The Rumour Commode XLVIII: Tare Tare Sauce

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Elliott didn’t genuinely love us.

But they are genuinely the best thing to happen to us post-Berlu.
They are the reason we are stuck in this limbo. They didn't want to sell to InvestCorp.
Why do you think Singer showed up at the stadium more than Cardinale did this season?
Because Elliott still owns the club(plus minority stake) because Redbird still hasn't repaid the loans.
 

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They are the reason we are stuck in this limbo. They didn't want to sell to InvestCorp.
Why do you think Singer showed up at the stadium more than Cardinale did this season?
Because Elliott still owns the club(plus minority stake) because Redbird still hasn't repaid the loans.
We can say Redbird have proven themselves to be amply incapable of managing Milan thus far.

But I’m not that convinced Investcorp were what we dream of. It’s not like the choice was between a sovereign fund and Redbird.

People had to download multiple pdfs to find Mubala. The links to any real wealth were tenuous at worst and unclear at best.
 

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We can say Redbird have proven themselves to be amply incapable of managing Milan thus far.

But I’m not that convinced Investcorp were what we dream of. It’s not like the choice was between a sovereign fund and Redbird.

People had to download multiple pdfs to find Mubala. The links to any real wealth were tenuous at worst and unclear at best.
Redbird AUM $12 billion
Investcorp AUM $50 billion as of 2023

For perspective Como owners Djarum Group is worth $48 billion

I don't trust Elliott
Am I supposed to believe that somehow Elliott hasn't been able to find a buyer for the biggest club in Italy?
Something shady has been going on in the background
 

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Shocked someone hasn’t brought up JLo saying she’s mid cuz Gerry got her ass shaking in his face.
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Elliott didn’t genuinely love us.

But they are genuinely the best thing to happen to us post-Berlu.
I think Gordon has become a fan of Milan, but comparing Elliott's approaches to Oaktree's (so far)--Elliott look benevolent in comparison. I happen to respect the way they do business, their Barnes and Noble turnaround is impressive.
 

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I think Gordon has become a fan of Milan, but comparing Elliott's approaches to Oaktree's (so far)--Elliott look benevolent in comparison. I happen to respect the way they do business, their Barnes and Noble turnaround is impressive.
When Gordon is cheering when Milan is scoring he is cheering for his family's company investment doing well and probably winning a bet he placed.
I don't know why people think Gordon is a Milan fan.
I'm not convinced.
 

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Prefer him over the Swiss Albanian kid.



Girl Why Dont We Have Both GIF
 

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Redbird AUM $12 billion
Investcorp AUM $50 billion as of 2023

For perspective Como owners Djarum Group is worth $48 billion

I don't trust Elliott
Am I supposed to believe that somehow Elliott hasn't been able to find a buyer for the biggest club in Italy?
Something shady has been going on in the background
AUM doesn't mean shit if they're not going to use it on the club.
How much AUM does Oaktree have? $172 Billion.
How much are they spending on Merda? None. Merda have to use their own revenues to pay off their fucking debts.

People familiar with Investcorp back when we were a rumored target already said that if they had bought Milan, it would have been more of Elliot style investing (meaning loans + Obligations), not mad investing into the club.
 

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Because spending 30-40 million for Jashari would be a waste of money that we don't possess
we don't have even with selling musah?
If management really likes the kid, both of them could slide in and replace modric/xhaka. Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world and their value is probably going to go up
 

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AUM doesn't mean shit if they're not going to use it on the club.
How much AUM does Oaktree have? $172 Billion.
How much are they spending on Merda? None. Merda have to use their own revenues to pay off their fucking debts.

People familiar with Investcorp back when we were a rumored target already said that if they had bought Milan, it would have been more of Elliot style investing (meaning loans + Obligations), not mad investing into the club.
InvestCorp wanted to buy Milan outright. Elliott wanted them to either take the loan/interest deal or were asking too much money upfront and that scared them off.

Redbird being the best company Elliott could find to sell Milan to is bullshit.
How do you fail to find a serious buyer to sell the biggest club in Italy to after they won scudetto and got CL football?

EDIT: Also Oaktree is worth 200 billion and its owner Brookfield is 900 billion
We are so lucky they don't give a fuck about Inter
 
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we don't have even with selling musah?
If management really likes the kid, both of them could slide in and replace modric/xhaka. Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world and their value is probably going to go up
I would prefer to use the 20m we get from Musah to get Jonathan David on a free and pay his salary with those money.
 

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We can say Redbird have proven themselves to be amply incapable of managing Milan thus far.

But I’m not that convinced Investcorp were what we dream of. It’s not like the choice was between a sovereign fund and Redbird.

