Italian Football Thread II

[KujaIX]

I'm happy for Cassano. He's a good player and a good guy, he did what was best for his career. He always did well for us when called upon and never spoke ill of the club in general or the fans.

I like him and respect him.

whatt

This is one of the most offensive things I've heard in a while.

A good guy? A good guy who has burnt his bridges at every single club he's been at.

He did well for us because he's a good player. He forced himself out after we stood by him through heart attacks, strokes and a huge lack of fitness.

Despicable attitude and player. Can go and fall in a pothole for all I care.

 

[ZBoban]

Damn Roma play beautiful

 

[Ashish]

When are we going to rename milans cathedral to cassano?

Holy San Cassano worthy of saint hood noble peace prize together

 

[Fiero]

Lamela with the sexy 4th.

What?

Cassano clearly said he had a problem with someone higher up than Allegri.. That'd be Galliani and who claimed "Oh yea, we're going to return to the summit of football" and then promptly sold all of our good players.

That's how you view it, and since it's based on personal quotes from Cassano I won't and can't argue with it. I just think that Allegri didn't think much of him, and I totally get it if you won't agree with me.

Remember earlier in the summer Cassano was holding crunch talks with Allegri to seek clarification over his position in the team. Shortly after that he gained weight, looked unmotivated in friendlies, then pushed his way out of the club. I'm fairly confident that Allegri didn't make him feel important, and judging by his history of not depending on Cassano specifically and players of his similar type generally (like Dinho), I wouldn't dismiss that option too.

It could be both Allegri and Galliani. But maybe Cassano doesn't have a personal problem with Allegri so didn't lash out at him.

Allegri never had any time to make this guy feel important.

I'm sure the problem was with Galliani, it was openly discussed by both rabbit face and bald-ass.

Hi Costanza.

 

[KujaIX]

Meh. Allegri must have reassured. I don't believe that Allegri would have said "Lol fuck you, bro. You benched now..."

Cassano being unprofessional(surprise surprise) and gaining weight(almost as surprising as fat Ronaldo getting injured for us) is not Allegri's fault.

And anyway, I'd much rather believe Cassano's quotes than some possible reasoning you've drawn up. No offence of course.

 

[Fiero]

He did well for us because he's a good player. He forced himself out after we stood by him through heart attacks, strokes and a huge lack of fitness.

Despicable attitude and player. Can go and fall in a pothole for all I care.

You're looking at this from your point of view, as a Milan fan. But for Cassano it made perfect sense. He's a professional footballer, Inter offered him a better project + more importance, why would he turn it down?

He doesn't owe the club anything. We stood by him with his injuries? Big deal, that's our job. Real waited a year and a half for De la Red... this is simply the club's duty.

As far as I'm concerned, whenever Cassano stepped on the pitch for us he did well. That's all I care about because that's what he's paid to do. He chose to move on for the sake of his career and I understand and respect that.

And it's becoming clearer every game that he made the correct choice. Why blame him? He's supposed to think of himself first, not his employers or the fans. Plus he didn't disrespect any of the fans even when they insulted him, so as far as I'm concerned, Cassano is at no fault whatsoever.

 

[Fiero]

Meh. Allegri must have reassured. I don't believe that Allegri would have said "Lol fuck you, bro. You benched now..."

Allegri said he didn't gurantee him a starting spot. Cassano said he was 6th choice according to Allegri IIRC.

Cassano being unprofessional(surprise surprise) and gaining weight(almost as surprising as fat Ronaldo getting injured for us) is not Allegri's fault

And Robinho who reported to pre-season overweight and is having muscle issues due to lack of fitness isn't unprofessional? Mexes who missed almost an entire month at the start of the season because he returned from his holidays overweight and unfit isn't unprofessional? Pato who has been having muscle injuries for over two years now and has a history of partying + was involved with the president's daughter isn't unprofessional? And the 3 of them are our highest paid players so go figure.

