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Alo88

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Ok, respect :thumbsup:


You do know that Furlani had a leading role in signing Origi on such high wages right?

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If you want to spread the blame on this supposed tragedy of a transfer, then 20% of it should go to Maldini, Massara, Furlani and whoever was in management at the time of his signing. And the remaining 80% should be held on the post Maldini-Massara management, which includes the Furface Killa.

We can absolutely agree on that – but then Furlani and Moncada deserve the exact same credit for Theo, Leao, Maignan, Kjaer, Kalulu, Tomori, Zlatan, Giroud… right?

And with that, the benefit of doubt too – no?

Even if someone hates the last two mercati, we still got new corner stones like Pulisic and Reijnders. And promising newcomers like Fofana, Jimenez or Pavlovic – who I genuinely think will be massive, even if that’s not the mainstream opinion yet. Maybe even Gimenez if we're patient enough.

I’m not a fan of this binary thinking where everything is either flawless genius or apocalyptic disaster. I do think the post-Maldini management created a fair bit of chaos to put it way more friendly than they deserve. And I’m not convinced they can steer this ship without serious internal changes.

But let’s not pretend Furlani and co. only showed up after the Scudetto party. Most of the same people who are now being blamed for the current mess were already in place when we won that title – people tend to forget that and only remember it to now attributing the Origi disaster also to Furlani.

So… when exactly do we draw the line? :)
 

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Conceicao about to score some goals for us.


Rise lasted all of half of the next season... and then we went into decline with Pioli, Paolo, Ricky and co at the helm.

The true mastermind behind our success, the one who left before it all came apart:
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He was most definitely an important part of our ascent... But you agree, there was a period of simple pleasure for Milan fans when we had Sandro and Tree at their best?

You acknowledge that there was decline with previous management, and little ascent or consistency under current management?
 

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We can absolutely agree on that – but then Furlani and Moncada deserve the exact same credit for Theo, Leao, Maignan, Kjaer, Kalulu, Tomori, Zlatan, Giroud… right?

And with that, the benefit of doubt too – no?

Even if someone hates the last two mercati, we still got new corner stones like Pulisic and Reijnders. And promising newcomers like Fofana, Jimenez or Pavlovic – who I genuinely think will be massive, even if that’s not the mainstream opinion yet. Maybe even Gimenez if we're patient enough.

I’m not a fan of this binary thinking where everything is either flawless genius or apocalyptic disaster. I do think the post-Maldini management created a fair bit of chaos to put it way more friendly than they deserve. And I’m not convinced they can steer this ship without serious internal changes.

But let’s not pretend Furlani and co. only showed up after the Scudetto party. Most of the same people who are now being blamed for the current mess were already in place when we won that title – people tend to forget that and only remember it to now attributing the Origi disaster also to Furlani.

So… when exactly do we draw the line? :)
Good post, but careful with rational and open minded thought in here please x
 

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Exactly.

The Origi situation sucks.
But people somehow forget that the core of this team is still build around "Maldini era players" - Theo, Leao, Maignan.
Redbird can get their credit for signing Raindeers. He is a monster.

Another side of the Origi situation that no one talks about - it's the Ibra's side.
Ibra lion thought he could force Origi to accept a transfer by demoting him to Milan Futuro.
But just like with most Ibra lion ideas - this one backfired hard. :proud:

Sure, I doubt we could sell Origi either way.
But we probably could loan him, which means we wouldn't pay at least 50% of his salary.
So Ibra takes the blame here as well. Joke of a director.
Reijnders and this godsend:
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Seedorf: “Maldini’s return to football? Milan, he could be useful to you”

Clarence Seedorf, former player and coach of AC Milan, spoke about a possible return of Paolo Maldini to the world of football.


In an exclusive interview with Repubblica, published today, Seedorf discussed the potential comeback of Paolo Maldini — former AC Milan captain and executive, and his longtime teammate — to the football scene.

