The Rumour Commode XLVII: Foamseca is out

[Hitchens]

knowledgeable posters have been singing the inter efficency song for years
Bandwagon posters have only parroted it as of late

And yet the og's were bullied and self deleted/banned
I believe it's a time of retribution

#BringStevenHomeNOW

 

[forward]

And then we have?
It’s so easy to humiliate bbbelan fml

My point was that Arsenal had "a perfect match".
While Real had a bad match.

Let's not pretend Carlo single-handedly flopped that game.

 

[abritcemeng]

Inter has been good ever since conte built their team. It is a beast team

I don’t like praising inter but these are facts. They are a top 3 club in the world and we are well top 20 right now.

Top 20?
We are 9th in Serie A
Maybe top 50

 

[abritcemeng]

Beating muenchen in their Home and topping seri A
Fuck ibra and moncada

 

[MilanBG]

I am just trying to understand the fan's reasoning behind "Carlo is a fodder" and "Maldini sucked".
You are calling "fodders" a manager / player that hold half of the club's trophies.

Like wtf?
Is this Forza Inter forums?

I am not pro shitting on them in any way, but Carlo in particular deserves a lot of criticism for underachieving with the amazing team he had in his disposal.

 

[MilanBG]

Beating muenchen in their Home and topping seri A
Fuck ibra and moncada

While spending much less than us And then Gerry talks about winning intelligently Which one is more intelligent?
A) Spend a lot on donkeys like RLC, Emerson and Musah, play horribly and win a trophy twice per decade
B) Spend close to nothing, collect trophies every season and have a legit chance to win CL

Tough choice...

 

[sheva]

Milan's problem is that the ownership has been unstable since late Berlusconi days. There is no long term vision, no identity.. etc

elliot (=jooz) have stabilized the club in an unprecedented manner, especially compared to italian teams, which take years to rebuild/build and are often reliant on a mega coach/ambitious owner, and especially without a massive influx of money (a solution EPL owners often choose).

not only was there an identity, a long term vision, a clear structure of hierarchy, the team was on a gradual improvement curve and have reached higher successes compared to the season before, all while being self sustainable.

Boban let the dirty laundry out? was silently removed and the communication happened in closed courts circles. now? the coach is getting fired via the media, legends aren't being invited to Milan 125 year gala since they have beef with the club, and the club is considered a joke between past players and pundits, and all in less than two years of ownership.

elliot was one of the best owners Italy had seen during the last decades, most methodical, calculated, and CORRECT ownership. can change course quickly (the overspending on the piatek purchase summer), does not need to dirty itself in Italian politics to achieve results (marotta/juve in general), and essentially handled the club with serenity in the public eye.

 

[sheva]

In the long term, it would make sense to bring three strategic partners on board who could acquire up to 30% in total. I'm thinking of Puma, BMW... Banco BPM would be ideal. That should put €600m into the coffers for the stadium and other things, and we'd be in a stable position.

you value AC milan at 2 billion euros?? this ac milan without even a conference league next season, stadium, a squad bake sale in the upcoming summer, and no gazidis-esque commercial partnerships during the last two years??

this is a brk level copium

 

[finnishhacker]

Luca Serafini spoke about AC Milan and the club's decision to reverse its appointment of Fabio Paratici as the new sporting director during his appearance on Sportitalia:

"Whether or not there is a statement from ADISE ( Italian Association of Sporting Directors), the fact is that the president of ADISE is also the president of Inter, which is like me being the president of the bar association and also being a journalist. It doesn’t sit very elegantly. Then, as my father used to say: 'When it thunders somewhere, it rains'."

He added:​

"On one side, there is this strange anathema against Paratici, who is a banned individual, but you can buy a player who is banned, you can hire a coach who is banned. It’s not clear why you shouldn’t do it with a sporting director."

Serafini continued:​

"On the other side, there is a club that is evidently scared, and that’s why someone clearly didn’t make a very convinced choice, because if I’ve decided that my sporting director is Paratici, then my sporting director is Paratici. Period. We’re back to the usual stories."

Apparently Marotta didn't want us to get Paratici and complained to FIGC

 

[vB9]

In the long term, it would make sense to bring three strategic partners on board who could acquire up to 30% in total.

