The Rumour Commode XXIX: The real Maldoban era.

[joyrider]

RB Leipzig striker Timo Werner would become the main target for a Milan side coached by Ralf Rangnick, claim reports in Italy.

 

[Kojak]

Theo has had half a good season what makes you think he's going to be a superstar more than our other young players.

It's not factual it's merely an opinion and you can't seem to get round the fact that Theo still needs to prove himself just like the others.

Sighhhhh

Lol you really are dense aren’t you? You’re just going to ignore everything I said about his past again despite me mentioning it several times? I already told you that he belongs in the same category as Donna + Roma because a) he graduated from a top academy b) played a season for RM c) played his entire career in the top flight d) performed very well in his debut season in Italy etc.

But keep picking and choosing the parts that suit you and ignoring the rest

 

[Nostradamus]

RB Leipzig striker Timo Werner would become the main target for a Milan side coached by Ralf Rangnick, claim reports in Italy.

 

[Kojak]

In DeLigts case I wasn't talking about what they paid for him (which was insane and under everyone's eyes as you put it correctly), but the MV he's valued at as per transfermarkt.de. Kepa for example was valued 20M (which seems okayish) when Chelsea splashed 80M for him (no words here, really).

Theos rapid increase of MV has surely a lot to do with his goals and assists. Those are stats who boost ones MV. That said those numbers are a consequence of Theo playing a much more central role than Bennacer in our attack. He's another winger basically. Bennacer has other stats who speak for him. Stats like balls recovered per game, dribblings made per game, key passes per game, pass accuracy... Stats who are way more important for the role he has to cover in the center of our midfield (being it regista or anchor or whatever you want to put it) than goals and assists. However those are no stats that boost your MV like goals and assists do.

All of that being said: In my eyes both have been equaly important for us this season. Without Theo our offensive would have been indeed dire especially during our 4-3-3 without Ibra but with Suso as your focal point. But without someone like Bennacer who basically was carrying the whole midfield while Kessie was choking big times and leaving all the dirty work to him our team would have continued to look just as awful as under GP who prefered to bench Bennacer.

Kepa is an anomaly given that Chelsea activated his release clause which is why they paid such an astronomical fee (80m). As for De Ligt, his transfermarkt value for Ajax prior to being sold was the same as the fee Juventus eventually paid (75m). Now, obviously that seems overpriced but you have to remember that he was coming off an extremely successful season where he won the league + cup double and reached the CL semi final as a teenage captain. Also, in this post-Neymar market, transfer fees are massively inflated, especially for defensive players (e.g. Alisson/Kepa) let alone a teenage CB. Now, although he hasn't set the world on fire at Juve, given that it's only been half a season and he's still extremely young, his market value is roughly the same. However, if the season continues and he doesn't improve then I'd expect it to drop in summer.

Re Theo, obviously his attacking play is his strongpoint and his ability to score/create goals is the driving factor behind his price increase (just like Juve paid 40m for Cancelo for the same reason). However, if you're going to talk about stats then you can't ignore the fact that he's one of the strongest players defensively in his position too. E.g. he averages at least the same if not more tackles/interceptions/blocks per game than most of his contemporaries e.g. Alex Sandro, Kolarov, Mario Rui, Gosens, Biraghi etc. Therefore, he's not a one trick pony but obviously he still needs to improve in this area of his game.

As for Bennacer, he suffers from the opposite problem whereby he's strong defensively but hasn't contributed a single goal/assist all season (even Kessie has a couple). Therefore, people talking about him as the next Verratti are clueless because the latter is highly creative and contributes a number of goals over the season. Also, if you compare Bennacer to his Serie A contemporaries like Brozovic/De Roon or even the likes of Tonali/Pulgar, he's the only one without a single goal/assist whereas the rest have at least 5 if not many more. Therefore, he isn't the modern DM everybody's making him out to be which is why the likes of Tonali are the talk of the town instead of him.

 

[vB9]

It isn't that bad. Acting like we are constantly finishing midtable and below. Worst finish is 10th and then 8th. Had worse b2b seasons back in the 90's when we had far better players back then. In fact our last 4 finishes are no different to how they were in the 80's and then look what happened, had the right owner and found the right coach.

The problem we have is we have money people and not football people making the decisions. The business model isnt the wrong one moving forward it's just the execution of how you go about it.

It is that bad! We've always gone long stretches without silverware but the one thing we've ALWAYS had was world class players... no more!

 

[vB9]

The finished article thing is nonsense, that's what Barca and Real do and more often than not they fail with those type of signings. You need to sign players who are ready to grow into the next level, like Liverpool did with Mane, VVD, Salah. Players aged 23-25, like we did with Van Goaten, Gullit, Sheva etc not 28-30 because they really don't have much more room for development at that age and already on the decline.

Basten, Gullit, & Frank were top players of the day when Milan bought them... Papin was the B'd'Or holder when we signed him.


The finished article isnt always 27/28yo... I was thinking of CR at Utd when Real got him.

