The Rumour Commode XLVII: Foamseca is out

[Bringfriends]

You all doing little math with your calculators, but don't see that the worst case scenario might happen...we lose the final and finish 6th, so we are forced to play matches with no real value in the Conference League.

 

[Ryo]

You all doing little math with your calculators, but don't see that the worst case scenario might happen...we lose the final and finish 6th, so we are forced to play matches with no real value in the Conference League.

If Baloney win the Coppa and finish 5th, then 6tth place is still Europa league.

 

[Alo88]

I don't posesss either a microscope nor a full catalogue of what you've said or haven't said on anything, so I won't bother.

Today's interview for me crystallized why it was never rose-tinted spectacles. Leonardo/Maldini and later Maldini/Boban/Massara never operated with anything sembling a functionally good operating environment. They succeeded in spite. Which is a well known fact actually, not something you bandy about. The sporting faction that lead Elliotts tenure, with Gazidis at the helm, managed to win a Scudetto and build a winning team from nothing. And not only nothing, buy with nothing while cutting cost. Insert some algorithmic mongoloid from the Cardinale playbook and you never achieve that piece of history. If you don't think Maldini and all he embodies and brings was a critical component of that, you must have brain damage. For every one with working eye sight and intellect it was obvious what his presence, leadership and frankly taste did do to further the Milan project. Not just THAT project, but the project of Milan.

We seem to be inhabiting different operating systems. THIS gave us a system, but not a soul? Why the fuck wouldn't Boban and Maldini have given us a system as well? They were basically creating a winning team out of scraps and good luck. They will never be re-hired, and they clashed full on with the ownership model of... failing? I see much clamoring, from you among them, about our "masochism" - IE people from important eras of this club pointing out why it's a shitshow and then instead of pointing to the ones responsible, rather cry about said people telling it as it is.

It's frankly despicable how some here have swooned reality into thinking that what came after was really just rational, and that people pointing out the lack of both soul and system are missing the great vibe. Or something. Maybe that something nothing may be @Edu-bY-A , a faceless avatar of nothing color with nothing interesting to say about anything.

You're right – we are running on different operating systems. And that's fine.

But let's not pretend one OS is built on truth and soul and the other on delusion and brain damage. That goes for both sides of the debate. That’s exactly the kind of binary I’d like to push back eventhough it's difficult because of the nature of a discussing forum.

For the record: I’ve never denied the significance of Maldini, tho. Not once. Not in this thread, not in any other. He was vital – in spirit, in stature, in credibility. His presence gave the Milan brand back its spine after years of banter-induced scoliosis. But I also don’t see him as infallible. Great leaders can do great things – and still make flawed decisions. And that’s where my criticism lies. Not in spite. In nuance.

You say Maldini & co. built a winning team out of nothing. I agree. But let’s not rewrite history. That process was messy, disjointed, often improvised. It needed some years before picking up steam and seeing a return. There was no system. There was conviction, heart, and a few masterstrokes – but also a lot of chaos. That doesn’t diminish what they achieved. But it’s not a functioning structure either. It was alchemy, not architecture.

Now we have structure, numbers, algorithms, probably way too much of it – and it’s cold. Detached. Lacking empathy. I don’t celebrate that. I worry about it. Just like I worried back then that heart alone wouldn’t be enough to keep us competitive long-term. Especially after Maldini last (which was Redbirds first) season. That’s not swooning reality. That’s trying to look at the full picture – the good, the bad, the contradictory.

As for Boban "telling it as it is" – I don’t doubt he believes what he says. But his timing and delivery scream ego more than service to the club. It’s not the truth that bothers me – it’s the theatre. And that theatre serves him, not Milan.

If we want to be more than a cult of past glories or an algorithmic experiment with no soul, we need to learn to hold both truths at once: that Maldini was essential, and that his exit exposed serious weaknesses. That Redbird brought method – and lost the magic and connection to their most important stakeholders, the fans.

I’m not crying because people are pointing fingers. I’m crying because no one’s building bridges.

 

[Ludwig]

Players come and go, sell Reijnder for 80m before he becomes burden like Leao & Theo.

 

[Ryo]

Players come and go, sell Reijnder for 80m before he becomes burden like Leao & Theo.

Or keep him and play him for a couple more seasons and sell when his value is 150M

 

[ACM14061988]

Part 2 is online

 

[CDarius]

24hrs from now ill be landing in Rome.
So far my record when watching Milan live (all in San Siro) is 3W-4D...i guess i will go for a 4W-4D

 

[Ryo]

Fonseca (MD 1 to MD 18)


Conceicao (MD 19 to MD 36)

 

[sheva]

It's billy beans fault

Billy beane to an organization full of bean counters

Match made in heaven

 

[R.Akbar]

@_insideMilan has gotten really famous for this simulation.

I even feel that most of X people wants to see this happening.