 

[vB9]

Luca Serafini spoke about AC Milan and the club's decision to reverse its appointment of Fabio Paratici as the new sporting director during his appearance on Sportitalia:

"Whether or not there is a statement from ADISE ( Italian Association of Sporting Directors), the fact is that the president of ADISE is also the president of Inter, which is like me being the president of the bar association and also being a journalist. It doesn’t sit very elegantly. Then, as my father used to say: 'When it thunders somewhere, it rains'."

He added:​

"On one side, there is this strange anathema against Paratici, who is a banned individual, but you can buy a player who is banned, you can hire a coach who is banned. It’s not clear why you shouldn’t do it with a sporting director."

Serafini continued:​

"On the other side, there is a club that is evidently scared, and that’s why someone clearly didn’t make a very convinced choice, because if I’ve decided that my sporting director is Paratici, then my sporting director is Paratici. Period. We’re back to the usual stories."

Apparently Marotta didn't want us to get Paratici and complained to FIGC

theres no legal issue in signing him... just backroom politics

 

[Cloren]

I just want to say that Carlo Ancelotti is absolutely blameless for todays defeat

 

[vB9]

jerry shud sign ed woodward... he's good at making commercial deals

 

[vB9]

y not, y not

 

[vB9]

20m + tom

 

[Curupira]

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20m + tom

Bruhs actually named Inda

 

[vB9]

 

[vB9]

Bruhs actually named Inda

+ played at juve

 

[MilanBG]

Wait, wait, wait... Declan Rice scored not one, but two free-kick goals? A 26 yo who hasn't scored a single free-kick in his life score two in one game against Courtois?

 

[Cloren]

Pirlo was garbage after 2007. He literally strolled around the park. He would have a good game when he felt like it, if we played Real or whatever, he'd consider trying that game.

Otherwise, we got to see him just jog around, he would hit 30 long passes, occasionally one would find one of our players and people would applaud him.

With the way he treated Milan, his confusion as to why Milan fans hate him shows how Pirlo has no self awareness. It's even funnier now that Juve fans don't like him anymore.

Would be nice if people showed this kind of standard to Theo Hernandez who does even worse now by the way

 

[Pigeon]

Would be nice if people showed this kind of standard to Theo Hernandez who does even worse now by the way

if you replace pirlo with theo and rafa in that text you have the current state of ac milan

 

[forward]

Pirlo was garbage after 2007. He literally strolled around the park. He would have a good game when he felt like it, if we played Real or whatever, he'd consider trying that game.

Otherwise, we got to see him just jog around, he would hit 30 long passes, occasionally one would find one of our players and people would applaud him.

With the way he treated Milan, his confusion as to why Milan fans hate him shows how Pirlo has no self awareness. It's even funnier now that Juve fans don't like him anymore.

This.

Being kicked from Milan motivated him to play better.
It's not Milan's fault he needed that kind of motivation to return to his form.

 

[leaf]

I agree with you on the DM.

Even when Fofana was in-form in the first half of the season (I'm not sure if he's that guy or the guy who collapsed after January) we still conceded bad goals, both under Fonseca and under Conceicao. We are not one Rodri away from being a fundamentally different team.

But where I disagree with you is that many of our adjustments are tactical from first halves to second halves. Conceicao seems to be very good at making adjustments, but he seems insanely bad at setting up a team to start.

When I look at the goals we conceded in the first ten minutes (I went back to watch [I missed them live]) you can see a cascade of problems in our midfield and attack, giving away possession whilst we are in transition. Musah is doing too much, trying to be something more than he is, and while when his dribbles come off, he creates havoc for our opponents--before he then messes up the pass or cross lol--but when the pass or move doesn't work, he's taking those risks at bad times.

Jovic, when you take away his goal, was average, sometimes below average (compared to his impact usually) but once he got going, holding up the ball, not losing it, and connecting play, we started to look much better. Pulisic doesn't do this, the usage of Pulisic centrally makes him far less effective and both Fonseca and Conceicao keep going back to it and it hurts Pulisic and the team.

Jovic was doing what I thought would be bare minimum for Felix, but with Musah thinking he's some attacking force (rather than being a shield or to just put out fires) and with Pulisic being played more centrally, we collapse. These are tactical choices that other teams are identifying and exploiting.

I don't think we are conceding shit goals in the first half and then fighting tooth-and-nail in the second half because they don't give a shit. I think Conceicao is setting up the team very poorly to starts games, consistently.