 

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RB Leipzig striker Timo Werner would become the main target for a Milan side coached by Ralf Rangnick, claim reports in Italy.

He's great. A bit of a head case but beggars can't be choosers

 

[vB9]

https://www.football-italia.net/151894/extreme-idea-serie-all-rome

Extreme idea: Serie A all in Rome?

Lol!

 

[MilanBG]

He's great. A bit of a head case but beggars can't be choosers

I can't see why he would come here unless Ralf is like a father figure to him

I read somewhere that he is hesitant to go to Liverpool as he will not be a starter there and is aiming to do the best for his career and development.

 

[CanUNoTouch]

Basten, Gullit, & Frank were top players of the day when Milan bought them... Papin was the B'd'Or holder when we signed him.


The finished article isnt always 27/28yo... I was thinking of CR at Utd when Real got him.

C dot was not the finished article when he joined Real. He became that at Real, like Van Goaten, Gullit did at Milan.

Papin was already 28 when he joined us and Marseille got all his best years.

 

[vB9]

C'mon... be fair, his last 2 seasons at Utd - that was the CR Real had for the next so many years.

 

[BreadPitt]

About what? I'm confused if you are agreeing or disagreeing and on what

Agreeing with you!

 

[Il grande Milan]

I heard player values diminished with around 30% because of this corona crisis. Is this true?

 

[Alec]

RB Leipzig striker Timo Werner would become the main target for a Milan side coached by Ralf Rangnick, claim reports in Italy.

Sounds like classic Italian journalism here. Zero substance in that rumor right now.

 

[ROSSONERI7]

Sounds like classic Italian journalism here. Zero substance in that rumor right now.

Zlatan calls them to update them on his weekly changing decision on whether he'll stay or go.
he even gives them percentages sometimes

 

[rossonero1]

If Rangnick did join then who is to say he doesn’t bring in a few veteran players as well? He has never been at a club that would be able to attract top talent like he would be at Milan. He’s always had to build from within. Milan would certainly open more doors for him than being at Leipzig, Schalke, etc.

 

[ROSSONERI7]

If Rangnick did join then who is to say he doesn’t bring in a few veteran players as well? He has never been at a club that would be able to attract top talent like he would be at Milan. He’s always had to build from within. Milan would certainly open more doors for him than being at Leipzig, Schalke, etc.

i believe, it's his preference to build that way.
heard him talk about his preference for young players that are eager to be tought so he can mold them... (relatively) blank minds where he can download his software...and i think he takes pride in that

not saying he would be against signing a couple of slightly older players (24-26), but not Veterans...
young players are his preference and more conducive to what he wants to do ...

with what they (RB) have been doing for years now, i'm sure that project could attract quite a few Veterans if they wanted


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i can see us snatching a couple of under the radar 24-26 y.o if he comes ... would probably not be household names either, but who are putting decent to good numbers.

i also don't believe in links with his players like Werner, Upamecano ... typical italian reporting. link every player who has done well with a coach to his new club....
our line is clear, and i think he's also of that philosophy: sign these players before they become "the shit"... before all of Europe is after them ...

 

[IL Diavolo 3]

I think Ragnick does not wanna occupy two postions, he wants to be SD. Elliott wants to rebuild every department, so major changes will be at managerial level and how the club operates on sporting level.

It is a long process if he joins, his work will need time and patience to bear fruits. His choice in coach will be an interesting thing to observe.

 

[MilanBG]

Reportedly we are interested in David Silva. Sounds a bit too good to be true considering the youth policy and his wage

 

[brk]

I think Ragnick does not wanna occupy two postions, he wants to be SD. Elliott wants to rebuild every department, so major changes will be at managerial level and how the club operates on sporting level.

It is a long process if he joins, his work will need time and patience to bear fruits. His choice in coach will be an interesting thing to observe.

He'll probably spend the first season as the coach also. On the other hand I can't think of another Italian coach more suitable be a coach under Rangnick than Pioli. Zero ego, very flexible tactically, players like him and he's been playing a similar playstyle since December.

 

[Nalim]

I can't see why he would come here unless Ralf is like a father figure to him

I read somewhere that he is hesitant to go to Liverpool as he will not be a starter there and is aiming to do the best for his career and development.

He publicly begged Liverpool to come get him a few months ago. I don't think he'll be hesitant to go there if they come knocking. I don't think however that Liverpool would go for him if they don't sell one of Salah, Firmino, Mané. Would love to see him in Milan but there is no chance of that happening.

 

[Mr. Milanista]

I hate reading stuff like this. It truly makes me worried about the future of our club... we dont deserve to be where we are, we belong at the top

 

[KujaIX]

Reportedly we are interested in David Silva. Sounds a bit too good to be true considering the youth policy and his wage

He's 34... It's not like he's 28 or 31.

Also, classic Kojak being the most obnoxious moron in a thread.

Bennacer winning player of the tournament at AFCON is much more impressive than anything Theo had done so far. To deny that is to be so blinkered that you're an idiot.

