The Rumour Commode XXVI: March Fourth!

[Chiko]

We have 1 point more than we had last season at this stage.
Grazie Grintuso for this monumental improvement

Yet people will try to convince you Gattuso is great. I’m just glad Roma and Lazio are even worse.

 

[Deleted member 35916]

It's kinda amazing that ppl aren't seeing the progress we've made.
In other news Lord Carletto is helping us the fuck out

Yes, +1 point more than last season.

Amazing progress.

 

[Chiko]

Yes, +1 point more than last season.

Amazing progress.

Well when you have a coach like Gattuso who plays his favourites like Hakan no matter what, what do you expect.

 

[MilanBG]

Yes, +1 point more than last season.

Amazing progress.

We have improvement though... Don't forget that Gattuso is not a rookie anymore

A merda win today would be great. 3 weeks ago some people here were aiming at the 2nd spot like it makes any difference A draw would be ok too, a win for Lazio would be terrible

 

[MilanBG]

Wait Roma sacked Ranieri or my Italian is very bad?

 

[rossonero1]

We have improvement though... Don't forget that Gattuso is not a rookie anymore

A merda win today would be great. 3 weeks ago some people here were aiming at the 2nd spot like it makes any difference A draw would be ok too, a win for Lazio would be terrible

Gattuso would have been sacked already in the first half of the season had Romagnoli not saved his ass twice.

 

[rossonero1]

If Milan don't beat Udinese midweek they won't finish top 4.

 

[Deleted member 35916]

Wait, so we have better players this year than last, yet we are only 1 point better?

Hmm, it's almost as if the coach is absolute garbage....

 

[Samaldinho]

Juventus had 95 points last year. Milan's invincibles only managed 56 points. Therefore, last year's Juve team is better than Milan going undefeated in 92.

 

[Chiko]

Juventus had 95 points last year. Milan's invincibles only managed 56 points. Therefore, last year's Juve team is better than Milan going undefeated in 92.

I get what you trying to do, but it fails on several fronts. Firstly Serie A this season is worse than last season, almost all teams are doing worse. Milan got a better players in addition. Where this fails is your lack of understanding of the two different situations. Milan of 92 competed in a tougher league, this Milan are competing against competitors that are worse than last season, with better players but all we have for it is one point.

 

[rossonero1]

Wait, so we have better players this year than last, yet we are only 1 point better?

Hmm, it's almost as if the coach is absolute garbage....

I would add that Milan are fortunate as well. Inter, Roma, Lazio all not as good as last season yet Milan are doing "great" compared to previous seasons.

 

[Raz]

Juventus had 95 points last year. Milan's invincibles only managed 56 points. Therefore, last year's Juve team is better than Milan going undefeated in 92.

Weak

 

[Omer]

Juventus had 95 points last year. Milan's invincibles only managed 56 points. Therefore, last year's Juve team is better than Milan going undefeated in 92.

WTF?? It used to be 2 points per win in '92. You need to recalculate the 92 points total with 3 points per win and then compare!

Also there were 18 teams in 92 so 4 fewer games.

The right statistic would be average points per game using 3 points per win.

No way would Milan invincibles get 56 points with 3 point system and 38 games!

 

[Thenebra]

Oops

 

[Omer]

Milan 1991-92 had 22 wins and 12 draws from 34 games. With 3 points = 78 Points
That is an average of 2.294 points per game

That average over a 38 match season = 87 points!

 

[joyrider]

I wonder how much Hazard, on his last year and who wants to leave, would cost? I know the ban for Chelsea might make it more complicated, but they risk losing him for free in a year.

he only wants Zidane
apparently Perez has given Zidane a warchest of 5000k for their summer mercato

 

[Omer]

he only wants Zidane
apparently Perez has given Zidane a warchest of 500k for their summer mercato

Just 500k? They can buy Abate with that.

 

[joyrider]

Just 500k? They can buy Abate with that.

i changed it, sunday math is hard

 

[MilanMB]

We're not Juve

we are not Jube

Good that we established that

 

[KujaIX]

Just 500k? They can buy Abate with that.

500k

 

[Pingu]

he only wants Zidane
apparently Perez has given Zidane a warchest of 5000k for their summer mercato

Your update to 5000k isn't much better they can now buy 10 Abate's but 5m won't get them much more. Maybe a free Monto bundled it?

But yeah I heard it was 500m rumored on transfers. Plus Bale outgoing who fill fetch them something.

 

[Milanista92]

Can you imagine having this shit coach and being in CL? Getting hammered weekly by much better clubs?

Imagine how negatively that would impact these young players?

If the management backs him up this summer they should get fired too.

Fuck legends, get competent people to lead the club.

im not overly impressed with rino but you gotta understand we have holes in this squad. Our wingers are slow af and our passing from the midfield isn't the greatest so teams can pressure us and we are kinda fucked.

If leo gets 1 or 2 skilled really fast wingers and another cm this team could transform.

 

[rossonero1]

im not overly impressed with rino but you gotta understand we have holes in this squad. Our wingers are slow af and our passing from the midfield isn't the greatest so teams can pressure us and we are kinda fucked.

If leo gets 1 or 2 skilled really fast wingers and another cm this team could transform.