Also Ronaldinho was unprofessional as fuck, still the club was patient with him for 2 and a half years + hired Leonardo to specifically caress his balls.

 

[KujaIX]

You're looking at this from your point of view, as a Milan fan. But for Cassano it made perfect sense. He's a professional footballer, Inter offered him a better project + more importance, why would he turn it down?

He doesn't owe the club anything. We stood by him with his injuries? Big deal, that's our job. Real waited a year and a half for De la Red... this is simply the club's duty.

As far as I'm concerned, whenever Cassano stepped on the pitch for us he did well. That's all I care about because that's what he's paid to do. He chose to move on for the sake of his career and I understand and respect that.

And it's becoming clearer every game that he made the correct choice. Why blame him? He's supposed to think of himself first, not his employers or the fans. Plus he didn't disrespect any of the fans even when they insulted him, so as far as I'm concerned, Cassano is at no fault whatsoever.

Madrid stood by De La Red.

If he recovered, was able to play again and then asked to join Barcelona, then they'd have been pissed.

It made sense to Cassano, but do you not see the absolute dickishness from him?

Milan save him from Sampdoria, where he had burnt his bridges again; win Serie A; stand by him through fitness issues and heart attack + stroke; he responds by asking to leave as soon as our project looks like petering out.

For him, it was a good decision. Well done. That's hardly the point.

He disrespected the club and every fan who supported him. He's a disgusting gremlin pig.

 

[KujaIX]

Allegri said he didn't gurantee him a starting spot. Cassano said he was 6th choice according to Allegri IIRC.



And Robinho who reported to pre-season overweight and is having muscle issues due to lack of fitness isn't unprofessional? Mexes who missed almost an entire month at the start of the season because he returned from his holidays overweight and unfit isn't unprofessional? Pato who has been having muscle injuries for over two years now and has a history of partying + was involved with the president's daughter isn't unprofessional? And the 3 of them are our highest paid players so go figure.

Also Ronaldinho was unprofessional as fuck, still the club was patient with him for 2 and a half years + hired Leonardo to specifically caress his balls.

Robinho having injuries due to lack of fitness isn't a fact. Him being overweight would be unprofessional, yes.

Mexes was unprofessional.

Pato being injured isn't unprofessional.

Cassano was unfit because he was fat. Pato was unfit because he got injured... there's a world of difference

If Pato became fine tomorrow and then asked to be sold to Inter, then I'd hate him too.

 

[Ashish]

He's a disgusting gremlin pig.

Excellent point of view and totally agree

OMG I am 75th in the pecking order even if milan sold 35 players in the summer

Buhhuuuuuuu Galliani saved my life but didnt gave me pay raise

fuck him .. fuck you flamini for not playing in derby

 

[Senatore_M84]

cassano acted like dinho but people are mad for offloading him

great riddance fuck this douche

agreed. Still didn't get fit....

but that's allegri's fault?

 

[Ashish]

agreed. Still didn't get fit....

but that's allegri's fault?

Nothing is allegris fault nothing is milans fault nothing is berlus fault .. fuck the fans .. I hope they play all the games in the closed stadium its not like we are getting shit from income and send me a copy of every single game

Fuck these fans ... dude there so many teams go through so much shit ... there are douche owners all around ... its amazing how life is not fair or fanatasy all the time

 

[Fiero]

It made sense to Cassano, but do you not see the absolute dickishness from him?

Milan save him from Sampdoria, where he had burnt his bridges again; win Serie A; stand by him through fitness issues and heart attack + stroke; he responds by asking to leave as soon as our project looks like petering out.

It's not like Milan didn't gain for him. That's the problem, you're not looking at both sides of the story. The ONLY reason Milan moved for him is that he was dead cheap, it was an unmissable opportunity for a broke club like us, we didn't do it to "save him".

For him, it was a good decision. Well done. That's hardly the point.