When asked about Maldini, Seedorf responded: “Maldini could be useful to Milan, to the national team, or to any organization if he’s truly allowed to make decisions. Everyone appreciated his work. Paolo embodies the true values of sport.”

https://www.pianetamilan.it/news-mi...lcio-milan-potrebbe-esserti-utile-30-04-2025/


Coco Shock: "My Milan no longer exists, today it's complete chaos"

Francesco Coco, former full-back with a significant past at Milan, offered his analysis of the Rossoneri’s season.


Francesco Coco, a former full-back with a significant past at Milan, shared his analysis of the Rossoneri’s season in an interview. His comments touch on various aspects of Conceicao’s team, offering the perspective of a former key figure in Italian football. His words:

"Players orphaned without Maldini": Coco’s sharp take on Milan’s current state

"My Milan no longer exists, and even the one that won the Scudetto in 2022 has been dismantled. Today, there is no real club structure—it's absolute chaos. It’s clear the players lack a point of reference and feel orphaned without Maldini. Conceicao? He’s at risk of winning two trophies in a tough situation, and with the switch to a three-man defense, he’s left his mark on the team, even though he was questioned after Milan-Cagliari in mid-January. In such a mess, even Ancelotti would have struggled. Instead of tearing him apart, I would give him my trust."

In Milan, everyone is asking: is it better to win two trophies (the Coppa Italia and the Supercoppa Italiana), as Milan might in an otherwise disappointing season, or to fight on all fronts and end up with nothing?

"Playing in Barcelona gave me the mindset that what matters is playing well and having an important season as a protagonist, even if it means risking ending up with nothing. I understand that in Italy, we say we want to play well, but then we’re slaves to results—and if you don’t win, everyone comes under fire..."

https://www.pianetamilan.it/news-mi...piu-oggi-ce-un-casino-incredibile-30-04-2025/


Valentini: “I’d like to see a more Italian Milan. Letting go of Maldini was a huge mistake.”

Former FIGC director Antonello Valentini was a guest on L'Editoriale on TMW Radio.

“Milan already made a huge mistake by letting go of Maldini’s experience and deep ties to the club. Ibrahimović is not a team manager—something else is needed in that role. I hope Milan regains its prestige and becomes a more Italian team. I’m not against foreign players, but they should be high-quality.”

https://www.milannews.it/news/valen...tupidaggine-enorme-privarsi-di-maldini-575413
 

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Well if Maldini wants to be included in the decision making process then we need someone experienced and ruthless to support him. Someone like marotta.

Closest alternative we could find is possibly Atalanta SD
Marotta was named president by Oaktree but is also in charge of transfers, basically got a huge raise in the process while having the final say on all issues related to Inter.
Has said that he intends to retire once the contract expires and so our big mistake was to not jump on him as soon as he left Juve and give him whatever he wanted.
 

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Marotta was named president by Oaktree but is also in charge of transfers, basically got a huge raise in the process while having the final say on all issues related to Inter.
Has said that he intends to retire once the contract expires and so our big mistake was to not jump on him as soon as he left Juve and give him whatever he wanted.
Hindsight is 20/20.

Doing so when he left Juve would mean no Maldini or Boban
 

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Reijnders and this godsend:
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Absolutely agree, but let's not use these two to simply gloss over a catalogue of disasters.

Who out of this current crop of players do you deem as successes, or useful moving forward?
 

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Seedorf: “Maldini’s return to football? Milan, he could be useful to you”

Clarence Seedorf, former player and coach of AC Milan, spoke about a possible return of Paolo Maldini to the world of football.


In an exclusive interview with Repubblica, published today, Seedorf discussed the potential comeback of Paolo Maldini — former AC Milan captain and executive, and his longtime teammate — to the football scene.

When asked about Maldini, Seedorf responded: “Maldini could be useful to Milan, to the national team, or to any organization if he’s truly allowed to make decisions. Everyone appreciated his work. Paolo embodies the true values of sport.”

https://www.pianetamilan.it/news-mi...lcio-milan-potrebbe-esserti-utile-30-04-2025/


Coco Shock: "My Milan no longer exists, today it's complete chaos"

Francesco Coco, former full-back with a significant past at Milan, offered his analysis of the Rossoneri’s season.