 

[MilanBG]

You all doing little math with your calculators, but don't see that the worst case scenario might happen...we lose the final and finish 6th, so we are forced to play matches with no real value in the Conference League.

If we have just a tiny bit of brain we would lose both games after the final if we fail to secure EL through it.

 

[R.Akbar]

It's billy beans fault

I watched the Moneyball last night.

I can really tell why it can be applied in Baseball (and American football) but not in other sports.

 

[pippofan]

Juve are most likely to get 4th spot honestly. I don’t see how they don’t get at least 2 points from their last 2 games. We needed to have 3 more points at this stage to stand a good chance

Lazio could run into problem as they have Inter plus relegation fighting Lecce

None of these matters anyways as we have to beat Roma as well. The last spot is likely gone this coming weekend before we even play Roma.

This week-end and next every match will start at the same hour so there will be no advantage of early games vs later ones.

 

[The Cat]

Wouldn't mind selling reijnders for over 80m...as long as the funds are used wisely which is a big ask

 

[pippofan]

As far as former players and coaches like Sacchi and Capello criticizing the club, most of them have TV jobs at DAZN, SKY, Mediaset, RAI, and even outside Italy. Ambrosini, Costacurta, Gullit, Eranio, Boban, Panucci, and others recall a Milan that typified class, pride, how wearing the red and black jersey was different than others, the feeling of playing at San Siro, and expectations of greatness in Europe.

The trend of funds acquiring clubs whose main priority is making profits is worrisome not only for Milan but for other clubs as well, the lack of passion and love for the colors is pretty evident, especially at Milan that in less than 10 years have had 3 different ownerships after Berlusconi who did us no favor by selling to a broke Chinese after promising to leave Milan in good hands.

So, these former players that get paid to give opinions are justified in their criticisms not because they hate Milan but because they're appalled at what it has become: no soul, no hunger to win, awful transfers, mediocre coaches, empty suits as managers who fight among themselves for control, and an owner who has little knowledge of the sport, only talks about finances and is mostly absent. Many players have probably never met him or had a chat with him. Players have no real incentive to play to the best of their abilities because if the owner doesn't care why should they?

 

[Berlusconi]

The chances of all of these happening in the same week for our champions leagues hope to stay alive was pretty low:

1. Milan beat Bologna
2. Venezia beat Fiorentina
3. Juventus and Lazio draw
4. Atalanta beat Roma


Wish I would’ve put a bet in

 

[WILL2K]

I don't think we should sell Reijnders but let's say we will entertain an offer between 70 to 80 mil euros.

Who would we replace him with? His replacement needs to not only have the technical skill but also the insane fitness levels he has, as well as the workrate, and class he brings. We need that guarantee.

Off the pitch, he represents Milan very well too and is likeable.

If you have a direct replacement, fine. I do not want to see 3 RLCs/Musahs because that will not raise the quality of the squad. We need to raise the quality of the squad to stay competitive. If we cannot do that, keep him as missing out on the CL next year or underperforming can be costlier.

The same goes for Theo, Leao, Mike, Pulisic or even Santi. If you can find a direct replacement or nearly as good with great potential, then you can consider selling them. But not for replacing a very good/great player with 3 above average players who will probably need time to adjust to the team and the league.

As of today, I do not see anyone with Reijnders' characteristics and the guarantee he brings (consistency, skill and fitness - knock wood) for less than 50 mil.

 

[The Cat]

Boban says: "Scaroni couldn't go to the League and Maldini told him I could go. He asked me for my CV, I told him to go to hell"​

 

[Alo88]

As far as former players and coaches like Sacchi and Capello criticizing the club, most of them have TV jobs at DAZN, SKY, Mediaset, RAI, and even outside Italy. Ambrosini, Costacurta, Gullit, Eranio, Boban, Panucci, and others recall a Milan that typified class, pride, how wearing the black and red jersey was different than others, the feeling of playing at San Siro, and expectations of greatness in Europe.

The trend of funds acquiring clubs whose main priority is making profits is worrisome not only for Milan but for other clubs as well, the lack of passion and love for the colors is pretty evident, especially at Milan that in less than 10 years have had 3 different ownerships after Berlusconi who did us no favor by selling to a broke Chinese after promising to leave Milan in good hands.

So, these former players that get paid to give opinions are justified in their criticisms not because they hate Milan but because they're appalled at what it has become: no soul, no hunger to win, awful transfers, mediocre coaches, empty suits as managers who fight among themselves for control, and an owner who has little knowledge of the sport, only talks about finances and is mostly absent. Many players have probably never met him or had a chat with him. Players have no real incentive to play to the best of their abilities because if the owner doesn't care why should they?

I agree with pretty much everything you wrote – except that last sentence. What do you mean with "no real incentive to play to the best of their abilities"?