He disrespected the club and every fan who supported him. He's a disgusting gremlin pig.

How exactly? Players move clubs all the time. That's their job. Disrespecting the club would be not doing his job well enough or insulting the club and the fans, he did neither so he's good in my book.

Robinho having injuries due to lack of fitness isn't a fact. Him being overweight would be unprofessional, yes.

It is a fact. Muscle injuries happen when the muscle is overworked or the player isn't taking care of himself well enough. Robinho had two already this season, while he came to pre-season overweight. That's unprofessional.

Pato being injured isn't unprofessional.

Pato has a history of partying with Ronaldinho, it even caused his divorce. That's unprofessional. Pato stayed at the club last January purely through nepotism because he was involved with the president's daughter, that's unprofessional.

 

[Ramzee]

I hope Fiorentina, Roma, Lazio and even Inter all finish higher than Napoli. I'm actually pretty sure they'll crumble sooner or later; hopefully Lazio can keep up the consistency, Roma can outscore their opponents, and Fiorentina purchase a good CF in Jan.

Napoli play the worst most boring and uncreative football out of all the clubs fighting for CL. Defend with 9 bastards and pass to Cavani. Boring, overrated team. They'll struggle soon.

Why you are so anti-Napoli? Imo they play very direct and sexy for eye football. Well of course yesterday's match is not example tofollow, but they are always so direct. As soon as opponent crambles, makes mistake they are like little foxes and go for the goal. Unlike we have this useless possession football where we have tons of meaningless passes, but not actual ideas what to do with it. Napoli lets their prey think they are controlling the situation.

And it is not only Cavani and Hamsik. Inler and Maggio are as important in attacks as these two, but they are not the ending product of offense. Also Campagnaro and Cannavaro are better defenders' than any we have right now, though they won't keep up with the age for a long.

 

[sushanmilano]

36 year old totti shits on boateng at his peak. What a player. magic. I wish someone had 10% oh his skill in milan. Me jelly .

 

[crazy4milan]

Dudes. Cassano left because of him, not because anyone else, he put blame on everyone else (this case Galliani), like he has done in every single club he's been to, but in reality, that's him, he started crying and making everything to get sold...that's Cassano. The mere fact that he talks shit about a club that took care of him during his heart situation shows that the decision was made by him, he's just trying to clean his hands.

 

[Fiero]

agreed. Still didn't get fit....

but that's allegri's fault?

Not Allegri's fault, but Robinho and Mexes haven't been fit since pre-season either yet they didn't get offloaded even though they're on the highest salary.

 

[Sven]

Allegri said he didn't gurantee him a starting spot. Cassano said he was 6th choice according to Allegri IIRC.

I agree with Allegri here.

There must be no such thing as guaranteed place. Players have to earn playing time in the field and training. Even if one want to be cynic about it, is Cassano that much better than Robinho or El Shaarawy? He's no Ibra. He doesn't deserve guaranteed start.

Besides, giving to Cassano - someone with a historic of unprofessional behavior and health concerns - assurance of "first place football" is like giving him permission to shit all over the house. In fact, that request is already something very unprofessional in first place.

 

[Senatore_M84]

Dudes. Cassano left because of him, not because anyone else, he put blame on everyone else (this case Galliani), like he has done in every single club he's been to, but in reality, that's him, he started crying and making everything to get sold...that's Cassano. The mere fact that he talks shit about a club that took care of him during his heart situation shows that the decision was made by him, he's just trying to clean his hands.

he'll never grow up. it's all funny when it's at another club. But when he does it to you, you'll be pissed.

I figured after a heart attack, he'd grow up a little but nah

 

[Ashish]

Dudes. Cassano left because of him, not because anyone else, he put blame on everyone else (this case Galliani), like he has done in every single club he's been to, but in reality, that's him, he started crying and making everything to get sold...that's Cassano. The mere fact that he talks shit about a club that took care of him during his heart situation shows that the decision was made by him, he's just trying to clean his hands.

