The Rumour Commode XLI: Ragnarok

[Rossonero81]

So apparently Maldini wanted to sign Han Solo to manage the team?

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@Samaldinho

He looks like a god damn leprechaun next to Paolo.

 

[Deep Fried Pizza & Chips]

He looks like a god damn leprechaun next to Paolo.

 

[ACM14061988]

Hugo Ekitike is the last name that came out

 

[papaberlu]

If Maldini wanted Berardi that badly he could have gotten him on much more favorable terms many times before this summer.

Would Maldini really want Arnautovic if he had the money that his cost cutting and squad building should allow him?

I hate both of them, famously, but justifying firing Maldini on those rumors is... flimsy in my view.

I am basing the majority of my opinion on what is happening, the choices of ownership and the faith put in Pioli, who I think was comically poor in 2023.

Billy Beane is actually going to be part of the decision making process, and I'm supposed to believe in the competence of this new ownership group?

Can't wait to be wrong. I don't want to be Dortmund or Tottenham. I want to win.

Well I harp on it because it shows the obvious and drastic clash in views

I mean I dunno it could have worked both are proven players in Italy but clearly that's not what the governing body wants

You know I've been reading up on Billy Beane's involvement in clears throat SOCCER so far...want a quick rundown?

 

[Wild]

Moncada is in control now. Stop crying. Get your too tight black Armani Exchange sleeveless shirt that I know all you Lebanese have and prepare yourself for Moncada and Billy Beane masterclass.

Pioli is in control now. Enjoy your time in the sun.

 

[Rossonero81]

One thing is for sure. We don't know nothing. We are riding on media speculations. Nothing more. Media is trying to tell us something about Maldini situation, but they know shit.
Nobody knows what happend except Maldini and Gerry.

We know shit about budget, Piolis backstabbing and everything else.

Lets be calm and smart.

Somehow I get the feeling that this advise is mostly aimed at yourself.

 

[papaberlu]

Hugo Ekitike is the last name that came out

Moncada gonna bring me my guy Hugo?

 

[pippofan]

He formed a militia that took pisa and lost it to the Medicis backed by the pope a few years later.

His military prowess and command are not noteworthy. His words in the prince are. It was he who advised others to use your own people and not hire mercenary's to build an army. He advised to lie to the Pope about your servitude to God to receive his blessings, gold, and armies. He blew the gasket on the politicians way of cunning, bribery, and other foul play. This is why we study Machiavelli. He's the only politician to tell the commoner how it is. We study men like Alexander, Caeser, William, etc to give us incite how how to be a great leader of men. We study Machiavelli to open our minds to the corruption that gets these men there. Both are necessary.

Well, I'm somewhat of an history buff and respect your knowledge on the subject. One of the historical figures that I admire the most is Julius Caesar both as a soldier and statesman. Unfortunately his popularity with the masses did him in because they feared that he had ambitions of becoming an emperor which would spell the end of the republic and for that was stabbed to death. It turned out to be in vain because his adopted, (after death) son Octavius became emperor Caesar Augustus and so the republic ceased to exist anyway. Augustus, for whom the month of August was named, turned out to a great emperor but his successors like Tiberius, Caligula, Nero and others were terrible.
One of my favorite series of all time is "Roma" on HBO that unfortunately lasted only two seasons. I thought it was awesome: the nudity, the gore, the plots, the history, everything you'd want in a show.

 

[ForzaSandro]

This was the moment when i thought Huntelaar career trajectory would change in Milan. That 2nd goal was class, but it just never happened

I'll never forget the second goal. I was so excited, I reasoned he'd be our own David Trezeguet, scoring beautiful goals for us. Then Leo decided to play him as a RW.

 

[abritcemeng]

Okay, Quite good

 

[Deep Fried Pizza & Chips]

@Tantalis



@Samaldinho the kid gets on base....

@VultureSheva you got any stats on this kid?

Quick feet, good tache!!!

I'm sold, RW confirmed...

 

[abritcemeng]

They were promoted from Ligue 2, to avoid relegation and win the french Cup is not bad for the first year

Hopefully we have patience to wait this New idea works

 

[Soldier_of_god]

well, if your braindead and i have to explain it for you as to a second grader, by your logic it's atalanta who we will becoming, a club with no real ambitions, just to survive, who will sell their best player every transfer window, reinvest part of the money, and maybe finish top four from time to time.
so, again, kindly, gtfo

Ah ok. You feel good now because you learnt a few words from your mom's basement. Cool bud.

