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There was one super pass by Tonali to release Messias in the derby first leg and I had this feeling that he might be under utilised in a deeper role. He also has the stamina to press and harass opposition deep lying playmaker for whole 90 mins.
He might be our in house solution to Pioli's AM position.
Maybe or simply box to box.
What he isnt is an anchor & neither is Ben.
But dayyyyymmmm if Tona learned how to dictate tempo.
 
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Besides the Adli bait, I think it also comes down to drilling a bit

So many times I watch this team and the players have no idea where they're supposed to be. They often pass expecting a teammate to be in a certain position to start a movement and there's no one there. Like you could tell me the only possession/passing drill done in training is the rondo and I'd believe you

That + the great emphasis on trying to beat everyone in 1v1 situations when you only have two players capable of that is a recipe for constant turnovers

Like I've said before this style simply doesn't and won't work at the highest levels
I bring up Adli to remind you not to completely hate me.

But not utilizing someone like Adli, or even the utility of a midfielder in the CAM spot, points to something worse than an absence of attacking patterns (which as you point out [and I agree with] is horrific)... to me the larger issue is that he doesn't seem to understand what makes his favored system work, he genuinely doesn't seem to even understand what works in his own system.

Liverpool's peak is seen as this swashbuckling, pressing machine--and to be honest, they were. Klopp understood he needed to bring some more possession in the side, which is why he brought in Thiago--but it's also why he kept Firmino in the side for so long, because while Mane and Salah were marauding up-and-down, while their midfield ran their asses off... Firmino was the major link in building-up play, because he could facilitate play. To conduct things and guide that onslaught of players rushing forward.

Let's say Pioli wants to do that, but he doesn't seem to get how it even works. Mane and Salah (in particular) are underrated passers, but I think the problem is that all these runs, these missed passes, they're down to Pioli not getting "hey, if my two passers are also my two workhorses, and if all my attackers are unable to pass it 5 feet, I might have a problem."

It's why Brahim looks so much better on the wing, because his job is so much simpler. Even Brahim being a little more of a playmaker rather than an out-and-out winger/forward on the right works because he's not tasked with as much orchestration.

Yes, there seems to be a distinct lack in the patterns of play. But Giroud is not doing his France link-up play here, let alone emulating Firmino's role, and the fact that Pioli isn't seeing the issues worries me.

If Pioli stays, I hope he irons these things out--because the only excuse I can give him is that the pressure had gotten to him, and this will be a learning experience, just like Carlo's time at Juventus altered his methods, I hope this is a learning year for Pioli, because I genuinely believe this squad can do much better than it has, and I think with a few more additions, they can be a very strong team. And I don't want Pioli to hold the team back, even if I appreciate what he's done to get it to this point.
 
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It's going to take some years to build selling ability.

Selling ability goes hand-and-hand with buying ability. If you don't overspend when you buy (transfer fees + excessive wages), it becomes easier to sell. Milan up to the last couple of years was flooded with overpaid players, even if we initially maybe didn't spend a whole lot on transfer fees to acquire these players. Add the horrible performances of that era, and who the heck would buy overpaid but underperforming players.

We are in a better situation now. If we choose to, we could easily make capital gains on many of our players. The problem is, we are not in a position to sell off high-performing players that also don't cost us an arm and a leg in wages because we'll have to replace them. Think Theo, Tomori, Mike, Leao, Tonali....

I think the bread and butter with selling comes at the "medium level" players. Salad, Messias and Rebic for example. They are not pivotal to the squad future, yet they are not drastically overpaid so they might actually have a market. On top of that, apart from Rebic (this season), all 3 have performed good enough for clubs out there to spend 10-15mil on each of them (maybe not Messias due to age - but it'd be reasonable to expect at least 30m from those 3), which would actually be a capital gain compared to what they were bought for.

I think this Is the first summer where we can see what Maldini can do when it comes to selling. Assuming we already have funds to reinforce the squad and add depth, so therefore selling players becomes more of a supplemental thing rather than THE source of funding.
 
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Chelsea have scored 38 PL goals all season. 🤣
How can that be? The prevailing theory here is that you just have to spend money - like Chelsea. 😅😅

 
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The scudetto of the books again won by Milan! Wohoooo! Let's go...
 
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The scouting done by Porto, Benfica and Sporting is just out of this world.

Every fucking summer at least one of these clubs sell a player for over under 100m. Hats off.
Not so much their scouting as their marketing. Sure they find nice players, but they're able to shop them in the Champions League each season without fail because the level of the Portuguese Primeira isn't high. They also loan a lot of players to lower sides and then bring them back when ready, then put them in the Champions League. A couple of good performances and suddenly English clubs are salivating. Darwin Nunez, for example, is a good player but nowhere near the hype he got. His performances for Liverpool bear that out.
 