Francesco Coco, a former full-back with a significant past at Milan, shared his analysis of the Rossoneri’s season in an interview. His comments touch on various aspects of Conceicao’s team, offering the perspective of a former key figure in Italian football. His words:

"Players orphaned without Maldini": Coco’s sharp take on Milan’s current state

"My Milan no longer exists, and even the one that won the Scudetto in 2022 has been dismantled. Today, there is no real club structure—it's absolute chaos. It’s clear the players lack a point of reference and feel orphaned without Maldini. Conceicao? He’s at risk of winning two trophies in a tough situation, and with the switch to a three-man defense, he’s left his mark on the team, even though he was questioned after Milan-Cagliari in mid-January. In such a mess, even Ancelotti would have struggled. Instead of tearing him apart, I would give him my trust."

In Milan, everyone is asking: is it better to win two trophies (the Coppa Italia and the Supercoppa Italiana), as Milan might in an otherwise disappointing season, or to fight on all fronts and end up with nothing?

"Playing in Barcelona gave me the mindset that what matters is playing well and having an important season as a protagonist, even if it means risking ending up with nothing. I understand that in Italy, we say we want to play well, but then we’re slaves to results—and if you don’t win, everyone comes under fire..."

https://www.pianetamilan.it/news-mi...piu-oggi-ce-un-casino-incredibile-30-04-2025/


Valentini: “I’d like to see a more Italian Milan. Letting go of Maldini was a huge mistake.”

Former FIGC director Antonello Valentini was a guest on L'Editoriale on TMW Radio.

“Milan already made a huge mistake by letting go of Maldini’s experience and deep ties to the club. Ibrahimović is not a team manager—something else is needed in that role. I hope Milan regains its prestige and becomes a more Italian team. I’m not against foreign players, but they should be high-quality.”

https://www.milannews.it/news/valen...tupidaggine-enorme-privarsi-di-maldini-575413
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too many great players to list but if pushed all time favorite player: Maldini
I feel like it's the exact opposite. I see @Deep Fried Pizza & Chips posting Maldini pics more than typing letters and @IL-Capitano posting Cardinale, Furlani, Moncada and Zlatan group pictures so often that I genuily thought for a while that's his signature. Two examples from the top of my head. There are many more.

Guess what you and me perceive as the more active and triggering voices depends on with which narrative we sympathise more.
I’m merely pointing out who is responsible for Milan’s current position and not just in the current table.

For the record I and several more never said any one person was solely responsible for all the successes or solely responsible for all the failures.

It has always been a shared success and failure rate the decisions and protocols never sit solely on one persons table.

There are many cogs in the machine that make things happen. And all play their part and share the success or failure of the outcome.

The sooner the mud slinging stops the better. I’m all for it to end but I will insist on holding the current management accountable for Milan’s current position and for the toxic culture that has festered at Milan.

It’s not personal I don’t hate the current owner and the current management personally. I just do not appreciate the damage they have collectively inflicted on Milan. Milan needs better and clearer direction.

I will cease on the group photo and no it definitely is not my signature. I simply want to see Milan run in better way and show some real forward thinking and ambition to compete where it matters.
 

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Hindsight is 20/20.

Doing so when he left Juve would mean no Maldini or Boban
As much as I love Maldini, Marotta is way ahead of any SDs in Italy and one of the best in Europe. Maldini did fine in a new position and was probably much cheaper than Marotta whom I doubt Gadzidis ever considered.
Inter under the Chinese jumped on him as quickly as possible and the rest his history, both Zhang's losing the club and Marotta's success.
 

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He was most definitely an important part of our ascent... But you agree, there was a period of simple pleasure for Milan fans when we had Sandro and Tree at their best?