Do they play for the hedge fund owner they’ve never met – or for the tens of thousands at San Siro, and the millions glued to their screens around the world? Because those are the people ultimately paying for their wages, Lambos, yachts and villas. And even if you leave the fans out of the equation, what about personal pride? Professional standards? Ambition? You don’t need to shake Gerry’s hand to feel the desire to win, to make your mark, to be remembered.

Not knowing the owner is not an excuse to sleepwalk through matches. It’s not him a player owes his effort to – it’s to himself, his teammates, his coaches, his family, the crest on his chest and the people who fill this sport with meaning, no? Otherwise, what are we even doing here?
And even if you leave that out of the equation – they’ve got, what, give or take 5 million reasons a year in euros or dollars to give a damn and play to their best abilities. That’s more than most people in here will see in a lifetime. This isn’t Sunday league. This is AC Milan. You don’t need to love the owner. Not even the coach. But at the very least, respect the jersey, the salary, the fans and the profession.

 

[pippofan]

I agree with pretty much everything you wrote – except that last sentence. What do you mean with "no real incentive to play to the best of their abilities"?

Do they play for the hedge fund owner they’ve never met – or for the tens of thousands at San Siro, and the millions glued to their screens around the world? Because those are the people ultimately paying for their wages, Lambos, yachts and villas. And even if you leave the fans out of the equation, what about personal pride? Professional standards? Ambition? You don’t need to shake Gerry’s hand to feel the desire to win, to make your mark, to be remembered.

Not knowing the owner is not an excuse to sleepwalk through matches. It’s not him a player owes his effort to – it’s to himself, his teammates, his coaches, his family, the crest on his chest and the people who fill this sport with meaning, no? Otherwise, what are we even doing here?
And even if you leave that out of the equation – they’ve got, what, give or take 5 million reasons a year in euros or dollars to give a damn and play to their best abilities. That’s more than most people in here will see in a lifetime. This isn’t Sunday league. This is AC Milan. You don’t need to love the owner. Not even the coach. But at the very least, respect the jersey, the salary, the fans and the profession.

Well, in that case some players are just lazy because we often criticize their efforts or lack of concentration in some of the goals we concede. We are a long way from Berlusconi in the locker-room screaming "attaccare!" and I'm sure ADL at Napoli talks often to the players to encourage, congratulate, or even complain. It's probably no big deal in the grand scheme of things, like Ibra and Furlani not visiting Milanello often while Maldini and Massara were there every day. I will never forget Massara crying sitting by himself, tears of joy for winning the scudetto.
Just something I threw out there but obviously not the reason why by December we were already out of the title race. Everything is too impersonal and robotic, lacks the human element, for what I like to see for my club.

 

[R.Akbar]

Boban says: "Scaroni couldn't go to the League and Maldini told him I could go. He asked me for my CV, I told him to go to hell"​

one thing that i don't like about boban is:
He is still bitter about the past, when he should've moved on.

 

[sheva]

Nothing about his life could have given them pause?

Giving them careers and a living should've provided enough pause by itself

 

[Massaro94]

 

[sheva]

Ancelotti like Maldini was not present at Berlusconi's funeral, these people have zero respect from me and so it should be from all Milan fans

- not attending berlus funeral
- not congratulating Milan upon winning trophies after his departure
- giving press interviews after said departure where he's the only saint in Milano who wants the club to win
- calling out the cheapness of your boss in front of public media at CL semi final pre-match

"why was I booted out like a dog?"

 

[sheva]

Horrible timing, could’ve said this after the final. Seems self-serving.

No, he loves the club too much so it had to be said now

 

[MW6]

No

Fonseca (MD 1 to MD 18)
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Conceicao (MD 19 to MD 36)
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Now do the Champions League. (Not defending Fonseca, but otherwise its nitpicking)

 

[sheva]

No

Now do the Champions League. (Not defending Fonseca, but otherwise its nitpicking)

Not even in comparison for Fonz success in CL versus the failure of conceicao, comparing a 2/3 match per week schedule (+NT obligation) to conceicao's 1 per week for the most part + complete involvement in the January transfer market is laughable.

Yes, Fonseca had pre season. He spent 90% of it teaching defenders how to mark and midfielders how to progressive pass after Pioli quiet quit about two seasons ago. Didn't manage to get to the attacking department yet.

 

[Myalon]

I am shocked that some people approve a probable sale of Reijnders. Even at 80m (it may be worth more) it is our only top medium.

I do not really understand you you complain about the transfers and ambitions of the club but you are OK for the start of the team's best player.

I will be disgusted to see Reijnders in City this mercenary club with a coach who feels invulnerable by spending billions.

Either we are a respectable club we keep our top players or we are a training club for the PL as much to aim for the conference league in this case.

To listen to some we would sell Hernandez, Leao, reijnders our best players but they never say by who to replace them . Yet to read them Hernandez and Leao are easily replaceable football pipes.

 

[finnishhacker]

Tonali running down his contract and then coming back to us

 

[WaL]

Walker to return to city.
God is good.