As for milan. I am fully on board with pioli. Waiting to see how it all pans out. I hope Gerry knows what he is doing.

 

[Cloren]

Just read between the lines.
Did he ask for full power ?
What did he do with it ?
Easy decision.

Yes but he could also have been fired for asking for more budget and Redbird refused. That’s my worry. If bigger budget is offered but RB condition was to work as a team and Maldini refused then okay fair enough to dismiss him.

So Moncada gets a bigger budget I’ll be fine. But it’s very little and his expectations of maintaining that measly salary cap then I’m concerned because a top club can’t afford to maintain €5m salary cap for our best player

I’m also not a fan of their policy of only buying young players. An elite teams needs experience to work with, that’s what Maldini wanted. An area which I completely agree with.

Maldini also wanted Pioli gone, another area I completely agree with.

Based on reports we can assume the following:

Maldini wanted to fire Pioli (right imo)

Maldini wanted more power, refuse to share the load - Maldini wrong

Maldini wanted more budget and more experienced players - Maldini right (we made a CL SF, more budget can be afforded)

I do agree with one thing of RB, one man can’t run the show. If RB wanted Pioli/Furlaini/Moncada to get more involved I can support that.

 

[Wild]

I really likes rumors after the tsunami has settled.
No more Diaz nor Arna.
Thuram is mentioned a lot & Pulisic who has a EU passport.
I need to see about the later though.

 

[Samaldinho]

Well I harp on it because it shows the obvious and drastic clash in views

I mean I dunno it could have worked both are proven players in Italy but clearly that's not what the governing body wants

You know I've been reading up on Billy Beane's involvement in clears throat SOCCER so far...want a quick rundown?

Pioli specifically didn't play CDK on the RW when every Belgian coach and expert said that is where he should play.

Pioli's tactics required a passer at CAM, and he had one of the most creative young players in Europe in Adli and played him 144 minutes in total. Did Maldini force Brahim to play as the CAM no matter what?

You're telling me Vranckx was a Maldini choice but Thiaw was a Moncada choice then? Maldini is suddenly fixated on the Italian market only, but for some reason has an obsession with Brugge and the captain of the Belgian u21 team?

Or maybe Pioli is an incompetent moron?

Like, I'm sorry they're giving more credence to Pioli who suddenly isn't at fault for his demonstrable incompetence.

And yes, I'm aware of Billy Beane's theories about soccer unfortunately. He helped AZ, where... an ugly Hungarian LB plays.

I can't wait for the brilliance of Beane and Pioli to combine together to bring the next Vranckx for Pioli to masterfully sit on the bench, and blame Maldini for it.

 

[Wild]

Yes but he could also have been fired for asking for more budget and Redbird refused. That’s my worry. If bigger budget is offered but RB condition was to work as a team and Maldini refused then okay fair enough to dismiss him.

So Moncada gets a bigger budget I’ll be fine. But it’s very little and his expectations of maintaining that measly salary cap then I’m concerned because a top club can’t afford to maintain €5m salary cap for our best player

I’m also not a fan of their policy of only buying young players. An elite teams needs experience to work with, that’s what Maldini wanted. An area which I completely agree with.

Maldini also wanted Pioli gone, another area I completely agree with.

Based on reports we can assume the following:

Maldini wanted to fire Pioli (right imo)

Maldini wanted more power, refuse to share the load - Maldini wrong

Maldini wanted more budget and more experienced players - Maldini right (we made a CL SF, more budget can be afforded)

I do agree with one thing of RB, one man can’t run the show. If RB wanted Pioli/Furlaini/Moncada to get more involved I can support that.

Maldini failed on a 50mil budget because of choices, RB had every right to refuse giving more.
I wasted 50mil , give me more.
Get the fuck out , do good with 50mil & then ask 100mil to do great.
Smart choices are way better than having x4 the money , said that when we had corruption money.
I am curious to see Moncada with the same budget before i dream of increasing it.

Maldini renewed Pioli & now wanna replace him.
Maldini was better fire himself because he failed Pioli.
If we wanna believe those news anyway then Maldini wanted Pirlo , i repeat PIRLO.

 

[Samaldinho]

@Tantalis



@Samaldinho the kid gets on base....

@VultureSheva you got any stats on this kid?

Quick feet, good tache!!!

I'm sold, RW confirmed...

Quick, call Billy Beane and see if he can play soccer.

 

[Shiby]

No way Maldini would bring Pirlo.