Market value doesn't say the whole story - and I'll use one example: We signed Ibrahimovic on an extremely favourable 24m deal paid over 3 years. In fact, I even remember people at the time (your ancestors and progenitors I must presume) that said we shouldn't go for the deal because if he's so cheap he must be shit. We then sold Thiago Silva, best CB in the world at the time, for absolute peanuts. Again, he really was worse than Phil Jones etc at the time, right?

No. Market value is an almost meaningless statistic because it gets stretched to high hell and back by utter nonsense that doesn't measure how good a player is.

A player is not better because they play in the PL, because they're French or because they came through the Madrid academy. They can be just as shit and worse than someone who plays in the Moldovan league, is Malian and came through the FC Copenhagen academy.

Kojak as a scout - "Well, they came through the academy of a team I've never heard of, they play in Russia, and they're only worth 6m on a Goal.com article that was written in 2016 - No buy"

Open your eyes and stop being so dense.

 

[MilanBG]

He's 34... It's not like he's 28 or 31.

If he was 28 he would cost 60 m. Right now he is free
He will be a massive upgrade over anything we have in his area. If he agrees on a normal wage I would get him without even thinking about it.

 

[Kojak]

He's 34... It's not like he's 28 or 31.

Also, classic Kojak being the most obnoxious moron in a thread.

Bennacer winning player of the tournament at AFCON is much more impressive than anything Theo had done so far. To deny that is to be so blinkered that you're an idiot.

Market value doesn't say the whole story - and I'll use one example: We signed Ibrahimovic on an extremely favourable 24m deal paid over 3 years. In fact, I even remember people at the time (your ancestors and progenitors I must presume) that said we shouldn't go for the deal because if he's so cheap he must be shit. We then sold Thiago Silva, best CB in the world at the time, for absolute peanuts. Again, he really was worse than Phil Jones etc at the time, right?

No. Market value is an almost meaningless statistic because it gets stretched to high hell and back by utter nonsense that doesn't measure how good a player is.

A player is not better because they play in the PL, because they're French or because they came through the Madrid academy. They can be just as shit and worse than someone who plays in the Moldovan league, is Malian and came through the FC Copenhagen academy.

Kojak as a scout - "Well, they came through the academy of a team I've never heard of, they play in Russia, and they're only worth 6m on a Goal.com article that was written in 2016 - No buy"

Open your eyes and stop being so dense.

LOL idiot - I never said that market value alone was the reason why Theo has a higher probability of becoming WC than Bennacer. I also factored in both offensive/defensive stats, performances, transfer rumours, critics opinions, prior club history etc.

Also, your examples are just as dumb as your arguments e.g. everybody knows that Ibra and Guardiola didn't get along so Barcelona were desperate to offload him especially given his extortionate salary. Similarly, we were equally desperate to get rid of both TS and Ibra given our dire financial situation hence the favourable prices.

Also, LMAO @ Bennacer winning AFCON player of the tournament being a better achievement than playing for RM. Although it's a decent award, it's totally incomparable to winning WC or European player of the tournament because the standards are vastly lower e.g. Algeria won the tournament but aren't even ranked in the top 20 by FIFA LOL. To put things in perspective, Christian Bassogog won the same award in the 2017 competition and now plies his trade for some midtable Chinese club ahahaha.

At the end of the day, market values are a strong indicator of a players worth and the fact that Bennacer hasn't contributed a single goal/assist all season unlike the rest of his contemporaries like Brozovic/De Roon or even those at fodder clubs like Tonali/Pulgar is the reason why nobody's talking about him.

 

[Kojak]

KujaIX scouting - "Hey Gazidis, forget hiring Ralf, the best way to sign future WC superstars is by signing every AFCON player of the tournament in living history, even if they're 100 years old. It's the only guaranteed measure of a players greatness and supersedes playing for any European giant..."

2019 - Bennacer (helped get Empoli relegated)
2017 - Bassogog (midtable Chinese club)
2015 - Atsu (midtable EPL club)
2013 - Pitroipa (Ligue 2 France)
2012 - Katongo (Zambian league)
2010 - Hassan (Egyptian league)
2008 - Rabo (Egyptian league)

 

[Alo88]

Zlatan calls them to update them on his weekly changing decision on whether he'll stay or go.

he even gives them percentages sometimes

He doesn't need to speak for himself. Newspapers can use "those who are close to him" to get insider infos.

 

[vB9]

Maldini 'recovers from coronavirus'

Recovers in time to go pick up his P45 or wotever the Italian equivalent

 

[General]

One of the hardest decisions of 2020

1. Read another Kojak post where he drones on about useless shit on accident more than I ever could on purpose
2. Willfully contract the Coronavirus

Lesser of two evils conundrum

 

[vB9]

Lol! David Silva - guy has enough offers. Beck's Miami, Iniesta's Kobe, his former club in Spain & one from hometown club Las Palmas.


Silva for a year wud be immense.