You acknowledge that there was decline with previous management, and little ascent or consistency under current management?
Of course mate. we're all in agreement with that.
Milan deserves to be consistently Top of the league. On the basis of wages alone we are top 3 in the league. We're not getting the value for our money.
Last year we may have gotten 2nd place, but the major gap between us and Merda (20 points) means that we were stagnating, rather than improving.
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Even if we win all 4 of our last four matches, we're pretty much on Banter-Era points pace.
 

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If the possiblity exists that Milan's management remains the same after Furlani repeatedly promised that we're looking for a more traditional figure as SD we're really amateurs that don't know what the fuck we're doing. Very wishy washy with no real plan to stick to while wasting months pursuing people under contracts with other clubs that have no intentions to let them go.

At this point I would settle with a midtable executive that has over-achieved and discoverd new talents that have later sold at great plusvalenza, or some young and upcoming assistant from a top club with mercato knowledge who's hungry to succeed. As this saga continues we're becoming a joke to the media and fans of every other club and our own. A level of dysfunction rarely seen before that makes me question why I remain loyal to the club but had no problem cheating on wife and girl-friends.
 

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Same. Not sure why everyone is a Donna fan suddenly. Maldini did really well on that deal for us. Raiola was taking us for a ride and we couldn’t afford either the bs or the money.
Because Maldini lives rent free in heathen's heads. Donna doing well? = Maldini messed up comment followed by crying about how the forum is only talking about Maldini.

Just proves how much influence he still has on the minds of Milan fans.
 

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Of course mate. we're all in agreement with that.
Milan deserves to be consistently Top of the league. On the basis of wages alone we are top 3 in the league. We're not getting the value for our money.
Last year we may have gotten 2nd place, but the major gap between us and Merda (20 points) means that we were stagnating, rather than improving.
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Even if we win all 4 of our last four matches, we're pretty much on Banter-Era points pace.
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Because Maldini lives rent free in heathen's heads. Donna doing well? = Maldini messed up comment followed by crying about how the forum is only talking about Maldini.

Just proves how much influence he still has on the minds of Milan fans.
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The Donnarumma ship has sailed

Why are we even talking about him?

Because he is Italy greatest goalkeeper. And we had him 😢

ships that have sailed

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Genuinely hope so. Proved beyond incompetent with the renewals of those 3, signing troublemakers that nobody wanted. Then blowing a limited budget on a bunch of nobodies. Totally sabotaged Padre in defending #19


I hope we can bring San Gigi back sometime in the future. I've realised it wasn't all his fault. He was young and got played.


Thank fuck for that. Just look at some of these points totals

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In the grand scheme of things. An absolute FRAUD of the highest order 😤

Those points totals with the squad he had at his disposal.

I gave him a pass because he was a milanista. But nah man. This guy fucked us over more than the opps.

Berlusconi was too kind to this guy. In hindsight I'd have sacked him at the end of 2004. He deserved the belt after la coruna.
 

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Guys i really want to attend the final in Rome but im confused.

AC MILAN PHASES OF SALE
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  • Milan Club Members (provided they are AC Milan season ticket holders for the 2024/25 Serie A season and/or possess a CRN Card), who can purchase up to four tickets, provided that the ticket holders are season ticket holders for the 2024/25 Serie A season and/or possess a CRN Card. For each ticket, you will need to insert your CRN Card number in the coupon code box, followed by "-" and your date of birth in DDMMYYYY format to complete the purchase (e.g., 006000000000-DDMMYYYY). Only CRN Cards that were registered by 30 April 2025 will be valid.
From 10:00 CEST on 4 May until 10:00 CEST on 6 May 2025, sales will resume for season ticket holders, with the addition of:

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Whats the difference between those 2? I have a CRN Card..does this mean i can queue only from 4th may or am i allowed on 2nd of May? If anyone is in the same situation or has any idea and could help..would really appreciate it.
Thanks
Have you resolved?
the first one is if you are part of a registered fan club, even if you don’t have season ticket (whose phase started today).
Otherwise you will have to wait for the "free" phase after 4 May
 

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I feel like it's the exact opposite. I see @Deep Fried Pizza & Chips posting Maldini pics more than typing letters and @IL-Capitano posting Cardinale, Furlani, Moncada and Zlatan group pictures so often that I genuily thought for a while that's his signature. Two examples from the top of my head. There are many more.