Its so obvious these stories are being written just to apologize the firing and calm the fans down. Its bullshit.

 

[Tantalis]

Well, I'm somewhat of an history buff and respect your knowledge on the subject. One of the historical figures that I admire the most is Julius Caesar both as a soldier and statesman. Unfortunately his popularity with the masses did him in because they feared that he had ambitions of becoming an emperor which would spell the end of the republic and for that was stabbed to death. It turned out to be in vain because his adopted, (after death) son Octavius became emperor Caesar Augustus and so the republic ceased to exist anyway. Augustus, for whom the month of August was named, turned out to a great emperor but his successors like Tiberius, Caligula, Nero and others were terrible.
One of my favorite series of all time is "Roma" on HBO that unfortunately lasted only two seasons. I thought it was awesome: the nudity, the gore, the plots, the history, everything you'd want in a show.

You're on the money here. On a side note, nero always surprised me being as awful as he was despite being mentored by Seneca the younger. A disloyal student who betrayed his teacher.

 

[Samaldinho]

Maldini failed on a 50mil budget because of choices, RB had every right to refuse giving more.
Smart choices are way better than having x4 the money , said that when we had corruption money.
I am curious to see Moncada with the same budget before i dream of increasing it.

Maldini renewed Pioli & now wanna replace him.
Maldini was better fire himself because he failed Pioli.
If we wanna believe those news anyway then Maldini wanted Pirlo , i repeat PIRLO.

The ownership just gave more power to Pioli.

You are really bad at arguing.

 

[Soldier_of_god]

Maldini failed on a 50mil budget because of choices, RB had every right to refuse giving more.
Smart choices are way better than having x4 the money , said that when we had corruption money.
I am curious to see Moncada with the same budget before i dream of increasing it.

Maldini renewed Pioli & now wanna replace him.
Maldini was better fire himself because he failed Pioli.
If we wanna believe those news anyway then Maldini wanted Pirlo , i repeat PIRLO.

Maldini failed. Period. We need to move on.
Period.

Pearlooo lol.
Missing out on kvara
Missing out on muani

Buying FBT

Many mistakes. It happens. He is rich. We don't need to stress.

 

[Kojak]

Yes but he could also have been fired for asking for more budget and Redbird refused. That’s my worry. If bigger budget is offered but RB condition was to work as a team and Maldini refused then okay fair enough to dismiss him.

So Moncada gets a bigger budget I’ll be fine. But it’s very little and his expectations of maintaining that measly salary cap then I’m concerned because a top club can’t afford to maintain €5m salary cap for our best player

I’m also not a fan of their policy of only buying young players. An elite teams needs experience to work with, that’s what Maldini wanted. An area which I completely agree with.

Maldini also wanted Pioli gone, another area I completely agree with.

Based on reports we can assume the following:

Maldini wanted to fire Pioli (right imo)

Maldini wanted more power, refuse to share the load - Maldini wrong

Maldini wanted more budget and more experienced players - Maldini right (we made a CL SF, more budget can be afforded)

I do agree with one thing of RB, one man can’t run the show. If RB wanted Pioli/Furlaini/Moncada to get more involved I can support that.

Based on the quotes I listed in my previous post, it appears that before last summer where Maldini requested and received complete autonomy, the transfer decisions were the result of a COLLECTIVE group effort which will now return. This makes sense given that Moncada and his team scouted Maignan, Theo, Kalulu, Tomori, Adli, Kerkez, Djalo, Benny, Thiaw + Leao whereas last summer ALL of Maldini’s signings bombed and Pioli refused to play them. This would also explain the uneasy atmosphere at the club in recent months and downturn in results.

Therefore, all things considered, I think RB were RIGHT to let go of Maldini who became too power hungry after the Scudetto and delivered a horrific mercato. However, it’s just a shame that his ego is too big to still be involved with the club like Zanetti at Inter because he’s the glue that holds everything together and a father figure to the younger players. These intangible qualities will be sorely missed and will probably lead to key players asking to be sold and a downturn in results.

 

[Wild]

The ownership just gave more power to Pioli.

You are really bad at arguing.

As it should , the coach should always be involved regardless of his status.
So Maldini thought he know what a coach want more than himself ?

 

[Alo88]

If Maldini wanted Berardi that badly he could have gotten him on much more favorable terms many times before this summer.

Would Maldini really want Arnautovic if he had the money that his cost cutting and squad building should allow him?

I hate both of them, famously, but justifying firing Maldini on those rumors is... flimsy in my view.