Thank you but cassano is italian .. pirlo does it no problemo
cassano does it no problem
if some other player does it .. kill him murder him

fuck cassano

 

[Fiero]

Why you are so anti-Napoli? Imo they play very direct and sexy for eye football. Well of course yesterday's match is not example tofollow, but they are always so direct. As soon as opponent crambles, makes mistake they are like little foxes and go for the goal. Unlike we have this useless possession football where we have tons of meaningless passes, but not actual ideas what to do with it. Napoli lets their prey think they are controlling the situation.

And it is not only Cavani and Hamsik. Inler and Maggio are as important in attacks as these two, but they are not the ending product of offense. Also Campagnaro and Cannavaro are better defenders' than any we have right now, though they won't keep up with the age for a long.

I don't know man, firstly I think they're scum, secondly I just think they're so uninspiring. I mean Fiorentina and Roma play beautiful football, Lazio are solid, really organized, and with fantastic individuals upfront. So far Napoli seem to me the same Napoli of Mazzari's era: defend with tough bastards and counter with Cavani. So uninspiring. I'm just more impressed by all the projects of the other clubs.

The mere fact that he talks shit about a club that took care of him during his heart situation shows that the decision was made by him, he's just trying to clean his hands.

When did he talk shit about Milan?

 

[KujaIX]

It's not like Milan didn't gain for him. That's the problem, you're not looking at both sides of the story. The ONLY reason Milan moved for him is that he was dead cheap, it was an unmissable opportunity for a broke club like us, we didn't do it to "save him".

For him, it was a good decision. Well done. That's hardly the point.

We didn't do it to save him, but we did save him by doing it. The thought isn't the important thing here, it's what actually happened.

How exactly? Players move clubs all the time. That's their job. Disrespecting the club would be not doing his job well enough or insulting the club and the fans, he did neither so he's good in my book.

Disrespecting the club would be demanding a transfer away when the club has stood by him through life-threatening injuries. It'd be like Muamba demanding a move away this winter... it would hurt less if he demanded a move in a few season's time... he demanded a move the next transfer window... how is that not disrespectful?

It is a fact. Muscle injuries happen when the muscle is overworked or the player isn't taking care of himself well enough. Robinho had two already this season, while he came to pre-season overweight. That's unprofessional.



Pato has a history of partying with Ronaldinho, it even caused his divorce. That's unprofessional. Pato stayed at the club last January purely through nepotism because he was involved with the president's daughter, that's unprofessional.

Yes. Robinho being overweight was unprofessional. You conjecturing over his injuries is not.

I didn't say anything about that. I said him being injured does not make him unprofessional.

 

[Fiero]

I agree with Allegri here.

There must be no such thing as guaranteed place. Players have to earn playing time in the field and training. Even if one want to be cynic about it, is Cassano that much better than Robinho or El Shaarawy? He's no Ibra. He doesn't deserve guaranteed start.

Besides, giving to Cassano - someone with a historic of unprofessional behavior and health concerns - assurance of "first place football" is like giving him permission to shit all over the house. In fact, that request is already something very unprofessional in first place.

As I said Cassano needs special treatment. Ronaldinho was the same and Leonardo caressed his balls because Milan had no one else and Ronnie saved our Serie A season. It's not like Milan had an abundance of quality players. To me the best option with this squad would have been to make Cassano focal point. But that's just me.

Instead Allegri put his trust on guys like Robinho who can't even get fit when it's mid-October.

 

[Senatore_M84]

As I said Cassano needs special treatment. Ronaldinho was the same and Leonardo caressed his balls because Milan had no one else and Ronnie saved our Serie A season. It's not like Milan had an abundance of quality players. To me the best option with this squad would have been to make Cassano focal point. But that's just me.

Instead Allegri put his trust on guys like Robinho who can't even get fit when it's mid-October.

hindsight much?