Guess what you and me perceive as the more active and triggering voices depends on with which narrative we sympathise more.
Yeah, I guess.

Hey @Deep Fried Pizza & Chips and @IL-Capitano . Maybe let the most echo chamber of your takes rest for a little bit.

This forum has become a bit of a tent theatre of the american political debate. MAGAtards triggering libtards and the other way around.

It's a fucking downer.
 

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He thinks that before Coppa Italia we don't know what european cup we will play, or if we will play any, so first we have to wait and see how the final ends, then things should get moving, but he too told me that nothing is coming out from Milan just his two cents, they all know nothing
Maybe I am too optimistic, but I hope this silence means something is moving under the curtain and Redbird is fucking off.
 

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Replacing Scaroni with Maldini is an excellent idea and the ideal role for him - in my view.

But that will never happen. Maldini will never return, not even with different owners.
Paolo doesn't want a figurehead role, he wants an operational role. I don't blame him one bit either.
Being Baresi, despite all the crap this club and our results is putting him through, must be doubly exhausting since he can do nothing except parrot Company lines. He literally can't do anything to fix things because he has no operational power.

Paolo on the other hand wants to get his hands dirty to solve our issues. He may have made mistakes along the way, but we all know what he wanted to achieve.

That said, I can still see Paolo coming back if Gerry leaves. The only problem? I don't see Gerry leaving within the next 10 years until he's "achieved" what he wants to with this club.
 

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In regards to Paolo getting a pass for things furlani wouldn't. Yeah cause phaglani comes from a dirty hobbit bloodline with no connection to Milan.

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Also because Paolo hasn't done anything wrong. Disagree with that? Cry about it more Heathen
Like I can't believe current management haven't found a way to turn a profit on Origi... Like fucking hell guys!!!

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That is wrong. Furlani was only a board member at the time.
I dont remember exactly when he was promoted. My fault on that
The financial volume of Origi's contract did not exceed the amount that would have required the board's approval. Probably not even Gazidis had to sign.
Then doesn't that mean that the whole issue is not worth the big fuss being made here?
 

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We can absolutely agree on that – but then Furlani and Moncada deserve the exact same credit for Theo, Leao, Maignan, Kjaer, Kalulu, Tomori, Zlatan, Giroud… right?

And with that, the benefit of doubt too – no?

Even if someone hates the last two mercati, we still got new corner stones like Pulisic and Reijnders. And promising newcomers like Fofana, Jimenez or Pavlovic – who I genuinely think will be massive, even if that’s not the mainstream opinion yet. Maybe even Gimenez if we're patient enough.

I’m not a fan of this binary thinking where everything is either flawless genius or apocalyptic disaster. I do think the post-Maldini management created a fair bit of chaos to put it way more friendly than they deserve. And I’m not convinced they can steer this ship without serious internal changes.

But let’s not pretend Furlani and co. only showed up after the Scudetto party. Most of the same people who are now being blamed for the current mess were already in place when we won that title – people tend to forget that and only remember it to now attributing the Origi disaster also to Furlani.

So… when exactly do we draw the line? :)
Do you think Paratici deserves equal credit for what Juventus did while he was the deputy to Marotta at Juventus?

I imagine you would not.

Paratici made very different choices than Marotta when he took over Juventus, just like Maldini made very different choices than Leonardo, just like Moncada made different choices than Maldini.

I'm glad we have Reijnders and Pulisic--the rest of our transfers have largely been terrible.

This is not about binary thinking, it's about the simple fact that by being in 9th place that lays bare the incompetence of Furlani and Moncada in their current positions. That's the line.

