The Rumour Commode XLI: Ragnarok

[CDarius]

Fixed this sticker

 

[Kmoney]

Belingham to Madrid for 103 milion
Now that is a proper transfer budget

Madrid has a lower net spent than Parma over the last 10 years. And lower than most championship clubs.

They had many neutral/35m net spend mercati

Difference is for 70m they got Kroos + Modric + Casemiro

We got CDK + Paqueta

Madrid is the best run sporting institution in the world, and their net spend is peanuts

 

[KujaIX]

So, not them when they didn't extend Maldini's contract until 5 days before the end of the season? When they didn't replace Pioli after 4 losses in a row including 4-0 loss to Lazio?

I should know better than to respond to you anyway.

Did Maldini make mistakes, yes, but I do still stick to the belief that they're not just given a Football Manager budget and then go-go-go. I do not believe they're given 50m and they can choose 50m on one player or 5m on 10 players. CDK flopped, fine

 

[Kmoney]

I would love for Ibra to stay as some kind of ambassador. I don’t know if he’ll accept it but we need some DNA in there.

 

[Dirooo]

Something many of the terrible emperors have in common is youth. CDK couldn’t handle the pressure of Milan calcio at 22, imagine being given the reigns to the Roman Empire as a teenager with unlimited wealth, debauchery, and in someone like Nero’s case almost no connection to reality.

The emperors also tend to be slandered by the Senatorial class, who basically wrote or contributed to most of the histories that have come down to us. So, it’s hard to know how terrible they truly were.

Enter Commodus, who had every opportunity and the greatest man to emulate and become a noble ruler. He was so bad and debauched that it is really the only bad stain on the great Marcus Aurelius' life and legacy.

Those self-serving senators did my boys Domitian and Gallienus real dirty...

 

[killerkid]

Madrid has a lower net spent than Parma over the last 10 years. And lower than most championship clubs.

They had many neutral/35m net spend mercati

Difference is for 70m they got Kroos + Modric + Casemiro

We got CDK + Paqueta

Madrid is the best run sporting institution in

Madrid has a lower net spent than Parma over the last 10 years. And lower than most championship clubs.

They had many neutral/35m net spend mercati

Difference is for 70m they got Kroos + Modric + Casemiro

We got CDK + Paqueta

Madrid is the best run sporting institution in the world, and their net spend is peanuts

They wasted 200 mil on Hazard with wages shouldnt Perez be fired for that

 

[Kmoney]

Oh 100%.
Moncada should start cleaning the house from the garbage that Maldini bought.

I’m excited for the de-fodderizarion that Padre Furlani and Moncada will bring about

No way dudes like Messias CDK and Florenzi will stay

 

[MarioReality]

Madrid has a lower net spent than Parma over the last 10 years. And lower than most championship clubs.

No one wants to hear it.
They see the money that comes out, and nothing else exists. There is no reasoning.

And still, even when they do see it, will refuse to ever sell "star players" because then you're dortmund.

Impossible discussion

 

[Deleted member 35916]

They wasted 200 mil on Hazard with wages shouldnt Perez be fired for that

Won the CL with a 200mil Hazard not playing. They also wasted a lot of money on Bale and won a bunch of CL's with him.

Your failures are forgiven if you keep winning. If you barely get into top 4 because a rival had a 10-point deduction, not so much.

 

[Panache]

The amount of shit being piled on Maldini, and talking about performances.. a list of transfers with X's (ooo) with most of them loaned players. Leao would have been an X btw after his first TWO years here, people wanted to sell him the summer before he exploded, Tonali after his first year also would have been an X. So... yah.

"Don't believe reports" but then you guys parrot the idea Maldini wanted Arnautovic, Berardi... and now he wanted Pirlo? Rumors were about Italiano before he got fired btw lol..

It wasn't about money but then you criticize Maldini for asking for more money publicly?

But yeah, it's just business... yknow, performance evaluation. Corporate America cut throat efficiency, lol. The land of incompetence and taxpayer funded bail outs.

But sure, let's pretend that this situation really is about performance...

Pioli is still fucking here? Pioli?

Pioli who can't beat Spezia? Or bottom half teams in general? Speaking of shit teams... Can't figure out Inter... four fucking times in 2023?

Pioli who can't hire fitness staff to keep our players fit for years?

I'm sorry, this doesn't look good to me. I have been described as a positivity force person, and I just do not see the positives here.

I am a Milan fan, and I want Milan to beat everyone and win everything, always. I hope that Pioli turns into Pep and Carlo combined and Moncada is Braida while Furlani is Galliani.

But they have an uphill battle to convince me.

So now you agree that somebody’s “track record” and his past performance is not indicative of future results? Because last year you were 200% on board the Cardinale train and you kept touting his past “accomplishments” outside of football as the reason why you thought he’d be a better owner than Investcorp.

 

[rossonero1]

ADL saying Guintoli is staying at Napoli. Juve will probably hire Massara now.