With a competent coach.

 

[Omer]

im not overly impressed with rino but you gotta understand we have holes in this squad. Our wingers are slow af and our passing from the midfield isn't the greatest so teams can pressure us and we are kinda fucked.

If leo gets 1 or 2 skilled really fast wingers and another cm this team could transform.

slow wingers? That's why Gattuso should be using a formation without wingers.

Having just 3 more points than Atalanta is really really bad! Atalanta doesn't have players like Romagnoli, Piatek, Paqueta.

 

[Milanista92]

slow wingers? That's why Gattuso should be using a formation without wingers.

Having just 3 more points than Atalanta is really really bad! Atalanta doesn't have players like Romagnoli, Piatek, Paqueta.

right, thats why im not impressed i don't think he knows what else to do. But with what we are doing if we upgrade the flanks we'd be a really good team.

 

[Deleted member 35916]

im not overly impressed with rino but you gotta understand we have holes in this squad. Our wingers are slow af and our passing from the midfield isn't the greatest so teams can pressure us and we are kinda fucked.

If leo gets 1 or 2 skilled really fast wingers and another cm this team could transform.

Agreed.

However, "IF" seems to be the key word with this team for the better part of the last decade.

Upgrading players means nothing when you have an inexperienced garbage coach.

And on top of that you have garbage fans that fall in love with said coach and/or management simply because they used to be great players.

Enough of legends, start hiring competent people.

 

[Massaro94]

Solskjaer is Arrigo Sacchi compared to Grintuso.

That's one way to put it

 

[Milanista92]

Agreed.

However, "IF" seems to be the key word with this team for the better part of the last decade.

Upgrading players means nothing when you have an inexperienced garbage coach.

And on top of that you have garbage fans that fall in love with said coach and/or management simply because they used to be great players.

Enough of legends, start hiring competent people.

i wouldn't call him garbage, a lot of "top" coaches are stubborn and play the same formation. He's a good leader and motivator i think he has potential but again you look at a coach like gasperini who comes up with things with lesser talent and they play like that you can't imagine gattuso figuring something like that out.

 

[Samaldinho]

The point of my comment was: comparing years doesn't really make sense. Yes, I made an absurd comparison (and I am aware of the 2 points for a win change, smaller table, etc) because you guys are trying to shit on what Milan is doing (so far).

You're saying that this year is worse than last year, simply because lower point totals. Not just for us. But for everyone. You guys are saying that the lower point totals for everyone from 2nd to whatever, is because the league is weaker.

I'm not sure if I agree. It seems that more teams have stepped up to make this year much more challenging. I just don't get how Lazio and Roma got worse, is the only excuse, because other teams have also gotten considerably better.

Every season is different. You guys are talking about Lazio and Roma, and you guys fixate on offense. Lazio's defense was worse than ours last year. They are still worse than ours this year. The funny part is, our offense is better than Lazio's, too, and they have better weapons than us in Immobile, Alberto, Correa, and SMS (who people here rate for some reason). Roma's defense is considerably worse than ours.

You could argue that Lazio had to score more last year, to overcome their defensive problems. Which is true. But De Vrij, another player who people rate here, left and yet Lazio's defense is considerably better than it was last year? Hmm.

There is no point total you need to win the title. You just need one more than the team in second. People always talk about the magic point total for safety from relegation, but it still changes. If you look at the point total needed for 4th, in 12/13 it was 70 points (Milan got 3rd and CL with 72 points), 13/14 it dropped to 65, then 14/15 at 64, 15/16 at 67, 16/17 at 72. So the variation is quite large.

Now, let's compare that period (widely seen as a weak period of Serie A, rightly so) to the last strong period of Serie A, let's start with 04/05 since that was the first year of 20 teams.

For 4th place in 04/05 you needed 62, but 05/06? That was 54 points, a huge drop off. 06/07 was 61 points. 07-08 was 66 points. In 08/09, it was 68.

Within those seasons, Juventus was relegated, Milan was given a point reduction, and various other story-lines and considerations had to be put into context. Milan not giving a shit about Serie A and focusing on the CL, while Inter won a CL in 09.

But what I have a problem with is that you guys think that because other teams are doing worse, it is the only reason we are doing well, when statistics from last year showed that Gattuso had put Milan on the right track for a while. Milan still being in 4th (so far) is a testament to that. If he doesn't deliver and get 4th, I'm sure he knows that he'll be gone.

We'll see what Gattuso does in the future. I hope the best for him. But talking about "the only reason Milan is in 4th is because Roma and Lazio are worse." That argument annoys me the most because, you could say, the only reason why those two teams even get a chance at the CL is because Milan has been going through a horrific period in its history. Same for Napoli. Milan in 16/17 wasn't buying Piatek or Paqueta, and it wasn't loaning Bakayoko. It was buying Bacca and Jose Sosa while loaning in Pasalic.

So context matters, that's all I'm saying. The amount of detail that people used to debunk (my clearly purposely absurd) comparison of '92 Milan with Juve of last year is the sort of context that should be used when comparing this season to last.

I mean, if Lazio is so shit, why would anyone here want SMS? The logic doesn't check out for me.

 

[Massaro94]

We want CONTE CANTE CUNTE!

No we don't