Furlani, who unlike Gazidis, does not have experience in the role he occupies has overseen and reinforced an incoherent management structure that does not even have defined roles--a system implemented by our current owner--which has led to sporting disaster for this club. Moncada, Furlani, etc unlike the previous regime, they began their stewardship from a place of financial stability and sporting strength. When we were in 2nd last year, there were no calls to see "both sides" of the argument--it was victory laps all around.

Furlani might be better suited to a Gandini-type role than a Galliani-type one, and Moncada might be the greatest scout to ever live--even if we're still waiting for this legion of talent to appear that he was thwarted from buying before (Jimenez looks good)--but Moncada has done an objectively worse job than his predecessor.

How can I say "objectively," you may ask? Because we're in 9th.

When Milan was really strong in the 2000's, we had Galliani, Braida, Leonardo, Gandini, and other, less famous figures like Cantamessa--but soon we had less and less as we got to 2010. Leonardo left (before that), then Braida (in 2013), and soon Galliani was taking on roles he wasn't suited for--and we know how that went.

If you want to give Furlani and Moncada credit, fine, but it's very obvious that they're not suited to their current roles, because, again, we see it on the field.

The fact that Maldini got Origi and it failed doesn't negate the significant difference in quality between his body-of-work and his successors. Massara also deserves more praise than he has gotten in these discussions, it has to be said. I also think Boban deserves much more credit for his work, and I think Gazidis really hurt Milan long-term by pushing Boban out of the club--the fact he won his wrongful termination lawsuit shows that Gazidis, contrary to public opinion, was wrong in that situation.

The thing is: Maldini's failures predate the mythical "year of independence" he had--I'll leave the irony of restricting his evaluation to a single year whilst Moncada has gotten multiple years aside--Maldini took gambles, like Mandzukic, which just didn't work. Bakayoko was a gamble that didn't work either. How about Duarte? Was selling Paqueta a mistake or should we he have kept him? FBT?

This attempt to create "ledgers" of mistakes whilst ignoring sporting results is weird to me. Marotta, who is being lauded here, has plenty of mistakes, where his financial choices on players were a big part of why Inter defaulted to Oaktree. Maldini did something that Marotta, so far, has not shown capable of doing: he severly cut wages whilst increasing performance. That's really hard to do.

To me, Furlani is a Gandini and Moncada should be a Leonardo, Galliani and Braida don't lineup easily with our modern notions of TD, SD, and CEO, but I think you understand my point. They can be assets, but they have shown to have done a very poor job now that they have taken over.

The fact we are 9th is a disaster. It's a comical disaster. Bringing that up is not about extremes or about lack-of-nuance, it is the result of the choices this ownership has made. If Tare or Paratici or D'Amico come in, and turn the ship around, I'm not going to deny that because I have some sort of partisan position. It's why I look at what Redbird have done with the stadium, so far, as impressive. The people they have hired and the strategy on the stadium, so far, stands in stark contrast to how Redbird has handled their sporting decisions.

Saying that our previous leaders were better than our current ones is not about some binary, partisan issue--nor does it argue that the previous regime was faultless--it's the stark reality in front of us that you are asking us to tip-toe around, when it is the nail in the coffin to a rubric for success when Maldini's firing was justified: we're supposed to have a ruthless, corporate American structure. That means Furlani should be gone, Moncada should be gone, everyone should be gone--but that's not what is going to happen because the owner is the one who made these choices, and unless someone buys the club from him, he's the one who decided to fire Maldini and Massara and install this disjointed mess where Ibra gets to argue with Boban on Italian television saying "I'm the boss."

So, yeah, just because there were people who were in place before, doesn't mean that much. They have been put into roles they are not suited for and our club's failures point that out, clearly.
 

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Better than any leao performance in a Milan kit plus €20m+ profit. Grande Suso, leao vattene.


Crazy how leao fans are still living in 2022

But yeah I used to rag on suso aswell. Both hindered our play in the grand scheme of things. With him he was gassed by December.

But atleast he didn't cost us 60M and 6.5M per season whilst he was here.

We improved once we got rid of him and bonaventura. And we shall improve once le donkey has been sent packing
 

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