Robinho was our bestp layer in preseason. Scoring and assisting regularly.

Freak injuries happen. He has no history if major injuries

 

[crazy4milan]

When did he talk shit about Milan?

True, it wasn't at Milan. It was at Galliani, the main representative of the club that took care of him in that time and a man that he praised just 365 days earlier and then a small backlash against Allegri (ridiculous btw, cause Allegri played him a lot in the 2nd half of 2011-2012, he was a starter till the heart situation in 2011-2012, and eventhough he had EVERY single right to try to play him the least-I assume its exciting for a coach to try to integrate a player with a heart condition in the most crucial part of the season-he played much more than he could've imagined after the stroke). Which still shows it's his way to clean off his hands.

He wanted to leave simply cause he didn't want to stay after Milan sold Zlatan and Thiago, simply put. Not because of lack of playing time or anything else. Milan's project no longer meant anything exciting to him.

Edit: Actually the main fact that first he said that the problem at Milan weren't the players, nor the coach, but someone higher up...and then he goes and talks about Allegri wanting him as 6th or 7th choice, shows how made up his argument is.

 

[Eccolo]

So did Ibra talk shit about Milan when he insulted Sacchi, the man who represents of Milans finesest eras? Cassano behaved like a fucking idiot and Im glad his gone, but as far as Im concered he never talked shit about the club

 

[Fiero]

hindsight much?

Robinho was our bestp layer in preseason. Scoring and assisting regularly.

Freak injuries happen. He has no history if major injuries

Who cares about pre-season?

They're not freak injuries. He returned from his holidays overweight and since then had two muscle injuries, so obviously it's due to lack of fitness.

True, it wasn't at Milan. It was at Galliani, the main representative of the club that took care of him in that time and a man that he praised just 365 days earlier and then a small backlash against Allegri (ridiculous btw, cause Allegri played him a lot in the 2nd half of 2011-2012, he was a starter till the heart situation in 2011-2012, and eventhough he had EVERY single right to try to play him the least-I assume its exciting for a coach to try to integrate a player with a heart condition in the most crucial part of the season-he played much more than he could've imagined after the stroke). Which still shows it's his way to clean off his hands.

We don't know what happened behind closed doors between him and Galliani and that's why I'm saying we shouldn't judge. Galliani isn't known to be the most truthful guy around, no? He could have easily told him he'll extend his contract after the injury and then didn't. Or he couldn't, we simply don't know.

Last May Galliani told Ibra he won't be sold and we know how that ended.

He wanted to leave simply cause he didn't want to stay after Milan sold Zlatan and Thiago, simply put. Not because of lack of playing time or anything else. Milan's project no longer meant anything exciting to him.

And who can blame him? He's right to do what's best for his career. At Inter they have a better project and he's an important part of it. At Milan we have a non-project and he wasn't an important part of it.

 

[Ashish]

Thats why huntelaar the best player ever .. he never said shit about milan..to all the doubters who were asking why hunty is in my sig ..
1. he represents ductch trio
2. greate bicycle rider ever
3. fuck off its my sig

 

[crazy4milan]

So did Ibra talk shit about Milan when he insulted Sacchi, the man who represents of Milans finesest eras? Cassano behaved like a fucking idiot and Im glad his gone, but as far as Im concered he never talked shit about the club

Fairly different. a) Because Sacchi isn't representing Milan, he's independent commentator in a TV show. It was just a stupid argument between two big egos. b) because Zlatan didn't talk shit about someone that offered him all the best care i the world and every commodity for him to recover perfectly from a heart threatening situation.

 

[Eccolo]

But when Cassano addressed Galliani it was towards him as a person, not what he was representing. They are two diffrent matters. Galliani no matter what people may think isnt a part of Milan in that sense. Anyways silly discussion, Cassano acted in a way that I get why people hate him. He deserves every bit of stick he gets, expect people who wishes his heart will fail again. Thats drawing the line