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The scudetto of the books again won by Milan! Wohoooo! Let's go...
We all laugh now, but if in 5 years we're in the midst of a long winning cycle ala Bayern people won't remember the austerity measures it took to start that process.
 
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DiStefano : “Attacker? The policy seems clear to me: Milan will sign a 20-25-30M player. He doesn't want, can't and it's not club policy to spend 90M on Vlahovic. He wants a top that can become even stronger in the future, à la Leao. I name a name: Hojlund”

I assume he means a player like Hojlund who can explode and not actually Hojlund costing 30m lol
 
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We all laugh now, but if in 5 years we're in the midst of a long winning cycle ala Bayern people won't remember the austerity measures it took to start that process.
It has to happen first - we could very well be right where we are now with money clubs still over us.

Great books does not equal titles and people keep repeating it like it's gospel. We are not Bayern and probably will never be Bayern but at least Juve's punishment may allow us to get a few more players in the interim.

Once again for the people that can't follow - not saying having great financial stability is bad but this mythical success X years from now isn't guaranteed either.
 
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I bring up Adli to remind you not to completely hate me.

But not utilizing someone like Adli, or even the utility of a midfielder in the CAM spot, points to something worse than an absence of attacking patterns (which as you point out [and I agree with] is horrific)... to me the larger issue is that he doesn't seem to understand what makes his favored system work, he genuinely doesn't seem to even understand what works in his own system.

Liverpool's peak is seen as this swashbuckling, pressing machine--and to be honest, they were. Klopp understood he needed to bring some more possession in the side, which is why he brought in Thiago--but it's also why he kept Firmino in the side for so long, because while Mane and Salah were marauding up-and-down, while their midfield ran their asses off... Firmino was the major link in building-up play, because he could facilitate play. To conduct things and guide that onslaught of players rushing forward.

Let's say Pioli wants to do that, but he doesn't seem to get how it even works. Mane and Salah (in particular) are underrated passers, but I think the problem is that all these runs, these missed passes, they're down to Pioli not getting "hey, if my two passers are also my two workhorses, and if all my attackers are unable to pass it 5 feet, I might have a problem."

It's why Brahim looks so much better on the wing, because his job is so much simpler. Even Brahim being a little more of a playmaker rather than an out-and-out winger/forward on the right works because he's not tasked with as much orchestration.

Yes, there seems to be a distinct lack in the patterns of play. But Giroud is not doing his France link-up play here, let alone emulating Firmino's role, and the fact that Pioli isn't seeing the issues worries me.

If Pioli stays, I hope he irons these things out--because the only excuse I can give him is that the pressure had gotten to him, and this will be a learning experience, just like Carlo's time at Juventus altered his methods, I hope this is a learning year for Pioli, because I genuinely believe this squad can do much better than it has, and I think with a few more additions, they can be a very strong team. And I don't want Pioli to hold the team back, even if I appreciate what he's done to get it to this point.
As one of the original Adli champions I think it's over buddy, Samp was the nail. Pioli is staying another year and hopefully Adli can go on loan and come back under a new manager. Until then he's not worth discussing

You know even if you assume Liverpool's from a few years ago to be the peak of football tactically, which I don't, I just don't see it being feasible for Milan. The level of physical tax caused by that style is fairly substantial. Milan neither has the staff nor the depth to facilitate it. If Pioli wants to commit to that style he should apply for jobs at an oil club because not even Liverpool could sustain it

I have zero expectations for Pioli. My hope is the squad is reinforced in a way where his stupid ideas won't hinder the goals next season

Which probably won't happen
 
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They had him in Muani but for an uknown reason they didnt get him.
It was a classic MMM move.
I dont get this one honestly.
Now we have a chance on Thuram , lets see.
 
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Any other club would’ve sacked whoever was responsible for this mercato. I hope we move away from nepotism under Gerry going into the future. Inexcusable. Can’t blame budget when you spend most of it wishing upon a star that cdk will be a success based off few cameos in UCL. Maldini is a bigger danger than Pioli.
Cry more bitch
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It has to happen first - we could very well be right where we are now with money clubs still over us.

Great books does not equal titles and people keep repeating it like it's gospel. We are not Bayern and probably will never be Bayern but at least Juve's punishment may allow us to get a few more players in the interim.