I am basing the majority of my opinion on what is happening, the choices of ownership and the faith put in Pioli, who I think was comically poor in 2023.

Billy Beane is actually going to be part of the decision making process, and I'm supposed to believe in the competence of this new ownership group?

Can't wait to be wrong. I don't want to be Dortmund or Tottenham. I want to win.

Leaving the narrative about Maldini being sacked because of his transfer choices aside for a while... what are your thoughts about my earlier post this morning?

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I guess Redbird wasn't happy with the power structures and decision hierarchy in the technical area in its current state. Apparently, Maldini secured more decision-making power last summer than he ever had before - otherwise he wouldn't have signed on at the last second. And promptly we get players that Pioli almost notoriously refused to use. The only rational explanation I have for that is in fact that he wasn't consulted anymore the way he used to. Otherwise I don't know how to explain Pioli not using the players and Maldini constantly shaking his head when being framed during a Milan game. And the rumors about frictions in the last couple of months? They'd fit too.

I was very unhappy with that tho, I still am. I think our season would have been much better if Pioli had integrated and used Maldini's players better. That's what I've always said, and that opinion doesn't change now just like that.

But what's also clear is that the status quo couldn't continue to exist like this. We were stalling. Someone had to go. If I had been asked, I would have sent Pioli into the desert. Without hesitation. That's no secret. But it seems that Furlani has in mind a much larger reorganization of the technical area, which would include a decentralization of decision-making powers. No more two, three strong figures as in the past, mostly represented by a SD, TD and a liaison figure between club and owner. At least that's how I interpret "the working group". Moncada will play a much more important role in it. Likewise Pioli. Not to put them above others. More likely to elevate them to the same level that Maldini previously held. And in just such a structure, Maldini no longer had a place.

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IMO, that's far more reasonable. We're talking about Maldinis transfer decisions because the journalists did in the dawn of Redbirds decision to sack Maldini, trying to figure out what led to such an unpopular, unexpected and radical step while having literally no real intel at their hands. But from the little official news we've got since then (Redbirds press statement and Furlanis Interview to GdS), it seems more about power structures and decision hierarchies than concrete transfer targets who may have failed or not.

That's where I hope to shift this discussion to. It doesn't matter if CDK was Moncadas darling or if Maldini lost the plot when he took the gamble to stomp a whole 35M on him. No matter how deeply we're discussing it through. My best guess is that's it's more about how Furlani wants to change (or modernize if you're more pro Redbird) the way we're evaluating targets and deciding when and how to sink the blow.

My biggest concern right now is not if the new organisation with more power to Moncada and Pioli will offer us better targets or not but how the team will cope with loosing such an important figure to them like Maldini.

 

[Kojak]

We still Gundogan?

 

[Samaldinho]

As it should , the coach should always be involved regardless of his status.
So Maldini thought he know what a coach want more than himself ?

No more replies from me Tinkerbell, sorry.

 

[Wild]

FFS think , before Maldini ask for full power who the players we got ?
After Maldini had it who did we get ?
Does it get more obvious than this ?

 

[Tantalis]

@Tantalis



@Samaldinho the kid gets on base....

@VultureSheva you got any stats on this kid?

Quick feet, good tache!!!

I'm sold, RW confirmed...

Baseball is dead.

 

[Cloren]

Maldini failed on a 50mil budget because of choices, RB had every right to refuse giving more.
I wasted 50mil , give me more.
Smart choices are way better than having x4 the money , said that when we had corruption money.
I am curious to see Moncada with the same budget before i dream of increasing it.

Maldini renewed Pioli & now wanna replace him.
Maldini was better fire himself because he failed Pioli.
If we wanna believe those news anyway then Maldini wanted Pirlo , i repeat PIRLO.

Well yeah maldini renewed when Pioli was still sane. It was too soon I agree but me and him didn’t predict that 2023 shitshow either. It’s understandable he lost faith in Pioli in 2023.

Yeah I don’t buy the Pirlo rumours are all. I heard also he wanted Italiano, more believable. Pirlo was too mediocre at Juve.

Unless Maldini has a close relation with Pirlo since they played together and stuff.

And bro look, we gained extra budget from a CL SF, why shouldn’t we get more budget this season considering we even cut costs last season? Because one failed Mercato? So what’s gonna happen to extra money earned? Leeched to Gerry in his pocket lol?

As I said, if Gerry said I’ll give you this budget but you must work with the others and you get less autonomy this year and he refused, okay fine fire him.