If Fonseca gets negative points because he had a pre-season, whilst Conceicao gets "excuse points" for taking over mid-season without a pre-season... then you could say that Fonseca (seemingly) had less impact on our transfers than Conceicao did, since Conceicao seemingly got the players that he wanted: Walker, Gimenez, (who knows about those two, to be fair) but most importantly: Felix. Was Felix a Mendes thing? Or did Conceicao really want him? I dunno.

I think a lack of a pre-season hurts a manager more, taking over mid-season, even if you get some Man City-like transfer window in January is still much harder than in the summer--but what mystifies me is how Fonseca and Conceicao both drift towards a 424-like shape, where we have not had a true CAM to make that system work. Hell, Fonseca uses Tolisso in that CAM spot (sometimes as a Hakan-style "LAM") which is far more solid than what he did here. When we push Reijnders up there, we don't have anyone to connect play from deeper, and when Reijnders is further back (where I think he's best) we then don't have anyone to take that advancement to build coherent play, and Pulisic doesn't do that at the CAM spot.

I'm at a point where I think our analytics team forces our managers into playing that 424-style 4231 on our managers. I am at a loss for words, otherwise. Why are we going to a shape that has been exploited by opponents, big and small, time and time again? The only time our 424 has really worked (with Felix) from the start is the first half against Feyenoord, where we looked... genuinely impressive. Then Theo got that stupid card, etc. But other than that, it doesn't matter if we're playing Napoli or Lecce, the setup isn't working.

We don't have a Musiala or some Leao-level mercurial talent at CAM, I hated playing Brahim at CAM, but if we could have him right now, I'd bite your hand off (I like him more as a RW). But we don't even have that, so why do we keep going to this?

I don't get it, because in order to solve the CAM problem, we create new problems in other places: Reijnders at CAM? Who will conduct and connect play centrally to advance the ball and control possession? Okay, fine, Pulisic at CAM? Where is our width on the right to stretch a team out, plus Pulisic is far less effective there (at CAM), and then we have to deal with the errors or lack-of-danger from whoever we play at RW, Musah, Chuk, Jimenez, which then allows teams to choke out our left side.

The players are fighting in the second halves of games, and quite frankly, they were working hard after that initial shock of being down 2-0 in ten minutes against Fiorentina--why Conceicao has abandoned the more cautious starts to games that colored his initial success, I don't know.

Yes, players need to try hard--but when you're asking someone like Musah (who I like) to do things outside of his skill-set, you're asking for problems. When there are no outlets for pressure, we can't build play, all we do is hit it to an attacker and hope they can create space through individual skill. This is where I think our squad construction issues come up: our midfield is the worst unit, by far. Outside of Reijnders, you have an inconsistent Fofana, but we have no backup for Reijnders, no one who can share the creative load with Tiji, and our replacement midfielders are Musah, Bondo, and RLC. Oh, and Terra. That's our midfield unit. Bondo might turn into a good player, but he's not that now, he's not even a Meite-level player now.

So I'm not saying it's only one thing, but to me, there's a problem in our personnel, there's a problem in who we decided to rely on (Felix or forcing Pulisic at CAM when he's our best RW by far), and that we lost a tempo-setter in Bennacer and didn't replace him. Bondo is a more defensive Musah, they both make mistakes and RLC has only played 1,000 minutes this season--so, for me, it's more about a very flawed midfield unit and two managers who continued to push the same failed system that got Pioli fired, because if they have the fight in the second half, even when the season is clearly lost (we're probably finishing 9th, maybe 8th?) if they're still running and fighting to get back into games, doesn't that show they aren't these terrible people, but rather, there are other issues at play?

I know I'm preaching to the choir here but the bold part is yet another reason why it should be fucking 433

Also yes, the squad is getting an amazing amount of shit because of the circumstances but it isn't necessarily their fault.

 

[leaf]

Carlo
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Hey bro....nice sig...I'm sure there's a hell of a story behind it

 

[Myalon]

Nevertheless Mierda demonstrated us last night for us why we are late.
They don't necessarily have a much better team than us but they have recruited the leaders who know football.

Paradoxically it is Mierda who shows the example by recruiting the best Italian players since they do that they are more stable in the results and find their luster of yesteryear.

What kind of team can you see next season? Reijnders will stay you think?

As an Italian player I will take Calafiori (I know I dream but good), Ricci, Chiesa and Udogie. Besides, these last 2 are cited with us in rumor.

We need at least 1 top dc we will go nowhere ...