Once again for the people that can't follow - not saying having great financial stability is bad but this mythical success X years from now isn't guaranteed either.
It can be guaranteed if your SD is flawless pulling Theo's & Mike's each mercato.
But MM has shown they are far from perfect.
Am really curious what MM we will get next season.
 
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People making fun of our finances becoming healthier and healthier is just mind-boggling.

This is obviously creating stronger and stronger foundations for the future.
Yeah I really don't get it. You all know poor economy made us suffer during the Banter era. Or when we spent recklessly during the Yong Li era. I'm sure we will spend more this summer than we did last summer and improve the squad.
 
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People forget we were fucked by UEFA and are still, almost inexplicably, under close watch by them despite increasing revenue like 100M and cutting expenses drastically.

Getting the club’s financial house in order is something to be praised, not dismissed or laughed at.

It’s incredibly impressive that this club has won a Scudetto, finished 2nd and probably 4th this season with a CL SF run all while spending substantially less than our competitors not only in Europe but domestically.
 
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It can be guaranteed if your SD is flawless pulling Theo's & Mike's each mercato.
But MM has shown they are far from perfect.
Am really curious what MM we will get next season.
I just want owners to also give money (know you don't fully agree) because what good is great financial standing if we keep picking up free players.

Great scouting for the cheaper players but also get some ready to go in demand players that will cost money.
 
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It has to happen first - we could very well be right where we are now with money clubs still over us.

Great books does not equal titles and people keep repeating it like it's gospel. We are not Bayern and probably will never be Bayern but at least Juve's punishment may allow us to get a few more players in the interim.

Once again for the people that can't follow - not saying having great financial stability is bad but this mythical success X years from now isn't guaranteed either.
Preach Brother!!!

All of the positivity force and #DaPlan groupies simply cannot grasp that linear success is never a thing.
It is fanciful and ultimately illogical thinking.

City have been well managed and have near infinite resources....but they don't win all the time.
Now imagine us without that king of spending. Even if we have a decent-ish team, we could get hit
by injuries, a team that has a great year like Napoli/Leicester, or some incomplete team signs a
super duper player like Leao and one-man-teams it to the finish line.

brk was against me saying that Milan should push for the Scudetto last year with Inter weakened,
in his mind we were gradually building to construct a team that would be able to challenge on all fronts
What happened was that we capitalized on a weakened Inter and Leao+Inshallahed our way to #19
And I'm so fucking glad we did, because we're several levels behind Inter AND Napoli (recent victories notwithstanding)

Jaws' "winning cycle" Milan is pie-in-the-sky stuff that's almost impossible without serious, consistent capital expenditure.
 
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Ffs play football :fp:
They train 3-4 hours a day... What are they supposed to do rest of the day? Sit and watch the walls in their houses?

I applaud footballers that do side things, especially a thing like vlogging that directly interacts with fans.
 
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They had him in Muani but for an uknown reason they didnt get him.
It was a classis MMM move.
I dont get this one honestly.
Now we have a chance on Thuram , lets see.
Cheikh Fall, a transfer broker, said this in response to claims that Milan "gave up" or that Milan preferred Origi, by saying this about Milan and Kolo Muani:

“Milan were there, they tried. But the boy wanted to go to Germany. He wanted to try the German league because of the spaces due to his characteristics. Milan, however, did everything,”
 
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Cheikh Fall, a transfer broker, said this in response to claims that Milan "gave up" or that Milan preferred Origi, by saying this about Milan and Kolo Muani:

“Milan were there, they tried. But the boy wanted to go to Germany. He wanted to try the German league because of the spaces due to his characteristics. Milan, however, did everything,”
I stand corrected.
Its a conversation KO when you read things like this or when Kerkez said he didnt mind playing behind Theo.
 

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I stand corrected.
Its a conversation KO when you read things like this or when Kerkez said he didnt mind playing behind Theo.
Yeah, I'm not going down the rabbit hole of Kerkez with you.

He's said he (and his father) wanted to move, several times. He even wanted to talk shit about Milan on his way out. What a guy.
 
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It has to happen first - we could very well be right where we are now with money clubs still over us.

Great books does not equal titles and people keep repeating it like it's gospel. We are not Bayern and probably will never be Bayern but at least Juve's punishment may allow us to get a few more players in the interim.

Once again for the people that can't follow - not saying having great financial stability is bad but this mythical success X years from now isn't guaranteed either.
You have to look at the context here and be realistic. Milan isn't owned by a bored billionaire or an oil state, the only way forward under this ownership is healthy financials

For this club atm, great books = a higher likelihood of sporting success

Atm I'm just happy the club is close to posting a profit because it increases the likelihood of investment going towards improving the club/team rather than covering losses
 
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