100% on Monto. I wouldn't extend him ( and if I did it would be 1 year), I would let him walk in June.

i absolutely agree about Mario (and any other sub). Anyone who comes in must make an impact - no excuses.

BUT, you must be considerate and understand that a player needs to find his match fitness after a long time out and him getting only more than 45 minutes in one Serie A game is not helping him.

Balo this year has played a total of 435 minutes (in all competitions) getting 3 goals thus a ratio of 1 goal every 145 minutes.

Bona: 1 goal per 423.333 minutes (total mins played this season= 2540 mins)
Bacca: 1 goal per 183.57 minutes (2570 mins)
Adriano: 1 goal per 249.5 minutes (998 mins)
Niang: 1 goal per 232.4 minutes (1162 mins)

While these stats don't mean Balotelli is better than those 4, but it definitely puts things into perspective doesn't it? If you see how people talk about him and notice that he has the best goal per minutes played ratio despite playing the least amount of time it really puts people's justifications of his criticism into question.
 
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Balo this year has played a total of 435 minutes (in all competitions) getting 3 goals thus a ratio of 1 goal every 145 minutes.


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While these stats don't mean Balotelli is better than those 4, but it definitely puts things into perspective doesn't it? If you see how people talk about him and notice that he has the best goal per minutes played ratio despite playing the least amount of time it really puts people's justifications of his criticism into question.


Aren't you always saying that people should stop looking at goals/assists stats and look on the overall performance?

IMO the goal/minute stats between two players can be compared only if the amount of overall played minutes is more or less the same too. If Mauri plays on saturday and he scores in the 30th minute he'd have a 1 goal per 30 minutes stat too, that doesn't mean he's a goalmachine (you know what I'm trying to say).

Moreover Balo is a striker, his main job on the field is scoring or creating scoring chances for himself, Jack is played as midfielder therefore you don't expect from him to be our top scorer 'cause it's not his mainjob.

Let me add, as I already said some posts ago, if Balo has the same impact as a sub like in the Atalanta game and he runs and chases ball everytime like in those ~30 mins he played, there is nothing to complain about him. It's his non-chalant walking arond the pitch that bothered me in the last months, and that's a problem of attitude, not of fitness. I'm rude towards him because he definitely had enough chances and now it's on him to prove his real value and not on others always trying to find explications and excuses. He get's payed royaly for doing his job, I think it's OK to expect nothing less than the maximum effort and grinta at least from a professional football player like him.
 

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He's right, except he is trying to lower the price for his ultimate destination of either Middle East or China.

I don't care what he does, we should rid ourselves of this cancer and move forward.

^this^ :thumbsup::star:
 

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I....think....he.....scored......2 goals......in.....the....last......2.....seasons
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It was an 'OK' performance. He's finding step by step the right way I hope. Droped at times too much in midfield so that he wasn't in the box when he should be. But it's getting better. Unlucky when Buffon blocked his FK and a little but ungenious when he didn't score the easy tap-in after Baccas shot who was again blocked by Buffon.
 

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The San Siro public booed Balo's substitution because they thought he had been the best attacker yesterday- GDS

Balo did a lot of the dirty work yesterday- Mihajlovic
 

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The San Siro public booed Balo's substitution because they thought he had been the best attacker yesterday- GDS

Balo did a lot of the dirty work yesterday- Mihajlovic

how does GDS come up with a conclusion like this? it's not like they've surveyed the audience so their answer is pretty much an opinion.

yesterday you mentioned that he could've been booed cause of the instagram pic during Cesare's memorial?
 

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how does GDS come up with a conclusion like this? it's not like they've surveyed the audience so their answer is pretty much an opinion.

yesterday you mentioned that he could've been booed cause of the instagram pic during Cesare's memorial?

Yeah, fair question. I guess their journalists who were there picked up on the sentiment of a certain section?

Milannews reported something similar, saying that he was applauded by the crowd, who appreciated his commitment and performance.

My comment yesterday was more my speculation sitting at home watching on TV. He got criticized in some quarters for that picture, so I thought it was related to that.
 

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I love it, how he is working hard, when he need from pigeon to give him 4M per year :lol:

Get rid of that rotten apple
 

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haters gonna be so mad when we'll buy him
 

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haters gonna be so mad when we'll buy him

Are you an AC MILAN fan? it seems that you aren't.

How can a real fan would want to bring a player that makes 6 Million a year and that he is a backup at best when his whole career it has been nothing but hype.
 

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correction: haters already mad
 

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tbh i liked what I saw from him yesterday.
Wake up mario ffs. you clearly have the potentials to be a world class. :fp:
 

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ffs when i saw him play yesterday... :head:
we need to ship him out ASAP
 

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SWAG all the way.
Might as well buy back Muntari and buy Boa and Fellaini. Shit results but we are going to have swag..................all the way to serie B.

besides Congo no one wants that
swag has nothing to do with this
Balo is the best and realistic striker we can get
 

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