 

[ACM14061988]

Primavera lost 0-3 against Cagliari, the final of Coppa Italia Primavera

 

[leaf]

@Samaldinho

Also I don't agree about your assessment on Pirlo when you said that he stopped caring after 2007. In fact he was probably our best player up until Allegri came in, who wanted someone more solid like Van Bommel and the other destroyers he always prefers.

To follow up on the initial point, that Pirlo was not careless as you claimed he is post 2007, I can think of our knockout matches vs Man Utd in 2010 I think when Ferguson specifically instructed Ji Sung Park to man mark him which only proves how important Pirlo was to the team.

I think that Pirlo was a magnificent player for us throughout his time with us and I don't agree that he waltzed around. It was a big mistake on our part to let him go but I understand that it was probably for the better since we were under a new era that required a different type of football.

I don't like what he said about Milan in his book and I think this is where your frustration really lies in. If he didn't write that book you'd probably have a much more positive memory of his time at Milan. I didn't like what he said, it showed him to be ungrateful towards us. At the same time, I don't expect loyalty from a player who comes from Brescia, it's not like he ever claimed to be a die-hard AC Milan fan since birth a la Tonali. He goes where he feels valued and honestly there is some blame on our management for undermining his value at the time and he decided to show them that they were wrong in doing that by revitalising his career at Juve and becoming Italy's leading player. At least he backed up his arrogance with action. I can't say the same about Leao.

I don't know about you but I could SEE that P!rl0 didn't give a shit about Milan at the end of 2006 - 2007
I remember Farouk doing a frame by frame breakdown of how pathetic P!rl0's marking and tracking back was for Milan, especially at heavy defeats.
I had to battle a whole ARMY of Pirlo groupies who insisted that "Grazie Maestro" was in order for each breath he took...when in reality it was Seedorf who was putting in a shift in the midfield.
His free kicks dried up for two years at Milan....but then MIRACULOUSLY gets revived for Juventus and Italy.

Honestly there's no comparison with him and Leao. Leao is also a forward who has to conserve energy for his forward runs.
Not excusing Leao for his sometimes lethargic/ overly casual approach but his defensive responsibility is supposed to be less.
Pirlo's position was technically a DM (yeah yeah deep lying playmaker etc). A DM is supposed to D (no homo).

Then of course, Pirlo himself confirms all of my suspicions in his book.
The other thing is that Pirlo himeslf is a conceited person.
When you read some of the things he says that he was so much better than his peers etc....what gets me is that he thinks himself better than us. The club, the team AND the fans. What bothers me it that Milan SAVED HIS OVERRATED ASS (See also cASSano). He was a FAILED CAM at Inter. Sure he had success as a deep lying playmaker at Brescia, but he came to us as a an Inter FLOP. Milan and Carlo saved this cunt.

Wild had been making the case for years that he's not really contributing ....but I kept the faith with him until I saw what he did in the Arsenal semi game....two great positions for a free kicks and he skied both. I was like "Nah this guy's taking the piss".

If a black player behaved like this he'd be in the doghouse 100% guaranteed. But P!rlo is an Italian legend who was instrumental in the World Cup. Seedorf got so much more abuse and criticism. and Clarence even prematuredly ended his career to try to help us.
Pirlo is meanwhile practically immune to criticism. In fact, mention this shit and the EEEEEEEtalia patrol comes after your ass.
Only Wild, me and Sam are truly vocal critics of him (there are others so don't shoot me if I don't remember everyone).
The rest of the forum either respect him or think of him as a legend.

Kessie behaved with a fraction of this dishonour and is rightly cast off.
To me P!rl0 shat and spat on us in his Juve dress and should be treated the same in a perfect world.

 

[leaf]

30 years of top flight management and has never defended a single major title despite having THE most stacked squads in WORLD FOOTBALL

Amazing

such a silly troll
consecutive wins is now the barometer for what constitutes great

but Pep is the GOAT for going over a decade without winning the CL

 

[Ashish]

Pirlo is the greatest player Milan has seen since Baresi. Fulcrum of World Cup, 2 cls , 10 scudetti, I euro final , 3 cls finals along with one legendary Carlo Istanbul choke

Poor galliani made a mistake. Revived juve from death and started them on decade of domination on this ass league. Should have build around him with Vidal or some other worker.

Maestro needs to come back we can’t have both Rivera and pirlo both be far away from Milan.

Disrespect to legend like him caused a pestilence like bennacer as my playmaker for half a decade.

Enough I want pirlo back

 

[sheva]

arsenal are gonna win CL before us, aren't they