People had to download multiple pdfs to find Mubala. The links to any real wealth were tenuous at worst and unclear at best.
Investcorp's most flashy work was with Gucci, and they were part of Gucci's dramatic turnaround and promotion of Tom Ford--but that was in the 80's and 90's, and since then, the last 20ish years have seen them focus on unglamorous, but profitable businesses, like pharmaceuticals, parking management companies, meat production, and truck parts distributors. Yes, they own Corneliani, but my only hunch is that they wanted to leverage their stake of United Talent Agency to maximize Milan--but they sold that stake UTA in 2022, so perhaps they gave up on whatever plan they had? But that's just conjecture.

I have no idea how Investcorp would have done with Milan, they don't really have experience in sport--and their investments have been much more centered in securities and other financial services, among other non-flashy industries. Would they have kept Maldini? Would they have had the success that Redbird had with San Donato as a leverage point for a stadium? Or would they have leveraged their knowledge of Italian business culture (they invest in Italian companies like CloudCare) to maximize Milan's interests?

I also don't think money is the problem with Milan, the revenues generated by Milan are there--Redbird chose to put San Donato on Milan's books when that wasn't necessary for FFP reasons. I believe they did the same with Futuro costs, but I may be mistaken.

Investcorp being Middle Eastern spells out extravagence to most fans, and Investcorp are not some vehicle for a mysterious Sheikh to make Milan its plaything--even if I daydream about Berlusconi selling Milan to Qatar all those years ago--but I don't think Investcorp would operate that differently to Elliott, though. Maybe they would be even worse than Redbird? Maybe they would be worse at the stadium than Redbird, who I still think have done a good job, as I think a stadium in San Siro might have been their real goal, or that San Donato and San Siro both had plusses and minuses that made them to find both acceptable.

Redbird are operating like subcontractors who are tasked with maximizing an asset, and they thought they could cut-corners and now it has bitten them in the ass.
 

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When Gordon is cheering when Milan is scoring he is cheering for his family's company investment doing well and probably winning a bet he placed.
I don't know why people think Gordon is a Milan fan.
I'm not convinced.
Because he goes to important games and looks like he's excited when we win? He also doesn't crave attention like Gerry, who only shows his face when things are good, which has been very little during his tenure. Obviously, if Gordon did a bad job with Milan, we'd all hate him, such is the fickle nature of fans. I just respect his approach, he hasn't tried to ape Jerry Jones to make himself a main character, unlike our current owner, who currently sulks because his 2011 tech-fueled "let's disrupt the market!" Billy Beane-led bullshit blew up in his face and has resulted in the disaster that is our current state.

The difference between Elliott and Redbird is stark.
 

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I have no idea how Investcorp would have done with Milan, they don't really have experience in sport
And Redbird does?:ibralol:
And don't say Toulouse since even Toulouse fans shat on Gerry.

Why is the Man City owner an investor on Redbird?
The ownership of Milan is so weird.
 

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Because he goes to important games and looks like he's excited when we win?
He could be excited because he placed bets on us or because his investment is doing well.
It doesn't mean he is a fan just because he's cheering.
Stop simping for Elliott please.
 

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And Redbird does?:ibralol:
And don't say Toulouse since even Toulouse fans shat on Gerry.

Why is the Man City owner an investor on Redbird?
The ownership of Milan is so weird.
Yes, Redbird does--they have experience in sports media with the YES Network (for the Yankees) and Gerry was a big part of the financing for Yankee stadium. I believe he was part of the Cowboy's stadium development, if not, the executives he assembled for Milan's stadium were part of that.

In the areas where Redbird have expertise, they have done a good job, I don't deny that.

They have invested in sports, and that's great, but they did not have the experience to run a club like Milan--that's why they fired Maldini and Massara and replaced them with Moncada, and why they replaced Gazidis with Furlani, rather than someone who has experience in the position.

Mansour's dealings with Redbird are over The Telegraph, a UK newspaper. Mansour isn't going to Redbird for their sporting prowess.
 
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Yes, Redbird does--they have experience in sports media with the YES Network (for the Yankees) and Gerry was a big part of the financing for Yankee stadium. I believe he was part of the Cowboy's stadium development, if not, the executives he assembled for Milan's stadium were part of that.

In the areas where Redbird have expertise, they have done a good job, I don't deny that.

They have invested in sports, and that's great, but they did not have the experience to run a club like Milan--that's why they fired Maldini and Massara and replaced them with Moncada, and why they replaced Gazidis with Furlani, rather than someone who has experience in the position.

Mansour's dealings with Redbird are over The Telegraph, a UK newspaper. Mansour isn't going to Redbird for their sporting prowess.
Yeah I too read the wikipedia article. They don't have experience with sports. But nice spin there from sports -> sports media :g:
 

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