 

[Kmoney]

They wasted 200 mil on Hazard with wages shouldnt Perez be fired for that

Fire someone after 4 champions in 5 years? If they took a La Liga winning team, played like absolute trash, had a disastrous transfer campaign, and finished 5th on top of that - then yes, maybe his position would come under the microscope

 

[Cloren]

Bennacer

What a top class tweet. What a lovely player he is

 

[MarioReality]

So that's all of leao, tonali, theo and bennacer who want to leave now "apparently"

 

[Cloren]

I heard lawyers are involved and it's a tense situation so they write as less as possible

What??? Why is it that bad

 

[killerkid]

Won the CL with a 200mil Hazard not playing. They also wasted a lot of money on Bale and won a bunch of CL's with him.

Your failures are forgiven if you keep winning. If you barely get into top 4 because a rival had a 10-point deduction, not so much.

Yes but there is a bigggg difference between 200 and 50 mil but its not the sams club or understandig of football with our owners and Madrid

 

[Kmoney]

No one wants to hear it.
They see the money that comes out, and nothing else exists. There is no reasoning.

And still, even when they do see it, will refuse to ever sell "star players" because then you're dortmund.

Impossible discussion

Yeah I really don’t get the hissy fits over our transfer budget

 

[Deleted member 35916]

So now you agree that somebody’s “track record” and his past performance is not indicative of future results? Because last year you were 200% on board the Cardinale train and you kept touting his past “accomplishments” outside of football as the reason why you thought he’d be a better owner than Investcorp.

I have receipts for all of his Cardinale posts last summer. I'm thinking of ending his commode career one of these days.

 

[rossonero23]

Hearing maignan definitely wants out.

You think gerry would reach out to the players but he's probably back in LA working on his tan.

 

[rossonero1]

So Messi turned down that Saudi money for MLS.

 

[rossonero23]

Mein Kampf

At work

I laughed out loud for like 5 minutes. Everyone thought I was insane

 

[Kmoney]

I think by the end Maldini was firmly against using analytics or being creative. He wanted known commodities only.

When you’re at a financial disadvantage, such a strategy is never going to get you to the top to European football. Doing the same thing with less money is just going to lead to predictably inferior results.

We need to try something different to make more with less - analytics and scouting is Gerry’s answer to this, which I think Maldini fundamentally disagrees with.

I think that is the core reason why he was fired, above all else

 

[Deleted member 35916]

Yes but there is a bigggg difference between 200 and 50 mil but its not the sams club or understandig of football with our owners and Madrid

I'm not disagreeing with that but Madrid can afford these huge blunders and still keep winning. CDK used the majority of the transfer budget and was used to plug holes in the team and failed. Madrid didn't miss a beat without Hazard.

 

[Kmoney]

Damn Isma straight up called him Paul, savage

 

[CDarius]

Bennacer

What a top class tweet. What a lovely player he is

CLASS

 

[MarioReality]

Hearing maignan definitely wants out.

Don't buy it, even a little

 

[Panache]

I cannot believe we keep having to talk about this myth of Pioli and young players. I’m wondering if some people here can remember anything beyond a month ago

Goldfish memory

 

[Dirooo]

Well, I'm somewhat of an history buff and respect your knowledge on the subject. One of the historical figures that I admire the most is Julius Caesar both as a soldier and statesman. Unfortunately his popularity with the masses did him in because they feared that he had ambitions of becoming an emperor which would spell the end of the republic and for that was stabbed to death. It turned out to be in vain because his adopted, (after death) son Octavius became emperor Caesar Augustus and so the republic ceased to exist anyway. Augustus, for whom the month of August was named, turned out to a great emperor but his successors like Tiberius, Caligula, Nero and others were terrible.
One of my favorite series of all time is "Roma" on HBO that unfortunately lasted only two seasons. I thought it was awesome: the nudity, the gore, the plots, the history, everything you'd want in a show.

Ceaser was great and a genius but declaring himself 'dictator for life', when he really didn't need to totally sealed his death.

It's also ironic that out of the so called liberators only Brutus was genuine at heart about serving the republic, the rest of the assasinators were self-serving oligarchs who had personal motives for the betrayal of Ceasar.
Things haven't really changed 2000 years later in the modern world, people's predatory behavioral patterns are pretty much the same in politics and buisness.

 

[rossonero1]

Don't buy it, even a little

If he does, take the money and move on.

 

[Milan10]

I don’t have an issue with the “analytics” approach, in fact, I think it’s very much the correct approach for a club in Milan’s position. This approach is actually what got us to the point where we were able to win a Scudetto, finish top 4 consistently, and reach a CL SF.

I don’t understand why Maldini refused to accept the reality that Milan wasn’t going to have large transfer budgets without player sales. Gerry Cardinale is wealthy relative to 99% of the world, but relative to the portion of the 1% that buys large sports franchises, he’s basically as poor as the masses are compared to him (I’m exaggerating).

So, it’s strange to think Maldini was expecting more than a 50M transfer market and even more strange that this wasn’t communicated and accepted clearly when he decided to stay last summer. Calling for investment in the media ahead of the CL matchup was kind of just perplexing, a power move to put pressure on the owners but one that had little chance of succeeding.

Maldini did seem intent on deviating from what proved to be successful in the early stages of “da plan”: Investment in prospects (Leao) or undervalued assets (Theo) AND committee decisions on players. He wanted to invest in more proven players AND wanted very little input from others. I don’t understand why honestly… Massara, Gazidis, Moncada, Pioli all did great things TOGETHER with Maldini.